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Lee_D

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If you have a Disco 1 (mine is the 300 shape V8 ES) then check your aircon
pipes, specifically the one that runs under the Battery from the cooler
beside the radiator. This pipe has by design another pipe from something
which I forget which chaffs against it.

The replacement Aircon pipe has just cost me £87 plus VAT, plus a refill
(tomorrow). The pipe is ally so can't be repaired and has rather odd ends
such that none of the local specialists could make a replacement item.

Whats worse it doesn't even have a green oval badge visible on it anywhere
(but is a genuine part).

Anyone who has ever met me (drunk with) will know I'm not easily parted
from my hard earned and this has gone down on my list of most shocking
prices to date... £45 for a Steering pump bearing (£5 around the corner same
spec!) , £550 for an alternator for a 1990 Rangie Turbo D (£35 to get fixed
the one that had broken), £110 rubber gearbox mounts for a Renault Espace -
Ok not Landrover but it still smarted!

Please go out and check your pipe isn't chaffing, if it saves two or three
of you the rediculous expense I've just had to go through it'll at least
make me feel a bit better. I know now of at least 4 others who have had to
replace this pipe!

I'm assuming Classics with Aircon are a similar set up... pipe runs under
the battery and expansion tank (Drivers side on a RHD)

Sticky Lee D


 
Lee_D wrote:
> If you have a Disco 1 (mine is the 300 shape V8 ES) then check your aircon
> pipes, specifically the one that runs under the Battery from the cooler
> beside the radiator. This pipe has by design another pipe from something
> which I forget which chaffs against it.
>
> The replacement Aircon pipe has just cost me £87 plus VAT, plus a refill
> (tomorrow). The pipe is ally so can't be repaired and has rather odd ends
> such that none of the local specialists could make a replacement item.
>
> Whats worse it doesn't even have a green oval badge visible on it anywhere
> (but is a genuine part).
>
> Anyone who has ever met me (drunk with) will know I'm not easily parted
> from my hard earned and this has gone down on my list of most shocking
> prices to date... £45 for a Steering pump bearing (£5 around the corner same
> spec!) , £550 for an alternator for a 1990 Rangie Turbo D (£35 to getfixed
> the one that had broken), £110 rubber gearbox mounts for a Renault Espace -
> Ok not Landrover but it still smarted!
>
> Please go out and check your pipe isn't chaffing, if it saves two or three
> of you the rediculous expense I've just had to go through it'll at least
> make me feel a bit better. I know now of at least 4 others who have had to
> replace this pipe!
>
> I'm assuming Classics with Aircon are a similar set up... pipe runs under
> the battery and expansion tank (Drivers side on a RHD)
>
> Sticky Lee D



Lee,

I've got a problem with the pipe as well....it's rotted away where the
'P' clip holds it to the inner wing - I don't have other pipes in the
vacinity though. Mines a 95 Disco 300tdi auto.

Was the part number BTR7230 ? Straight piece of pipe with a slight
cicane (sp) in it?

I've take my old pipe off - system was emptied beforehand by a
specialist so no chance of frost bite / releasing what may have been
left in there - and will be popping over to my local Pirtek franchise
to get it repaired as apparently it can be done ( according to my air
con chap who had a Discovery)....

Will report back ....

cheers
Gavin

 
GS <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:

> Lee,
>
> I've got a problem with the pipe as well....it's rotted away where the
> 'P' clip holds it to the inner wing - I don't have other pipes in the
> vacinity though. Mines a 95 Disco 300tdi auto.
>
> Was the part number BTR7230 ? Straight piece of pipe with a slight
> cicane (sp) in it?
>
> I've take my old pipe off - system was emptied beforehand by a
> specialist so no chance of frost bite / releasing what may have been
> left in there - and will be popping over to my local Pirtek franchise
> to get it repaired as apparently it can be done ( according to my air
> con chap who had a Discovery)....
>
> Will report back ....
>
> cheers
> Gavin

Tried our local Pirtek , chap said with the heat required it would just blow
the pipe away, hope you have more luck than me. also tried 2x hydraulics
specialist, local brakes and hoses and my LPG supplier who fits kits. It is
the same part number, I got it on the overnight delivery at the main agent,
then they had the nerve to charge me another 1.07% for sticking it on my
shock absorber (credit card)

Lee D


 
Lee_D wrote:

>The pipe is ally so can't be repaired and has rather odd ends
> such that none of the local specialists could make a replacement item.

Has it failed in the Ali then ?

Steve
 
Steve Taylor <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz
funny about:
> Lee_D wrote:
>
>> The pipe is ally so can't be repaired and has rather odd ends
>> such that none of the local specialists could make a replacement
>> item.
>
> Has it failed in the Ali then ?
>
> Steve

Pin holed on a corner :-(

Lee


 
On or around Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:51:18 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Steve Taylor <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz
>funny about:
>> Lee_D wrote:
>>
>>> The pipe is ally so can't be repaired and has rather odd ends
>>> such that none of the local specialists could make a replacement
>>> item.
>>
>> Has it failed in the Ali then ?
>>
>> Steve
>
>Pin holed on a corner :-(

bit late...

www.aluminiumrepair.co.uk/index.html

but got to be worth a try, I should think, if the replacement pipe is 87
notes.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Something there is that doesn't love a wall."
Robert Frost (1874-1963)
 
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz
funny about:

>>> Steve
>>
>> Pin holed on a corner :-(
>
> bit late...
>
> www.aluminiumrepair.co.uk/index.html
>
> but got to be worth a try, I should think, if the replacement pipe is
> 87 notes.

