Buncefield destroys 101 Vampire

Paul S. Brown wrote:

> There's a name for burning aluminium near a rusty steel chassis.
>
> Thermite.
>
> P.

For it to go off properly you need finely powdered iron oxide and
aluminium don't you ?

Steve

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:12:30 +0000, Paul S. Brown wrote:

> It *could* have happened - probably just melted though -

Looks like simple blast damage to me look at what is left of the hedge
behind it. Anything smaller than and inch or so has been stripped
away, leaving just the sturdier branches.

Remember this wasn't a high explosive derived explosion but a
relatively slow combustion of a vapour/air mix producing a big fire
ball that pushed away the surrounding air as it expanded. The result
isn't a shock wave but an actual massive movement of air.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

Dave Liquorice wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:12:30 +0000, Paul S. Brown wrote:
>
>> It *could* have happened - probably just melted though -
>
> Looks like simple blast damage to me look at what is left of the hedge
> behind it. Anything smaller than and inch or so has been stripped
> away, leaving just the sturdier branches.
I said more or less that yesterday..The tyres are still intact too.
I assume the owner is a member of the club.
Steve

Mother wrote:

>On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:12:30 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>It *could* have happened - probably just melted though
>>
>>
>
>?
>
>It didn't melt. I've mentioned this already.
>
>
>
>
So, how far did the bits go???

Lizzy

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:43:36 +0000, LizzyTaylor
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Mother wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:12:30 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>It *could* have happened - probably just melted though
>>>
>>>
>>
>>?
>>
>>It didn't melt. I've mentioned this already.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>So, how far did the bits go???

Theres quite a bit of insulation on the floor round it. I'm assuming
vampires are insulated internally like ambi's - in which case some of
it is probably there!

Perhaps the force of the explosion caused a temporal instability in the
interstitial vortex of the space time fabric and it disapeared through a
wormhole

--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes



"Paul S. Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Alex wrote:
>
> All it would take is for the battery to end up shorted directly across a
> body panel for that to happen - $UNGODLY Amps will cause ally to heat
quite
> nicely - also Birmabright has a magnesium component which drops the
> ignition point a good bit - magnesium itself can be set off with a match
> and it exceeds the ignition point of aluminium when it burns.
>
> It *could* have happened - probably just melted though - if the ally had
> gone up it would have done some much nastier things to the chassis - like
> melt it to slag.
>
> There's a name for burning aluminium near a rusty steel chassis.
>
> Thermite.
>
> P.

Tom Woods wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:40:53 +1300, Brian <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to view the 'random images' on the site apart from
>> closing and opening it all the time?
>
> http://www.101club.org/pix/random/

Thanks for that.Some great pics there. The '60's colour schemes on the
yellow/blue , purple, and yellow with flame job crack me up. Too much
acid earlier in life.....?

"Larry" , whilst on drugs, wrote :-

> Perhaps the force of the explosion caused a temporal instability in the
> interstitial vortex of the space time fabric and it disapeared through a
> wormhole

Space time fabric? Don't you mean Space Time Continuum?
Or maybe the Bimbleweeny Sub-Meeson Processor was connected to the Brownium
Motion Producer arse-about-face? ;-)
Or maybe even the hoopy frood lost his towel........

Unless you've read the "hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy you wouldn't
understand.....

Badger. (Not on any sort of recreational drugs at the time of writing!)

Badger wrote:
> "Larry" , whilst on drugs, wrote :-
>
>> Perhaps the force of the explosion caused a temporal instability in the
>> interstitial vortex of the space time fabric and it disapeared through a
>> wormhole
>
> Space time fabric? Don't you mean Space Time Continuum?

Yep. Eddie's sofa still in the continuum.

Steve

On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:11:36 +1300, Brian <[email protected]> wrote:

>Thanks for that.Some great pics there. The '60's colour schemes on the
>yellow/blue , purple, and yellow with flame job crack me up. Too much
>acid earlier in life.....?

As the owner of the purple one I'd have to say that I truly can't
remember...

Mother wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:11:36 +1300, Brian <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for that.Some great pics there. The '60's colour schemes on the
>> yellow/blue , purple, and yellow with flame job crack me up. Too much
>> acid earlier in life.....?
>
> As the owner of the purple one I'd have to say that I truly can't
> remember...
>

LOL...
And not just any purple.....It's 'Deep Purple'.

