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hi guys

anyone have any ideas what a 1999 td5 engine sells for?
it has about 240,000k's on the clock and runs like beast. wanting to
replace it with the 2.8HS international.
cheers

 

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> hi guys
>
> anyone have any ideas what a 1999 td5 engine sells for?
> it has about 240,000k's on the clock and runs like beast. wanting to
> replace it with the 2.8HS international.
> cheers

As its quite high mileage the price is going to be depressed I would suspect
the cost of rewiring and replacing the ECU in your motor before you fit
the new 2.8 motor in your 90
http://www.prinsmaasdijk.nl/landroverengine/bodyhs28.html would be an
issue- a low mileage TD5 with the ECU and all the wiring is a little over a
£1000 that being said what does the ECU control in a TD5 Defender I know the
army kyboshed them on the grounds of a fault in an emergency being a "****
creek scenario" but surely it cant be that bad?
Derek


 
he derek. thanks for yr reply.
so far iv been quoted R20,000 on my motor which is about 1400 pounds.(u
were right on the button)
good news regarding the ECU is they opt to do away with it and replace
it with VDO instruments as the new motor is totally mechanical and
therfore no need for computer controlled instruments and so forth.
it's also hard to believe that the 2.8 4-cylinder out-performs the
td5-cylinder. puts a smile on my face>>>
regards


Derek wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > hi guys
> >
> > anyone have any ideas what a 1999 td5 engine sells for?
> > it has about 240,000k's on the clock and runs like beast. wanting to
> > replace it with the 2.8HS international.
> > cheers
>
> As its quite high mileage the price is going to be depressed I would suspect
> the cost of rewiring and replacing the ECU in your motor before you fit
> the new 2.8 motor in your 90
> http://www.prinsmaasdijk.nl/landroverengine/bodyhs28.html would be an
> issue- a low mileage TD5 with the ECU and all the wiring is a little over a
> £1000 that being said what does the ECU control in a TD5 Defender I know the
> army kyboshed them on the grounds of a fault in an emergency being a "****
> creek scenario" but surely it cant be that bad?
> Derek

 
Derek and dgn57 Hi,

the 2.8 Powerstroke engine is very good and it is only logical to outperform
the TD5 both in terms of power and torque output but also in terms of better
fuel consumption figures (less thirsty)

It may have a sligthly bigger capacity but it is a four cylinder engine and
it has a VERY advanced turbocharger.

Its main advantage though is that it suffers none of the problems we all got
to know the Tdi engines for such as them being easily overheated and
chaffing cylinder heads and gaskets.

The 2.8 has a completely redesigned water passage system, a redesigned
cylinder head and this allow it to operate with any heat related problems.
A friend here in Greece who has fitted it in his Range Rover Classic
replacing a 300Tdi is absolutely in love with the 2.8 after almost a year of
using it.

Another VERY serious advantage of the 2.8 over the TD5 is that it has
absolutely NO ELECTRONICS. So you can very easily fit it in your vehicle.
The only thing that may require some modification must be the chassis mounts
and the exhaust downpipe.

I believe the Prinsmaasdijk must be offering a kit for the TD5 engined
Defenders.

Take care
Pantelis

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> hi guys
>
> anyone have any ideas what a 1999 td5 engine sells for?
> it has about 240,000k's on the clock and runs like beast. wanting to
> replace it with the 2.8HS international.
> cheers
>


 
HI Pantelis

really appreciate yr feed back.
yr the 1st person to offer feed back that has actually had experiece
with this engine.
so fgar i have had 0 negative feed back regarding the HS 2.8
thanks




Pantelis Giamarellos wrote:
> Derek and dgn57 Hi,
>
> the 2.8 Powerstroke engine is very good and it is only logical to outperform
> the TD5 both in terms of power and torque output but also in terms of better
> fuel consumption figures (less thirsty)
>
> It may have a sligthly bigger capacity but it is a four cylinder engine and
> it has a VERY advanced turbocharger.
>
> Its main advantage though is that it suffers none of the problems we all got
> to know the Tdi engines for such as them being easily overheated and
> chaffing cylinder heads and gaskets.
>
> The 2.8 has a completely redesigned water passage system, a redesigned
> cylinder head and this allow it to operate with any heat related problems.
> A friend here in Greece who has fitted it in his Range Rover Classic
> replacing a 300Tdi is absolutely in love with the 2.8 after almost a year of
> using it.
>
> Another VERY serious advantage of the 2.8 over the TD5 is that it has
> absolutely NO ELECTRONICS. So you can very easily fit it in your vehicle.
> The only thing that may require some modification must be the chassis mounts
> and the exhaust downpipe.
>
> I believe the Prinsmaasdijk must be offering a kit for the TD5 engined
> Defenders.
>
> Take care
> Pantelis
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > hi guys
> >
> > anyone have any ideas what a 1999 td5 engine sells for?
> > it has about 240,000k's on the clock and runs like beast. wanting to
> > replace it with the 2.8HS international.
> > cheers
> >

 
gdn57 Hi again,

If I were to change the engine on one of my camels I would definately go for
the 2.8 Powerstroke.

