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Mark Solesbury

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Hello,

Ive just bagged myself a 90 90!

Its a 1990, 90 with a 200tdi. Just what i wanted. Anyhow, I want a Steering
Guard, and a Snorkel for it.

Can anyone reccomend any good suppliers, or ones to avoid. I quite like the
idea of recovery eyes built in to the guard.

Ill get some pics soon.


Mark.
87 RR V8 for sale
90 200tdi 90 (Yay for me)


 
Mark Solesbury muttered summat about:

> Hello,
>
> Ive just bagged myself a 90 90!
>
> Its a 1990, 90 with a 200tdi. Just what i wanted. Anyhow, I want a
> Steering Guard, and a Snorkel for it.
>
> Can anyone reccomend any good suppliers, or ones to avoid. I quite
> like the idea of recovery eyes built in to the guard.
>
> Ill get some pics soon.
>
>
> Mark.
> 87 RR V8 for sale
> 90 200tdi 90 (Yay for me)

Don't know about suppliers, but the 'safari snorkel' is the mutts nuts IMO.
Fitted one to our 90 after using them in Namibia. Easy to fit and very
durable, look great too IMO.

As far as steering guards, the only recommendation I would gice is that I
wouldn't get one thats too much like a piece of plate, the more grid like
with larger holes the better. It needs to be enough to protect what it needs
to but no more, cos they are little beauties for holding mud and other
abbraisives right next to bits you don't want worn, and can be a pig to
clean out if they don't have sufficient holes to get the pressure washer in
and the crud out.

Hope that might help.

Another mod I can highly recommend is a full length intercooler, it
transforms the engine and isn't too pricey. I would also recommend binning
the cat and the intermediate box (if you have one). The extra power and
torque you get is quite amazing.

Graham

--
Graham

101 GS
101 Rad Bod


 
"Mark Solesbury" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello,
>
> Ive just bagged myself a 90 90!
>
> Its a 1990, 90 with a 200tdi. Just what i wanted. Anyhow, I want a
> Steering
> Guard, and a Snorkel for it.
>
> Can anyone reccomend any good suppliers, or ones to avoid. I quite like
> the
> idea of recovery eyes built in to the guard.
>
> Ill get some pics soon.
>
>
> Mark.
> 87 RR V8 for sale
> 90 200tdi 90 (Yay for me)
>
>
Congrats!
I also have a 1990 ninety, hence my user name.
Mines a 2.5 n/a though.
Steering gaurd on mine is from 'Rebel 4x4' It is the plain one with no
writing and no holes in. I find this to be best when trialling in deep,
stony or rocky mud, as the one with holes in tend to get caught-up (eg, like
dragging a cheese grater over some cheddar compare to a smooth plate). I
have been told I am much easier to pull out of the mud than most when I get
stuck!

As for snorkels, I have made my own a few times. I subject the vehicle to
quite a lot of off-road abuse. Factory made snorkels tend to get damaged and
cost a lot to replace every time I go off-road.

I would definitely recommend at least a front diff guard. Mines thr
wrap-around type from QT off-road. Did have the 'bowl type' fitted
originally that fits over the diff pan itself, but I still managed to crack
the edge of the diff pan! QT one helps to slide over stuff as well and has
the built-in track rod protection bit.

If your going to play in mud and rocks, I can also recommend 'Grizzly Claw'
tyres from Bronco 4x4. They work fantastically, don't cost the earth and
look quite mean too! 235/85 R16 will fit with no mods, but you will have to
adjust your steering lock stops, unless you buy 30mm spacers (Bronco also
supply these, I got them too!)

Good Luck, Stew

--
1990 Ninety 2.5 n/a D (Jasmine) - the off-road toy
Ex- Freelander Td4 5dr owner - the worst vehicle I have ever had!!!
New Jeep Cherokee Ltd 2.8CRD Auto - freelander replacement.


 
On or around Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:26:32 -0000, "Graham G" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Another mod I can highly recommend is a full length intercooler, it
>transforms the engine and isn't too pricey. I would also recommend binning
>the cat and the intermediate box (if you have one). The extra power and
>torque you get is quite amazing.

