Disco TD5 Economy

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Good grief ! Talk about technology going backwards. The TD5 is load of
cobblers if you ask me, what a huge price to pay for a little extra on
road cruising speed and a little less noise. The old TDi's are loads
better at everything else and more repairable and cost effective. My old
H reg Disco 200 TDi manual is still going like a Trojan, still pulls
four tons and without a trailer, on mostly short runs, averages between
29mpg and 30mpg. Always driven nicely of course. Exactly the same
performance as our pervious J reg 200 TDi manual Range Rover Vogue. What
a brilliant motor that was until an idiot slammed in to it and wrote it
off.

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John Lubran
 
On or around Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:19:16 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>Disco 2 ES Td5 auto, 2001, 80k miles:
>
>22 mpg solo, 19.7 towing, 21.4 overall, over 10k miles. Similar driving
>style. Matches you pretty well.


ferk that, I'd have a V8. The 3.5 I used to have did about 18, if you
weren't silly. Admittedly, 'twas a manual one.
>
>For comparison, my D2 manual averaged 28.


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On or around Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:05:36 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>This creates a real dilema when we eventually change our Disco 300 shape V8.
>


no problem. D3 V8... or a 4.0 D2...

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"Andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I know this is really difficult to get a definitive view on this but can
>anyone who drives a Discovery 2 TD5 Auto let me know what sort of MPG they
>are getting? I am only averaging 20-21 mpg from mine with mixed driving, I
>am not heavy with the right foot nor am I especially light, just average. I
>have had an ECU tune in the hope of improving things but to no avail. I
>have a winch and mount fitted which will affect it a bit I suppose due to
>the added weight and am about to fit some rocksliders which way about 70kg
>each so am worried that it is going to get even worse. Is this mpg normal?
>
> Andy


Lat year when I did a 2,000 mile touring trip around Scotland, I kept
accurate records of fuel used and came out with an average of 27 mpg. My car
is an 04 TD5 auto. Around town my average drops to about 24 mpg.
I would have thought 20-21 mpg a little heavy, are you remembering to take
the handbrake off?
:) Martin


 
My wife has a 99 Td5 auto and it returns on average round town 21mpg,while
towing my caravan it drops to 20mpg at a steady 70mph.Now my v8 4.0 D11
returns 13mpg towing at a steady 70mph but being on gas makes it the better
option except its range is 150 miles which becomes a pain on long hauls.
Your D11 seems to be about right unlucky for you and my wife!


 
Lee_D wrote:

|| Richard Brookman <[email protected]> uttered
|| summat worrerz funny about:
||| Disco 2 ES Td5 auto, 2001, 80k miles:
|||
||| 22 mpg solo, 19.7 towing, 21.4 overall, over 10k miles. Similar
||| driving style. Matches you pretty well.
|||
||| I wouldn't worry - sounds about right to me. People do report quite
||| big variations on the Td5, though.
|||
||| For comparison, my D2 manual averaged 28.
||
|| I was going to suggest checking tyre pressures and perhaps upping
|| them but in Richards case it's just an issue of Cheese cake
||
|| :)
||
|| Lee D

Cheese? Cake? Cheese - and cake? Cheesecake? No thank you.

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Steve wrote:

|| "Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote
|| in message news:[email protected]...
||| Steve wrote:
|||
||||| Also get on level ground and just
||||| start the thing just moving and then dip the clutch. It should
||||| gently trundle to an imperceptible stop. It's hard to describe,
||||| but
|||
||| It's an auto ...
|||
||
|| Something which I knew before I wrote it, which I knew as I wrote it
|| and which I knew as I pressed the send button. The "****, it's an
|| auto" light had somehow become disconnected.
||
|| Steve

That's OK. I'm making a "****, it takes diesel" sticker for mine.

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Dave Liquorice wrote:

|| On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:19:16 +0100, Richard Brookman wrote:
||
||| Disco 2 ES Td5 auto, 2001, 80k miles:
|||
||| 22 mpg solo, 19.7 towing, 21.4 overall, over 10k miles. Similar
||| driving style. Matches you pretty well.
|||
||| I wouldn't worry - sounds about right to me. People do report quite
||| big variations on the Td5, though.
|||
||| For comparison, my D2 manual averaged 28.
||
|| I am surprised that the autobox consumes so much power. With figures
|| like that I'm very glad I didn't buy the first Disco II I was
|| offered as that was an auto.
||
|| --
|| Cheers
|| [email protected] Dave.
|| pam is missing e-mail

I'm a bit displeased about that too. It seems that modern autoboxes in
<holds nose> cars have very little effect on fuel consumption, whereas autos
in Land Rovers take about 6 mpg out of the mix. Shame that we have to have
an auto, or it'd be manual every time.

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[email protected] wrote:

|| Good grief ! Talk about technology going backwards. The TD5 is load
|| of cobblers if you ask me, what a huge price to pay for a little
|| extra on road cruising speed and a little less noise. The old TDi's
|| are loads better at everything else and more repairable and cost
|| effective.

Having towed the same caravan with the same load over similar routes through
France in successive years with a 300Tdi and Td5 (both Discos) I couldn't
disagree more. The Td5 is light years ahead of the Tdi.

(Both autos, so we may be talking apples and oranges.)

