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Get rid of half the fuel out of tank and try that this would rule out the
full tank doing something strange, only a thought though,

Rich

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"rads" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> Rangie semi-died last night.
>
> A mile down the road after brimming the tank, suddenly losy all power.
>
> Would sit and idle perfectly (smooth, no missing) and would start
> normally, but would just not rev at all, and absolutely no power. I
> managed to limp her home, but any sniff of throttle would have her
> coughing and backfiring, as soon as I lifted of, she would idle
> normally again.
>
> As yet, I haven't even lifted the lid, but first thoughts are fuel
> pump.
>
> Comments?
>
> Anyone got a cheap fuel pump I can swap in to start chasing problem
> down?
>
> Toying with the idea of removing the floor to access tank from above
> (see here)
> http://www.rangerovers.net/repairdetails/fuelpump.htm
> Probably fraught with hidden dangers so would be grateful if someone
> could talk me out of it.
>
> David
> 1986 EFI Range Rover
>


 
My V8 did this, just after filling up. What a read herring that was ...
turned out to be the coil of all things....it was sparking - just not
enough....

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Neil


 
rads wrote:

> Should pump activate as soon as ignition is switched on? I THINK i've
> had a fiddle with a Disco pump before, that only seemed to get a feed
> when the engine was cranked. Could be wrong of course.
>
> Ta
>
> David

Only the EFi ones need the starter engaged, I think. Is this one still
on carbs?
 
Dougal wrote:

> rads wrote:
>
>> Should pump activate as soon as ignition is switched on? I THINK i've
>> had a fiddle with a Disco pump before, that only seemed to get a feed
>> when the engine was cranked. Could be wrong of course.
>>
>> Ta
>>
>> David
>
> Only the EFi ones need the starter engaged, I think. Is this one still
> on carbs?

I've now done what I should have been done before - it's an EFi!

Avoid jumping to the obvious conclusion that the full tank is the cause
and/or that it's the pump. Check the easier to get at bits first: it's
more likely to be an electrical gremlin.
 

"rads" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> Rangie semi-died last night.
>
> A mile down the road after brimming the tank, suddenly losy all power.
>
> Would sit and idle perfectly (smooth, no missing) and would start
> normally, but would just not rev at all, and absolutely no power. I
> managed to limp her home, but any sniff of throttle would have her
> coughing and backfiring, as soon as I lifted of, she would idle
> normally again.
>
> As yet, I haven't even lifted the lid, but first thoughts are fuel
> pump.
>
> Comments?
>
> Anyone got a cheap fuel pump I can swap in to start chasing problem
> down?
>
> Toying with the idea of removing the floor to access tank from above
> (see here)
> http://www.rangerovers.net/repairdetails/fuelpump.htm
> Probably fraught with hidden dangers so would be grateful if someone
> could talk me out of it.
>
> David
> 1986 EFI Range Rover

My money is on electrics I had trouble with the crappy plugs to the sensors
which I replaced and the trouble went away.with a warm engine under the
bonnet hold the throttle open and jiggle the sensor plugs if she falters
you have the one to change - (ffs be careful remember the drive belts will
chew you up nicely at revs and touch a HT lead and you wont need a perm.)
Derek


 
"rads" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> Rangie semi-died last night.
>
> A mile down the road after brimming the tank, suddenly losy all power.
>
> Would sit and idle perfectly (smooth, no missing) and would start
> normally, but would just not rev at all, and absolutely no power. I
> managed to limp her home, but any sniff of throttle would have her
> coughing and backfiring, as soon as I lifted of, she would idle
> normally again.
>
> As yet, I haven't even lifted the lid, but first thoughts are fuel
> pump.
>
> Comments?
>
> Anyone got a cheap fuel pump I can swap in to start chasing problem
> down?
>
> Toying with the idea of removing the floor to access tank from above
> (see here)
> http://www.rangerovers.net/repairdetails/fuelpump.htm
> Probably fraught with hidden dangers so would be grateful if someone
> could talk me out of it.
>
> David
> 1986 EFI Range Rover
>

Hmm - EFI's have a short-ish rubbery air hose thing between the air filter
and the plenum don't they? Maybe it's gone soft and when you're idling and
there's next to no suck it's fine, but as soon as you put your hoof down it
sucks together and chokes it up. At cheap and simple first look you must,
said Yoda.

Steve


 
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:38:26 GMT, rads wrote:

> Should pump activate as soon as ignition is switched on?

Well every car that I've owned does, you can hear it whirr away for a
few seconds. Of course Land Rovers being Land Rovers... I am talking
about the tank/delivery pump to get the fuel to the engine not the
high pressure injection pump. The latter I would not expect to do
anything without cranking.

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On or around Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:39:32 GMT, rads
<[email protected]> enlightened us
thusly:

>On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:24:22 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>From GA441004 - 1990 MY
>
>Bah..
>Austin, you teased me!
>
>David
>1986 RR efi

get the angle grinder out and make one then. It's only a hole in the boot
and a bit of tin held over it with half-a-dozen short self-tappers.