Cat on a 1990 diesel? I suppose it's possible.

wonder if there's one on the disco, perhaps that's why the minibus outdrags
it up to about 50...

book says all diesels have it. Bah. right, out with the angle grinder than
and some spare recycled exhaust pipe.

I've no doubt the thing does sod-all of any worth and is probably shagged
and costs an arm and a leg to replace.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"There is plenty of time to win this game, and to thrash the Spaniards
too" Sir Francis Drake (1540? - 1596) Attr. saying when the Armarda was
sighted, 20th July 1588
 
> >
> Another mod I can highly recommend is a full length intercooler, it
> transforms the engine and isn't too pricey. I would also recommend binning
> the cat and the intermediate box (if you have one). The extra power and
> torque you get is quite amazing.
>


Mindreader.

It has a full length intercooler, that sits infront of the rad. Binning the
Cat sounds drastic! Is it still MOT passable?

Mark.

90 90


 
Mark Solesbury muttered summat about:

>> Another mod I can highly recommend is a full length intercooler, it
>> transforms the engine and isn't too pricey. I would also recommend
>> binning the cat and the intermediate box (if you have one). The
>> extra power and torque you get is quite amazing.
>>
>
>
> Mindreader.
>
> It has a full length intercooler, that sits infront of the rad.
> Binning the Cat sounds drastic! Is it still MOT passable?
>
> Mark.
>
> 90 90

No legal requirement for it on diesels in this country. Did it on ours and
its gone through happily enough. Its all about reducing back pressure. The
more you can reduce it the better the engine will perform (ECU allowing on
new ones). The next stage for us is to bin the back box. Will have a
straight through pipe, will be under noise regs and will not increase
emissions anymore. If you want a better argument for binning the cat, find
out the cost to replace it, cos having a broken one is a failure, versus the
cost of a convertion pipe from say scorpion (although is easy to make own by
cutting ends off cat and welding pipe in between). You wouldn't believe the
performance difference it makes. The black smoke when you take off is a bit
disconcerting (cat gets rid of a lot of it), but it is legal. You would be
amazed how much smoke you can chuck out before it worries the emissions.

--
Graham

101 GS
101 Rad Bod


 
On or around Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:19:08 -0000, "Graham G" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>
>No legal requirement for it on diesels in this country. Did it on ours and
>its gone through happily enough. Its all about reducing back pressure. The
>more you can reduce it the better the engine will perform (ECU allowing on
>new ones). The next stage for us is to bin the back box. Will have a
>straight through pipe, will be under noise regs and will not increase
>emissions anymore.

The back box fell of the disco 300 TDi here and all I did was attach a bit
of pipe to make a new tailpipe. no audible difference... Mind, it's not a
restrictive box, I don't think.

>If you want a better argument for binning the cat, find
>out the cost to replace it, cos having a broken one is a failure, versus the
>cost of a convertion pipe from say scorpion (although is easy to make own by
>cutting ends off cat and welding pipe in between). You wouldn't believe the
>performance difference it makes. The black smoke when you take off is a bit
>disconcerting (cat gets rid of a lot of it), but it is legal. You would be
>amazed how much smoke you can chuck out before it worries the emissions.

yeah. see plenty like it on the road - I prefer to aim for "only smokes a
little bit under full load" meself, I reckon it's a bit antisocial to belch
black smoke out all the time.

But next time it's a nice day I'll have a look at binning the cat on the
disco - I bet it's well clogged - the flexi thing on the front pipe doesn't
look all that clever either, so maybe a different, cat-free, front pipe is
in order.

coo:

http://www.exhaustshack.co.uk/

has online version of the bosal exhaust catalogue.