I am sure you will love it and when you will get used to its power and
torque you can always tweak it very easily by fitting a larger intercooler.

Andy Graham of www.allisport.com has an intercooler solution for the 2.8
Powerstroke engine. Remember this engine with an intercooler from Andy
managed to finish the Paris Dakar last year. I do not remember the place it
finished but just finishing this race is something very good by itself.

Take care
Pantelis
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> HI Pantelis
>
> really appreciate yr feed back.
> yr the 1st person to offer feed back that has actually had experiece
> with this engine.
> so fgar i have had 0 negative feed back regarding the HS 2.8
> thanks
>
>
>
>
> Pantelis Giamarellos wrote:
> > Derek and dgn57 Hi,
> >
> > the 2.8 Powerstroke engine is very good and it is only logical to
outperform
> > the TD5 both in terms of power and torque output but also in terms of
better
> > fuel consumption figures (less thirsty)
> >
> > It may have a sligthly bigger capacity but it is a four cylinder engine
and
> > it has a VERY advanced turbocharger.
> >
> > Its main advantage though is that it suffers none of the problems we all
got
> > to know the Tdi engines for such as them being easily overheated and
> > chaffing cylinder heads and gaskets.
> >
> > The 2.8 has a completely redesigned water passage system, a redesigned
> > cylinder head and this allow it to operate with any heat related
problems.
> > A friend here in Greece who has fitted it in his Range Rover Classic
> > replacing a 300Tdi is absolutely in love with the 2.8 after almost a
year of
> > using it.
> >
> > Another VERY serious advantage of the 2.8 over the TD5 is that it has
> > absolutely NO ELECTRONICS. So you can very easily fit it in your
vehicle.
> > The only thing that may require some modification must be the chassis
mounts
> > and the exhaust downpipe.
> >
> > I believe the Prinsmaasdijk must be offering a kit for the TD5 engined
> > Defenders.
> >
> > Take care
> > Pantelis
> >
> > <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > hi guys
> > >
> > > anyone have any ideas what a 1999 td5 engine sells for?
> > > it has about 240,000k's on the clock and runs like beast. wanting to
> > > replace it with the 2.8HS international.
> > > cheers
> > >
>


 
<[email protected]> wrote:

> so fgar i have had 0 negative feed back regarding the HS 2.8

For sure there is none, we already fitted on to a customers car, but I
would stay with the in reality much better TD5. It easily tuneable to
give stabel 170BHP or with some smart tricks to 195BHP. A TD5 which
received some help outperforms a TDI (no matter how much capacity) in
every way.

Raoul
--
==To e-mail me exchange das_liest_keiner with anything else==
I'll give up my Land Rover when you pry my cold dead fingers
from the steering wheel.
 
i would not go as far as saying "much better"
the td5 is very much pronr to overheating and is after all a BMW motor.
if it were that good, trust me i would not be replacing it with the HS.
it might be good for driving around the city or smalls towns, but here
in africa where the only possibility of servicing that motor would be
South-Africa, Nairobi and maybe Botswana. here in africa we use a LR
for what it was designed for and unfortunately the td5 was not designed
for rural africa. iv had some realy dissapointing experiences as it is
with mine. thats why im going for the change. "RELIABILITY" ... :)
CHEERS


Raoul Donschachner wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > so fgar i have had 0 negative feed back regarding the HS 2.8
>
> For sure there is none, we already fitted on to a customers car, but I
> would stay with the in reality much better TD5. It easily tuneable to
> give stabel 170BHP or with some smart tricks to 195BHP. A TD5 which
> received some help outperforms a TDI (no matter how much capacity) in
> every way.
>
> Raoul
> --
> ==To e-mail me exchange das_liest_keiner with anything else==
> I'll give up my Land Rover when you pry my cold dead fingers
> from the steering wheel.

 
<[email protected]> wrote:

> the td5 is very much pronr to overheating and is after all a BMW motor.
Its not, its engineered by Land Rover and Ricardo Engineering, it has
nothing to do with BMW, absolutely nothing. Its the best engine Land
Rover ever did. I travel the sahara every year, with a highly modified
TD5 and I have absolutely no overheating problem. I also run a
independant Land Rover garage and I never heard of overheating TD5s.
Ad reliability:
What may be better than an engine with a timing chain than a timing
belt?
The single problem of this engine is its ****ing diesel pump which
should be replaced with a better, external one.

