Neil Brownlee muttered summat about:
>> Disco 2 had every bit as much plastic
>
> Not in such a large "chunk" as the D3. I'm no fan of Ford interiors -
> and this is a classic one.
Afraid I'd disagree, althought the entry level models are worse than the
HSE. Besides, I never understand how people can say the interior is all
plastic. Interiors are always plastic, they have been for twenty years. The
only ones that aren't are the military ones (defenders) and even they have a
bit. Surely its better than the plastic wood trim they used to use (and many
still do). What do you suggest they make it from, besides it is quite
obviously what the market wants as everyone on the market is the same.
>> In the centre console by the climate control switches.
>
> Oh - you mean the radio display?! Silly me - and it's in such a nice
> place....
Don't see your point really, its visible enough and tells the time what more
is there??
>> Must be in the wrong gearbox mode. Put it in sports mode and it will
>> literally spin the wheels off a standing start.
>
> IMHO it should not need smoke mode to make it perform. I rarely use
> Sport mode on my V8 RR3. .
You shouldn't need to. I never got out of normal mode with the one I drove.
Went bloody well I thought. Besides all that, you cannot seriously be
telling me that you expect the best out of a car that has only done 1500
miles???? An engine won't have loosened up properly til it gets around
10,000 miles.
Oh and if it does spin the wheels then
> there's something wrong with the terrapin response.....it should be
> impossible to wheelspin the vehicle on dry tarmac
Did I say dry tarmac?? Besides no its not impossible, you should spend some
time with LR testers, believe me they can do it!
Another thing, you are comparing a £35,000 vehicle with a £50,000 vehicle
and telling me its not quite as good, bit of a no brainer that one!
>>> Wheeeee we are driving. Oh I need to stop. I wasn't aware I had to
>>> radio ahead......unimpressed.
>
> My "old" RR3 
Hehe. I'm no convert. But to be fair - I despise
> diesel, and I think this TDV6 is still underpowered for the vehicle.
> Bring on the V8 diesel that is soon to be showcased in the RR3
Couldn't agree more, it is underpowered, cos the ruddy thing weighs 2.8t!!
The V8 petrol doesn't go much better in it either. As for the V8 diesel, LR
engineers tell me that its unlikely to ever go in the Disco. Same as the
TdV6 isn't going in the new defender (big shame).
>> As for RR sport it has Disco3 chassis and most of the disco3
>> interior, do go well though.
>
> ..and one of the reasons people are going back to the RR3 over the
> sport...is the interior.
Again you are comparing the RR sport that comes in at the same price as a D3
and below the RR with the top of the line one, its ever likely to fall
short. Have you seen the RR4 interior yet? You won't be a happy bunny if
they follow through the designs I've seen.
>> Sounds like you must have had one that has been abused. I really like
>> then. My fathers goes really well, he is on his 4th disco (after 2
>> RRs) and he recons its the best vehicle he has ever driven. I've
>> driven it and it doesnt half shift!
>
> I don't expect buggy software, knackered gearbox switch modes and
> other foibles in a 1500 mile vehicle.
Are you having a laugh?? The RR was voted the one of the most unreliable
cars in the JD power survey (don't you remember all the troubles with the
P38s?), as was the D2 and freelander when they were launched, they had
bugger all to do with ford.
As far as I'm concerned (and LR staff will tell you this, reluctantly), ford
have saved an ailing company that was fast heading the way of MGRover. The
new generation of LRs that have been developed by ford are the most reliable
vehicles LR has produced in a good few years (and there are LR statistics to
back that up). Not to mention the fact that they are shifting greater
numbers than they have in years. What would you rather, the marque carrying
on into the future or disappearing? Lets not forget here about the marques
in the ford stable; Mazda, Lincoln, Jaguar, Volvo, LR, Aston Martin, they
are huge global players and produce some of the best premium end cars in the
world. They have renewed LRs place in the market place as a global player
with a premium product. Like it or not, they are here to stay and if you
wish to support the brand in the future then you will be buying a ford
derived product, that shouldn't be seen as a bad thing.
If this is the best that Ford
> can produce after all this time, then quite franky they can continue
> thinking my D1 has HDC ...... muppets.
Sure thats not the muppets in the LR garage? You cannot blame garage muppets
for not knowing. I work in the Ag machinery industry primarily for one
brand. In the current line up there are over 40 models, they have been out 2
years previous to that there were 40 models that were out for 5 years. Long
story short if you take the last ten years thats 135 models I'm supposed to
be an expert on in the eyes of the customer. That might be do-able, however
within the group are 2 further brands, we also cover a further 33
franchises. In my current portfolio I have over 1300 products, over the last
ten years that would account for approx 3500 products, and customers get
upset when we do not know every little thing about their particular machine
that was bought ten years ago. Its bloody hard enough keeping up with todays
line up without all those that have gone before and I'm sure its much the
same in the car industry.
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Graham
101 GS
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