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Hi All,
a bit of a research project here. I could do with confirming the
findings made by a customer (a real Engineer, oily hands and all
that) regarding Discovery I front ABS.

As I'm sure many of you are aware, some Discovery I's and Range Rover
Classic's suffer from a problem with the fron ABS light always
or intermittently coming on. The aformentioned customer found that,
after fittng all new parts, after about 18 months the copper sensor
bush had "lifted", putting the sensor out of kilter. Pushing it back
in cured the ABS light for a coupe of months, but then it did it again.
We could find no obvious reason for the bush lifting, and assumed it
was down to rotational forces or similar - but we weren't convinced.

Anyhow, he has now had the whole swivel stipped down and it was found
that the bearing in the end of the stub axle was not at it's best.
Pushing things around it was found that this bearing having play in
it allowed the CV joint (and hence the ABS ring) to oscillate - not
a lot, but enough for it the nudge the sensor up at the top, and
quite likely down far enough for the sensor to miss-read. This, it
seems, could result when going over a bump, setting the CV joint
"oscillating" enough to trigger sufficient faults for the ABS light
to be put on.

The question is - is this right? So, if anyone here is working
on a vehicle with iffy ABS sensors and you have the swivel stripped
down - can you have a look at the bearing and see if it has play in
it?

Should we be right on this, it could save a lot of people a
lot of grief (and dosh).

Cheers
Richard


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"beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hi All,
> a bit of a research project here. I could do with confirming the
> findings made by a customer (a real Engineer, oily hands and all
> that) regarding Discovery I front ABS.
>
> As I'm sure many of you are aware, some Discovery I's and Range Rover
> Classic's suffer from a problem with the fron ABS light always
> or intermittently coming on. The aformentioned customer found that,
> after fittng all new parts, after about 18 months the copper sensor
> bush had "lifted", putting the sensor out of kilter. Pushing it back
> in cured the ABS light for a coupe of months, but then it did it again.
> We could find no obvious reason for the bush lifting, and assumed it
> was down to rotational forces or similar - but we weren't convinced.
>
> Anyhow, he has now had the whole swivel stipped down and it was found
> that the bearing in the end of the stub axle was not at it's best.
> Pushing things around it was found that this bearing having play in
> it allowed the CV joint (and hence the ABS ring) to oscillate - not
> a lot, but enough for it the nudge the sensor up at the top, and
> quite likely down far enough for the sensor to miss-read. This, it
> seems, could result when going over a bump, setting the CV joint
> "oscillating" enough to trigger sufficient faults for the ABS light
> to be put on.
>
> The question is - is this right? So, if anyone here is working
> on a vehicle with iffy ABS sensors and you have the swivel stripped
> down - can you have a look at the bearing and see if it has play in
> it?
>
> Should we be right on this, it could save a lot of people a
> lot of grief (and dosh).
>
> Cheers
> Richard


I thought that was a well-known and widely understood cause of random
indications??
Badger.


 
>I thought that was a well-known and widely understood cause of random
>indications??
>Badger.



Yes I agree
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In message <[email protected]>
Marc Draper <[email protected]> wrote:

> >I thought that was a well-known and widely understood cause of random
> >indications??
> >Badger.

>
>
> Yes I agree


So if you are confirming that that is the case then that's good.
I'm trying to extract fact from folklore before putting stuff on
the site - and let's face it, most of the LR "facts" come from
the Saloon Bar Experts and fall into the category of folklore.

Richard
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beamendsltd <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:
> In message <[email protected]>
> Marc Draper <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> I thought that was a well-known and widely understood cause of
>>> random indications??
>>> Badger.

>>
>>
>> Yes I agree

>
> So if you are confirming that that is the case then that's good.
> I'm trying to extract fact from folklore before putting stuff on
> the site - and let's face it, most of the LR "facts" come from
> the Saloon Bar Experts and fall into the category of folklore.
>
> Richard


I'm all for anything that saves money! Good work Richard, I've only just
seen my first ABS Sensor ring ever last week... was a little surprise in a
wossat kind of way. I din't know and it's likely to affect me so glad you
raised it.

Lee D


 
> and let's face it, most of the LR "facts" come from
>the Saloon Bar Experts and fall into the category of folklore.




Could not agree more.
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"beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:7e22baff4d%[email protected]...
> In message <[email protected]>
> Marc Draper <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >I thought that was a well-known and widely understood cause of random
>> >indications??
>> >Badger.

>>
>>
>> Yes I agree

>
> So if you are confirming that that is the case then that's good.
> I'm trying to extract fact from folklore before putting stuff on
> the site - and let's face it, most of the LR "facts" come from
> the Saloon Bar Experts and fall into the category of folklore.
>
> Richard


Richard, forgot to mention also, a lot of people don't seem to bother
correctly shimming the driveshaft end where it pokes through the drive
flange, this extra play if removed can help to reduce the rate of wear (by
controlling movement of the c.v. joint whilst cornering loadings are applied
to it) of the axle bush you mention.
Badger.


 
In message <[email protected]>
"Badger" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:7e22baff4d%[email protected]...
> > In message <[email protected]>
> > Marc Draper <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> >I thought that was a well-known and widely understood cause of random
> >> >indications??
> >> >Badger.
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes I agree

> >
> > So if you are confirming that that is the case then that's good.
> > I'm trying to extract fact from folklore before putting stuff on
> > the site - and let's face it, most of the LR "facts" come from
> > the Saloon Bar Experts and fall into the category of folklore.
> >
> > Richard

>
> Richard, forgot to mention also, a lot of people don't seem to bother
> correctly shimming the driveshaft end where it pokes through the drive
> flange, this extra play if removed can help to reduce the rate of wear (by
> controlling movement of the c.v. joint whilst cornering loadings are applied
> to it) of the axle bush you mention.
> Badger.
>
>

Cheers, I'll add that to the list of "things that should be done because,
belive me, if LR could get away with not doing it they would's".

Richard
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On or around Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:25:20 +0000 (UTC), "Badger"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:


'ello, not seen you for a while.

how's the monster trailer doing?
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"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:25:20 +0000 (UTC), "Badger"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
> 'ello, not seen you for a while.
>
> how's the monster trailer doing?


Fine matey, not really used it much recently, been too busy in the workshop!
Still planning on respraying it though, sometime.....
Badger.


 
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