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"There is plenty of time to win this game, and to thrash the Spaniards
too" Sir Francis Drake (1540? - 1596) Attr. saying when the Armarda was
sighted, 20th July 1588
 
On or around Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:38:26 GMT, rads
<[email protected]> enlightened us
thusly:

>On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:53:11 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>Cruddy new fuel or a very empty tank that has the sludge stirred up
>>and sucked into the fuel filter causing starvation?
>
>Like this option (cheapest new pump I've found is £100ish, and thats
>Paddocks, been quoted over twice that elsewhere...).)
>>
>>Disconnect the fuel feed pipe, post filter, and stick it in a clean
>>container and switch on (don't crank!) fuel should gush out...
>
>Should pump activate as soon as ignition is switched on? I THINK i've
>had a fiddle with a Disco pump before, that only seemed to get a feed
>when the engine was cranked. Could be wrong of course.

yes it should be like that. gets a signal from the ECU or from the ignition
to tell it the engine's turning.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"There is plenty of time to win this game, and to thrash the Spaniards
too" Sir Francis Drake (1540? - 1596) Attr. saying when the Armarda was
sighted, 20th July 1588
 
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:17:38 GMT, rads
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Rangie semi-died last night.
>
AAAAARGH

Went to start diagnosing last night, armed with borrowed fuel pressure
test kit.

Start Rangie up to move her into the shed.

Perfect.

Starts, idles, revs.

Perfect.

take her for a 20 mile run, including blasting up and down the
motorway.

Perfect.

As I see it 3 options.

1) Start wasting time ond money trying to diagnose whatever the
original fault was.

2) Worry that the next time the fault occurrs will be somewhere wet
cold dark and inhospitable.

3) Assume that the fault was magically cured overnight by the fix-it
faires.

Being a "glass is half full" kind of guy, I'm going with option 3. Ive
liberally applied liquid maintenance (WD40) to everthing mentioned in
the thread to ward off further evil spirits.

However if you do ever see a gently dilapidated D plate white Rangie
crawling home at 6 mph, "I told you so" will not be appreciated!

Many thanks for all the advice and any further thoughts most welcome.

David
 
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:13:34 GMT, rads
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Being a "glass is half full" kind of guy,

I'm like that - life's too short.

My glass is half full - mind, usually because some b*st*rd has drank
the other half whilst I'm in the bogs...

 
Mother wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:13:34 GMT, rads
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Being a "glass is half full" kind of guy,
>
> I'm like that - life's too short.
>
> My glass is half full - mind, usually because some b*st*rd has drank
> the other half whilst I'm in the bogs...

I tend towards ambivalence - I'm a sort of "Glass is at 50% of rated
capacity" guy.

P.
 
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:32:03 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> My glass is half full - mind, usually because some b*st*rd has drank
>> the other half whilst I'm in the bogs...
>
>I tend towards ambivalence - I'm a sort of "Glass is at 50% of rated
>capacity" guy.

Are you looking at my drink???

 

Mother wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:32:03 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> My glass is half full - mind, usually because some b*st*rd has drank
> >> the other half whilst I'm in the bogs...
> >
> >I tend towards ambivalence - I'm a sort of "Glass is at 50% of rated
> >capacity" guy.
>

As an engineer I'd say that the glass was 100% overcapacity!

Cheers

Peter

 
On 30 Nov 2005 04:48:15 -0800, "puffernutter"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Mother wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:32:03 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> My glass is half full - mind, usually because some b*st*rd has drank
>> >> the other half whilst I'm in the bogs...
>> >
>> >I tend towards ambivalence - I'm a sort of "Glass is at 50% of rated
>> >capacity" guy.
>>
>
>As an engineer I'd say that the glass was 100% overcapacity!
>
>Cheers
>
>Peter

Surely, as an engineer, the glass is lacking features, not
overcapacity.

Useful additional features for a pint glass:

1) Write-on panel for contents. Makes re-ordering a large round a
doddle.

2) Voice recorder to capture all the brilliant, world changing
inventions and ideas that inevitably accompany a proper drinking
session.

 
On or around Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:13:34 GMT, rads
<[email protected]> enlightened us
thusly:

>
>1) Start wasting time ond money trying to diagnose whatever the
>original fault was.

you might check some of the more obvious points like fuel filters and wiring
connections on the ignition and so forth.

>However if you do ever see a gently dilapidated D plate white Rangie
>crawling home at 6 mph, "I told you so" will not be appreciated!
>
As if we would...

<snigger=muffled>
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Austin Shackles <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz
funny about:
> get the angle grinder out and make one then. It's only a hole in the
> boot and a bit of tin held over it with half-a-dozen short
> self-tappers.

Erm.. but not a 9 inch one!


Lee D


--
www.lrproject.com



 
> AAAAARGH
>
> Went to start diagnosing last night, armed with borrowed fuel pressure
> test kit.
>
> Start Rangie up to move her into the shed.
>
> Perfect.
>
> Starts, idles, revs.
>
> Perfect.
>
> take her for a 20 mile run, including blasting up and down the
> motorway.
>
> Perfect.
>
> As I see it 3 options.
>
> 1) Start wasting time ond money trying to diagnose whatever the
> original fault was.
>
> 2) Worry that the next time the fault occurrs will be somewhere wet
> cold dark and inhospitable.
>
> 3) Assume that the fault was magically cured overnight by the fix-it
> faires.


Just like my gearbox!!!! (See earlier post). I've gone for option 3 too and
so far so good.
Bloody funny things these landies!
TonyB


 
TonyB wrote:

> Bloody funny things these landies!
> TonyB

Self-healing - what else can you ask?
 
On 2005-11-30, rads <[email protected]> wrote:

> Surely, as an engineer, the glass is lacking features, not
> overcapacity.

I think you mean the glass is overspecified.

> Useful additional features for a pint glass:
>
> 1) Write-on panel for contents. Makes re-ordering a large round a
> doddle.

Digital nookie-cam on the bottom, with still frame and replay.

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