Raoul
--
==To e-mail me exchange das_liest_keiner with anything else==
I'll give up my Land Rover when you pry my cold dead fingers
from the steering wheel.
 

"Raoul Donschachner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1hmbhou.1xib0on1xj2c3mN%[email protected]...
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > the td5 is very much pronr to overheating and is after all a BMW motor.
> Its not, its engineered by Land Rover and Ricardo Engineering, it has
> nothing to do with BMW, absolutely nothing. Its the best engine Land
> Rover ever did. I travel the sahara every year, with a highly modified
> TD5 and I have absolutely no overheating problem. I also run a
> independant Land Rover garage and I never heard of overheating TD5s.
> Ad reliability:
> What may be better than an engine with a timing chain than a timing
> belt?

Timing gears?

Martin

> The single problem of this engine is its ****ing diesel pump which
> should be replaced with a better, external one.
>
> Raoul
> --
> ==To e-mail me exchange das_liest_keiner with anything else==
> I'll give up my Land Rover when you pry my cold dead fingers
> from the steering wheel.


 
On or around Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:53:53 +0100, "William Tasso"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:52:12 +0100, Oily
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Raoul Donschachner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:1hmbhou.1xib0on1xj2c3mN%[email protected]...
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> ...
>>> What may be better than an engine with a timing chain than a timing
>>> belt?
>>
>> Timing gears?
>
>desmodromic?
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmodromic_valve

you still have to drive it though. does away with valve springs mind.
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"Festina Lente" (Hasten slowly) Suetonius (c.70-c.140) Augustus, 25
 

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:53:53 +0100, "William Tasso"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:52:12 +0100, Oily
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "Raoul Donschachner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:1hmbhou.1xib0on1xj2c3mN%[email protected]...
> >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> ...
> >>> What may be better than an engine with a timing chain than a timing
> >>> belt?
> >>
> >> Timing gears?
> >
> >desmodromic?
> >
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmodromic_valve
>
> you still have to drive it though. does away with valve springs mind.

18-cylinder twin-bank sleeve valve radial engine!! No valves as such,
sleeves driven off a ring gear. Not ideally suited to high rpm's however.
can't remember it's name, but I think it might have been the Bristol
Centaurus?
Badger.


 
On or around Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:54:38 +0100, "Badger"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On or around Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:53:53 +0100, "William Tasso"
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>> >On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:52:12 +0100, Oily
>> ><[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "Raoul Donschachner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> news:1hmbhou.1xib0on1xj2c3mN%[email protected]...
>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>> ...
>> >>> What may be better than an engine with a timing chain than a timing
>> >>> belt?
>> >>
>> >> Timing gears?
>> >
>> >desmodromic?
>> >
>> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmodromic_valve
>>
>> you still have to drive it though. does away with valve springs mind.
>
>18-cylinder twin-bank sleeve valve radial engine!! No valves as such,
>sleeves driven off a ring gear. Not ideally suited to high rpm's however.
>can't remember it's name, but I think it might have been the Bristol
>Centaurus?
>Badger.
>
Probably. Pegasus was the little one.

OK, if you want big... 28-cylinder 4-bank Pratt & Whitney Wasp Major, aka
"Corncob".

if forget the capacity. summat silly. went up to about 3800hp. oddly,
can't find the details in the "book" (world encyclopedia of military
aircraft, by one Enzo Angelucci).

--
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"There are three sorts of people in the world - those who can count,
and those who can't" (Anon)
 
Sad but here goes

Specifications: Manufacturer's designation Wasp Major, military designation
R-4360; 28-cylinder, air-cooled radial arranged in four rows of seven
cylinders each; bore 5.75 in., stroke 6.0 in., displacement 4363 cu. in.,
3000 to 3500 hp. at 2800 rpm., weight 3600 lbs, later uprated to 4000 hp.
One, by Zvezda, is a 6-row radial with 7 cylinders per row, making a 42
cylinder engine for tractor pulling. Basically, it is seven 6-cylinder
engines on a common crankcase with a very strong crankshaft. It started out
at 4,000 hp and was developed to 6,035 hp.
end of lesson :)

Wolfie
 
Oily <[email protected]> wrote:

> Timing gears?

Nice thingy, but ugly expensive :)

Raoul
--
==To e-mail me exchange das_liest_keiner with anything else==
I'll give up my Land Rover when you pry my cold dead fingers
from the steering wheel.
 
On or around Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:56:43 GMT, [email protected] enlightened us
thusly:

>Sad but here goes
>
>Specifications: Manufacturer's designation Wasp Major, military designation
>R-4360; 28-cylinder, air-cooled radial arranged in four rows of seven
>cylinders each; bore 5.75 in., stroke 6.0 in., displacement 4363 cu. in.,

that makes it about 71,466 cc

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