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In message <[email protected]>, Richard Brookman
<[email protected]> writes
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>|| Good grief ! Talk about technology going backwards. The TD5 is load
>|| of cobblers if you ask me, what a huge price to pay for a little
>|| extra on road cruising speed and a little less noise. The old TDi's
>|| are loads better at everything else and more repairable and cost
>|| effective.
>
>Having towed the same caravan with the same load over similar routes through
>France in successive years with a 300Tdi and Td5 (both Discos) I couldn't
>disagree more. The Td5 is light years ahead of the Tdi.
>
>(Both autos, so we may be talking apples and oranges.)
>



Well I'm not arguing that the TD5 is more powerful, just that it's less
rugged, particularly if you want your Land Rover to have the sort of
rugged usability that one might require far from civilisation. Granted
that's not what most Land Rovers these days are required to do but it's
the very foundation of Land Rover integrity that should you want it to
be a rugged trans Africa car it's still good for it. In Ghana for
example, where despite the prevalence of Japanese 4x4's in the
commercial market, the government there has calculated that Land Rovers
are ultimately more durable and cost effective, but only in TDi mode.
Land Rover have had to keep supplies of 300TDi's for these export
customers. I wonder if the new V6 will be more acceptable?
--
john
 
[email protected] wrote:

|| In message <[email protected]>, Richard Brookman
|| <[email protected]> writes
||| [email protected] wrote:
|||
||||| Good grief ! Talk about technology going backwards. The TD5 is
||||| load of cobblers if you ask me, what a huge price to pay for a
||||| little extra on road cruising speed and a little less noise. The
||||| old TDi's are loads better at everything else and more repairable
||||| and cost effective.
|||
||| Having towed the same caravan with the same load over similar
||| routes through France in successive years with a 300Tdi and Td5
||| (both Discos) I couldn't disagree more. The Td5 is light years
||| ahead of the Tdi.
|||
||| (Both autos, so we may be talking apples and oranges.)
|||
||
||
|| Well I'm not arguing that the TD5 is more powerful, just that it's
|| less rugged,

Plenty about now with star-trek mileages on, and no long-term issues have
emerged (apart from the oil pump thing that was fixed early on), so I would
say they are as rugged as most. Certainly there are no inherent weaknesses
like the 300Tdi cambelt issue. Most people I have talked to have reported
them trouble-free, as the two I have owned have been.

|| particularly if you want your Land Rover to have the
|| sort of rugged usability that one might require far from
|| civilisation.

Ah, now you're talking about bush-fixability, and I would agree. Thing is,
if an engine costs more to put right (as in dealer involvement) but goes
wrong less, then it works out about even, unless you are miles from
civilisation. For me, personally, that isn't an issue, as I don't intend
going to darkest Africa in my Disco any time soon. If I were, I would be
looking for a 200Tdi or a V8.

|| Granted that's not what most Land Rovers these days
|| are required to do but it's the very foundation of Land Rover
|| integrity that should you want it to be a rugged trans Africa car
|| it's still good for it.

Agreed. It's why we love 'em. And why I laughed my testicles off when I
read Vince Cobley praising the D3 in LRO as the best Land Rover ever, when
in the same article he admitted that it had failed big time in Morocco and
had to be taken back to Solihull on a low-loader. That's no problem,
apparently.

|| <snip> I wonder if the new V6 will be more acceptable? --
|| john

Ah, now there's the question. My guess is that it will make the Td5 look
like a steam engine. In 20 years, people will be banging on about them good
old reliable Td5s, don't make 'em like that any more, just pop it on the
laptop and it's good as new. I mean, who can afford one of them Cray
supercomputers that the new ones need? This'll be the end of Land Rover,
mark my words ...

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"Richard Brookman"

> I'm a bit displeased about that too. It seems that modern autoboxes in
> <holds nose> cars have very little effect on fuel consumption, whereas
> autos in Land Rovers take about 6 mpg out of the mix. Shame that we have
> to have an auto, or it'd be manual every time.
>


Oddly my Range Rover TD6 consistently averages 27mpg with longer runs, even
fast runs, averaging 30mpg or better. I have tested the computed mpg and it
is accurate. The car is mildly chipped and improved by 3mpg when this was
done but with no really impressive lift in power output.
I can't compare with a manual 'box because the latest RR has never been
available with manual but I would be surprised if a manual version would
improve on those figures much.
This compares with my Toyota Land Cruiser 4.2 which achieves about 23 with a
best of not much more.

Huw


 
On or around Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:53:37 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Steve wrote:
>
>|| "Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote
>|| in message news:[email protected]...
>||| Steve wrote:
>|||
>||||| Also get on level ground and just
>||||| start the thing just moving and then dip the clutch. It should
>||||| gently trundle to an imperceptible stop. It's hard to describe,
>||||| but
>|||
>||| It's an auto ...
>|||
>||
>|| Something which I knew before I wrote it, which I knew as I wrote it
>|| and which I knew as I pressed the send button. The "****, it's an
>|| auto" light had somehow become disconnected.
>||
>|| Steve
>
>That's OK. I'm making a "****, it takes diesel" sticker for mine.


You haven't...
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Austin Shackles wrote:

|| On or around Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:53:37 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
|| <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
||
||| Steve wrote:
|||
||||| "Richard Brookman" <[email protected]>
||||| wrote in message news:[email protected]...
|||||| Steve wrote:
||||||
|||||||| Also get on level ground and just
|||||||| start the thing just moving and then dip the clutch. It should
|||||||| gently trundle to an imperceptible stop. It's hard to
|||||||| describe, but
||||||
|||||| It's an auto ...
||||||
|||||
||||| Something which I knew before I wrote it, which I knew as I wrote
||||| it and which I knew as I pressed the send button. The "****,
||||| it's an auto" light had somehow become disconnected.
|||||
||||| Steve
|||
||| That's OK. I'm making a "****, it takes diesel" sticker for mine.
||
|| You haven't...

I did - back in June. <whisper> - 7k miles since then and it seems OK -
<whisper>

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