Calling Sherlock- what's that funny noise?

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MoikeT

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Hello Landyzone! My name’s Michael. I often come here to find out how to deal with my Land Rover, but I have a question that I haven’t been able to find a solution for on searching old threads, so I’m hoping one of you excellent chaps might be able to help.

I have an R reg Defender 110 300Tdi with only 56,000 miles, which I bought two years ago. It’s a thing of extraordinary beauty, and I love it almost as much as I do my dear wife and children (but don’t tell them). I’ve had all kinds of cars in my life, but this is my all time favourite. They’re just awesome, aren’t they? Of course, it occasionally develops odd little ‘problems’ (though, happily these are invariably easy and cheap to fix). I’m a very useless and inexperienced car mechanic, but keen to learn, and I really enjoy mending it when I can.

My new problem is this. About a week ago, I noticed a strange thing happened as I was driving up a big- though fairly low gradient- hill. When I reached the speed of about 50mph, in fifth gear, the whole car began to vibrate and the torque flatted out appreciably. The vibration was a sort of low thrumming from down below that shook the entire car, which I felt especially through the steering wheel, but the whole thing was vibrating and rattling. It felt the same as if I were driving on low cobbles, or those shallow yellow rumble strips you sometimes come across just before you get to a roundabout on a ring road. The power drop was only slight, though obvious enough, but I noticed it diminished greatly with the higher engine revs when I went down a gear, or indeed when I slowed down slightly. There’s a definite speed threshold of about 48mph, below which it does not happen. In fifth, uphill, it gets worse as I accelerate (unusually sluggishly and weakly) above that speed. It disappears altogether when I go downhill (even at similar speeds and engine revs) or on the flat. Testing it out a bit, I found that it happens most in 5th gear, rather less in 4th, and hardly at all in 3rd gear- so it seems when the revs are higher, the vibration diminishes, and I suspect it therefore relates to the amount of labour I’m asking the engine to do. It goes away completely when I put the gearbox in neutral and coast, and the engine itself appears to be working normally, with no obvious problems on revving out of gear.

In the last few days I have also noticed another new noise, which I feel must be related. It is quite different. It’s an intermittent metallic chirruping, a bit like a twittering whistling birdcall, with a light rattling quality. This comes and goes more randomly, and seems to originate higher up- from the engine compartment. It doesn’t seem to correspond directly with the deep thrumming though.

I think this might be a transmission problem. For several months now, I have noticed a kind of strange thump after I change up a gear, which I can reproduce when I’m driving along, by repeatedly lifting and pressing my foot on and off the accelerator quickly- there’s a kind of momentarily delayed but prominent jolt as the transmission comes into and out of engagement by the thrust of the engine. It sort of feels like there’s something loose, so though it’s a bit hard to explain what I mean by that. Anyway, I’m convinced this was an early symptom of the new disease.

Any ideas?
 
Thank you, crashbox. Yes, I fear it's something fairly major, though I still hope I can fix it by tapping something sharply with a hammer, tightening up a bolt, or by putting some sort of lubrication into something.
 
Your jolt sounds like a rear A-Frame ball joint. An easy fix using busters guide.

http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f41/frame-balljoint-renewal-110342.html

When mine started to vibrate under load it turned out to be the front propshaft UJ's that was another easy fix following Busters guide.

http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f41/uj-renewal-59812.html

When I had the vibration I just drove slower for about a month (short trips) before I fixed it. This was a mistake as the vibration fecked my clutch slave cylinder and snapped a bulkhead bolt that went through the chassis and bulkhead and into my rocksliders.

HTH..
 
Heh. I used to have a Mercedes saloon, which was all very nice and everything, but there were only two user-serviceable items in the whole car: the winsdcreen wash reservoir and the dipstick- both of which were colour coded yellow, just in case you thought there was anything else you might want to look at under the bonnet!
 
Thank you so much, Helmetbolt. That's extremely helpful. Is there any way of discovering whether the A-Frame balljoint might be the culprit, without taking it apart?

Also, this might help with the diagnosis- I forgot to mention it. I replaced the UJ last year because it was pretty chewed up, so I don't think that's a problem now, but I wonder if it being chewed up suggests something particular about the transmission that might explain the new problem? I had assumed these UJs just wear naturally, but maybe there was a deeper problem that's now causing these new symptoms?
 
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