H'mmm interesting. Sadly this pipe is the thickness of a pencil. Given the
cost of getting it filled and finding the contents on the floor in the
morning on this occasion I think it makes sense to replace. Tis a shame
about the cost though, frigging criminal.

I brazed up the Auto oil cooler on Percy and was happy with that but it's
only a couple of quid in AFT if it blows. Looking at this pipe I think
anything more harsh than a cigarette lighter would turn it in to a puddle.

Lee


 
>
> bit late...
>
> www.aluminiumrepair.co.uk/index.html
>
> but got to be worth a try, I should think, if the replacement pipe is 87
> notes.


Blimey, that'll upset Lee.

I'd have tried fibre glassing it too, maybe over some tape or something.

TonyB


 
TonyB <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:

>
>
> Blimey, that'll upset Lee.
>
> I'd have tried fibre glassing it too, maybe over some tape or
> something.
>
> TonyB

Gunked it from the day it was filled two years ago when it dripped from the
pipe where it had become pourous, I split a rubber hose and placed over the
hole and jubilee clipped with more gunk but it was on a corner so destined
to fail. There is quite a bit of pressure in these systems and at £70 it
cost for the last refill I'm not taking any chances. I also get chronic
hayfever so faffing around with it for 3 weeks isn't really an option. The
only place I seem to be able to function properly is in an aircon
environment. Earlier in the week when I switched it on nowt happened... one
drip too many me thinks.

I can bodge until the cows come home ;-)
<http://www.lrproject.com/percy/index.html>

Did consider fibreglass, or the resin more to the point but these pipes go
through some extremes in temperature and I wasn't convinced it would hold
short of seting the pipe in a block of resin.

If any one wants to buy the old pipe for £79.99 all in to experiment I'll
gladly post it :)

Lee D
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TonyB wrote:
>> bit late...
>>
>> www.aluminiumrepair.co.uk/index.html
>>
>> but got to be worth a try, I should think, if the replacement pipe
>> is 87 notes.
>
>
> Blimey, that'll upset Lee.
>
> I'd have tried fibre glassing it too, maybe over some tape or
> something.
>
> TonyB

It (possibly) works at VERY high pressure, some of the aircon pipes do.

Nige


 
Lee_D wrote:

> I brazed up the Auto oil cooler on Percy and was happy with that but it's
> only a couple of quid in AFT if it blows. Looking at this pipe I think
> anything more harsh than a cigarette lighter would turn it in to a puddle.

I have a company that do work for me, and one of their welders could
weld it no problem - he cut a coke can in half and welded it back
togteher as a test piece.

You could always have a spare.

Steve
 
On or around Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:14:02 +0100, steve
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Lee_D wrote:
>
>> I brazed up the Auto oil cooler on Percy and was happy with that but it's
>> only a couple of quid in AFT if it blows. Looking at this pipe I think
>> anything more harsh than a cigarette lighter would turn it in to a puddle.
>
>I have a company that do work for me, and one of their welders could
>weld it no problem - he cut a coke can in half and welded it back
>togteher as a test piece.
>

I've seen bits of ally plate welded to an aluminium beer can with the
lumiweld type stuff.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Where they make a desert they call it peace" Tacitus (c.55 - c.117)
Agricola, 30
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

> I've seen bits of ally plate welded to an aluminium beer can with the
> lumiweld type stuff.

Lumiweld is only a braze isn't it ?

Steve
 
steve <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
> Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> I've seen bits of ally plate welded to an aluminium beer can with the
>> lumiweld type stuff.
>
> Lumiweld is only a braze isn't it ?
>
> Steve

Well all aircon'd up now. Chap mentioned that systems get up to 150psi...
thats a load of psi's! :)

Lee D


 
Lee_D wrote:

> Well all aircon'd up now. Chap mentioned that systems get up to 150psi...
> thats a load of psi's! :)

Nah, we have one that runs at over 230.

Steve
 
steve <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
> Lee_D wrote:
>
>> Well all aircon'd up now. Chap mentioned that systems get up to
>> 150psi... thats a load of psi's! :)
>
> Nah, we have one that runs at over 230.
>
> Steve

I'm confused now ;-) I was agreeing but see where you're coming from :)

Lee


 
On or around Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:46:41 +0100, steve
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> I've seen bits of ally plate welded to an aluminium beer can with the
>> lumiweld type stuff.
>
>Lumiweld is only a braze isn't it ?
>

yeah, same as the stuff I posted a link to (or similar, anyway). But don't
knock it on that account: I've seen their demo at a bike show and it's
impressive stuff. one of the types brazed 2 bits of ally plate together
(about 2mm thick) and I grabbed them with a brace of mole grips and pulled
them apart - but the plate failed as readily as the brazing, in other words,
the repair was a strong or stronger than the original ally.

ISTR special specs and a UV light to spot aircon fluid leaks. combined that
with a repaired pipe at regassing time, you should be able to see if it's
leaking or not and do something about it.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young / In a world
of magnets and miracles / Our thoughts strayed constantly and without
boundary / The ringing of the Division bell had begun. Pink Floyd (1994)
 
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