The pictures for the 200-type engine (I assume - up to chassis number
MA80000-odd) seem to show a non-cat system but the front pipe looks
different, so I assume it won't fit.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Brevis esse laboro, Obscurus fio" (it is when I struggle to be
brief that I become obscure) Horace (65 - 8 BC) Ars Poetica, 25
 
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:51:37 +0000, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On or around Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:19:08 -0000, "Graham G" <[email protected]>
>enlightened us thusly:
>
>>
>>No legal requirement for it on diesels in this country. Did it on ours and
>>its gone through happily enough. Its all about reducing back pressure. The
>>more you can reduce it the better the engine will perform (ECU allowing on
>>new ones). The next stage for us is to bin the back box. Will have a
>>straight through pipe, will be under noise regs and will not increase
>>emissions anymore.
>
>The back box fell of the disco 300 TDi here and all I did was attach a bit
>of pipe to make a new tailpipe. no audible difference... Mind, it's not a
>restrictive box, I don't think.

I thought that with turbo engines having the turbo there does most of
the exhaust noise damping and the exhaust/silencers dont do a lot?
 
Tom Woods muttered summat about:

> On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:51:37 +0000, Austin Shackles
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On or around Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:19:08 -0000, "Graham G"
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>
>>> No legal requirement for it on diesels in this country. Did it on
>>> ours and its gone through happily enough. Its all about reducing
>>> back pressure. The more you can reduce it the better the engine
>>> will perform (ECU allowing on new ones). The next stage for us is
>>> to bin the back box. Will have a straight through pipe, will be
>>> under noise regs and will not increase emissions anymore.
>>
>> The back box fell of the disco 300 TDi here and all I did was attach
>> a bit of pipe to make a new tailpipe. no audible difference...
>> Mind, it's not a restrictive box, I don't think.
>
> I thought that with turbo engines having the turbo there does most of
> the exhaust noise damping and the exhaust/silencers dont do a lot?

Thats about the size of it, hence getting rid of them.

--
Graham

101 GS
101 Rad Bod


 
Austin Shackles muttered summat about:

> On or around Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:19:08 -0000, "Graham G"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>
>> No legal requirement for it on diesels in this country. Did it on
>> ours and its gone through happily enough. Its all about reducing
>> back pressure. The more you can reduce it the better the engine will
>> perform (ECU allowing on new ones). The next stage for us is to bin
>> the back box. Will have a straight through pipe, will be under noise
>> regs and will not increase emissions anymore.
>
> The back box fell of the disco 300 TDi here and all I did was attach
> a bit of pipe to make a new tailpipe. no audible difference... Mind,
> it's not a restrictive box, I don't think.
>
>> If you want a better argument for binning the cat, find
>> out the cost to replace it, cos having a broken one is a failure,
>> versus the cost of a convertion pipe from say scorpion (although is
>> easy to make own by cutting ends off cat and welding pipe in
>> between). You wouldn't believe the performance difference it makes.
>> The black smoke when you take off is a bit disconcerting (cat gets
>> rid of a lot of it), but it is legal. You would be amazed how much
>> smoke you can chuck out before it worries the emissions.
>
> yeah. see plenty like it on the road - I prefer to aim for "only
> smokes a little bit under full load" meself, I reckon it's a bit
> antisocial to belch black smoke out all the time.
>
> But next time it's a nice day I'll have a look at binning the cat on
> the disco - I bet it's well clogged - the flexi thing on the front
> pipe doesn't look all that clever either, so maybe a different,
> cat-free, front pipe is in order.
>
> coo:
>
> http://www.exhaustshack.co.uk/
>
> has online version of the bosal exhaust catalogue.
>
> The pictures for the 200-type engine (I assume - up to chassis number
> MA80000-odd) seem to show a non-cat system but the front pipe looks
> different, so I assume it won't fit.

They don't even list the system that was in our 90!

--
Graham

101 GS
101 Rad Bod


 
In message <[email protected]>
"Graham G" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Austin Shackles muttered summat about:
>
> > On or around Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:19:08 -0000, "Graham G"
> > <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> >
> >>
> >> No legal requirement for it on diesels in this country. Did it on
> >> ours and its gone through happily enough. Its all about reducing
> >> back pressure. The more you can reduce it the better the engine will
> >> perform (ECU allowing on new ones). The next stage for us is to bin
> >> the back box. Will have a straight through pipe, will be under noise
> >> regs and will not increase emissions anymore.
> >
> > The back box fell of the disco 300 TDi here and all I did was attach
> > a bit of pipe to make a new tailpipe. no audible difference... Mind,
> > it's not a restrictive box, I don't think.
> >
> >> If you want a better argument for binning the cat, find
> >> out the cost to replace it, cos having a broken one is a failure,
> >> versus the cost of a convertion pipe from say scorpion (although is
> >> easy to make own by cutting ends off cat and welding pipe in
> >> between). You wouldn't believe the performance difference it makes.
> >> The black smoke when you take off is a bit disconcerting (cat gets
> >> rid of a lot of it), but it is legal. You would be amazed how much
> >> smoke you can chuck out before it worries the emissions.
> >
> > yeah. see plenty like it on the road - I prefer to aim for "only
> > smokes a little bit under full load" meself, I reckon it's a bit
> > antisocial to belch black smoke out all the time.
> >
> > But next time it's a nice day I'll have a look at binning the cat on
> > the disco - I bet it's well clogged - the flexi thing on the front
> > pipe doesn't look all that clever either, so maybe a different,
> > cat-free, front pipe is in order.
> >
> > coo:
> >
> > http://www.exhaustshack.co.uk/
> >
> > has online version of the bosal exhaust catalogue.
> >
> > The pictures for the 200-type engine (I assume - up to chassis number
> > MA80000-odd) seem to show a non-cat system but the front pipe looks
> > different, so I assume it won't fit.
>
> They don't even list the system that was in our 90!
>

I've got a bit confused about which vehicle we're on about now, but
if its a Discovery 300Tdi just replace the whole exhaust with the non-CAT
version, job done. Check the legality first though with an MOT station.

<shamless plug>
Cock-ups aside, all the Defender exhausts are on the site below.
</shameless plug>

Richard
--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
Running a business in a Microsoft free environment - it can be done
Powered by Risc-OS - you won't get a virus from us!!
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On or around Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:29:04 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>I've got a bit confused about which vehicle we're on about now, but
>if its a Discovery 300Tdi just replace the whole exhaust with the non-CAT
>version, job done. Check the legality first though with an MOT station.
>

the one I'm looking at is. The bosal book lists 2, one with cat and one
without, but the downpipe looked a different shape.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Soon shall thy arm, unconquered steam! afar Drag the slow barge, or
drive the rapid car; Or on wide-waving wings expanded bear the
flying chariot through the field of air.- Erasmus Darwin (1731-1802)
 
On or around Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:29:04 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>I've got a bit confused about which vehicle we're on about now, but
>if its a Discovery 300Tdi just replace the whole exhaust with the non-CAT
>version, job done. Check the legality first though with an MOT station.
>


You got a price for a 300 TDi noncat disco front pipe, by any chance?
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Soon shall thy arm, unconquered steam! afar Drag the slow barge, or
drive the rapid car; Or on wide-waving wings expanded bear the
flying chariot through the field of air.- Erasmus Darwin (1731-1802)
 
In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:29:04 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >
> >I've got a bit confused about which vehicle we're on about now, but
> >if its a Discovery 300Tdi just replace the whole exhaust with the non-CAT
> >version, job done. Check the legality first though with an MOT station.
> >
>
>
> You got a price for a 300 TDi noncat disco front pipe, by any chance?

ESR2740 Down Pipe - 300 Tdi Disco Auto/RRC Non-CAT £47.00 inc VAT

It you are deleting a CAT you will need the intermediate/tail pipe as
well.

ESR2391 Disco Intermediate/Tail Exhaust From MA 081992 - Non CAT
£50.00 inc VAT


There's a tad of confusion with these as the cast part from the turbo
to the downpipe is called "The Downpipe" in the book, and the "real"
downpipe is called the intermediate pipe.

Richard
--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
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Powered by Risc-OS - you won't get a virus from us!!
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