But the question needs asking.....WHY?

....and Alex spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


> On 22 Dec 2005 01:15:32 -0800, "Dave P" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> All metals will burn if you get them hot enough.
>
> Melting point of Aluminum: 660 degC
> Boiling pint of Aluminium: 2519 degC
> Combustion temp of Aluminium: 3826 degC
> Temperature of the Sun: 5500 degC
>
> I don't think Buncefield got quite that hot....
>
> Alex

He said *if* you get them hot enough - point proved.

--
Rich
==============================
Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)

....and Badger spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


> Unless you've read the "hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy you wouldn't
> understand.....

Coincidence. Long drive last weekend, stopped at a service area and bought
the full BBC version on CD. Many, many laughs on the way home.

"It's a bit like being drunk."
"What's so terrible about that?"
"Ask a glass of water."


--
Rich
==============================
Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:13:05 +0000, Alex <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 22 Dec 2005 01:15:32 -0800, "Dave P" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>All metals will burn if you get them hot enough.
>
>Melting point of Aluminum: 660 degC

Auto ignition temperature: 649 degC

>Boiling pint of Aluminium: 2519 degC
>Combustion temp of Aluminium: 3826 degC
>Temperature of the Sun: 5500 degC
>
>I don't think Buncefield got quite that hot....

I suspect if it got hot enough to melt the aluminium it got hot enough
to burn it but the oxide protects the surface.

AJH

AJH wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:13:05 +0000, Alex <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On 22 Dec 2005 01:15:32 -0800, "Dave P" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> All metals will burn if you get them hot enough.
>> Melting point of Aluminum: 660 degC
>
> Auto ignition temperature: 649 degC
> .

Eh ? Seen plenty of molten aluminium in air not igniting.

Steve

On or around Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:34:48 -0000, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>...and Badger spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
>
>
>> Unless you've read the "hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy you wouldn't
>> understand.....
>
>Coincidence. Long drive last weekend, stopped at a service area and bought
>the full BBC version on CD. Many, many laughs on the way home.
>
>"It's a bit like being drunk."
>"What's so terrible about that?"
>"Ask a glass of water."

got that on a set of cassettes. dead good, it is.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms...
------------------------------------------------\
>> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them.
a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too!

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:34:02 +0000, Steve Taylor
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> Auto ignition temperature: 649 degC
>> .
>
>Eh ? Seen plenty of molten aluminium in air not igniting.

I think the thin layer of oxide immediately forms on top and prevents
air any access, if you supply it as filings with another oxidant, like
the iron oxide in thermite, it goes ok. Not something I have tried,
though I have cast aluminium and that succeeds without losing the lot.

Also beware that the aluminium can burn without a flame as there will
be no gas phase ( a flame is an area of combining gases if I can
remember O level chemistry lessons 40 years back)

AJH

On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:00:56 +1300, Brian <[email protected]> wrote:

>Mother wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:11:36 +1300, Brian <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for that.Some great pics there. The '60's colour schemes on the
>>> yellow/blue , purple, and yellow with flame job crack me up. Too much
>>> acid earlier in life.....?
>>
>> As the owner of the purple one I'd have to say that I truly can't
>> remember...
>>
>
>LOL...
>And not just any purple.....It's 'Deep Purple'.
>
>But the question needs asking.....WHY?

I'm not trying to answer for Martyn here, but whenever anybody asks me
that question i have to answer 'why not?'

(When i said that i was thinking of painting my 101 red and blue the
other day my mates called me a hippy. I think they met Martyn and
Grumble at billing a few years back... )

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:34:02 +0000, Steve Taylor
<[email protected]> wrote:

>AJH wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:13:05 +0000, Alex <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 22 Dec 2005 01:15:32 -0800, "Dave P" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All metals will burn if you get them hot enough.
>>> Melting point of Aluminum: 660 degC
>>
>> Auto ignition temperature: 649 degC
>> .
>
>Eh ? Seen plenty of molten aluminium in air not igniting.

I thought that with the buncefield explosion and this 101 what
destroyed it was the air movement of the explosion not the heat or
fire.

From what i've read anything solid (like this vampire :-( ) was
knackered but anything that wasnt fixed down or too heavy (like
people) was just thrown around.

I've read stuff about a security guard i think who was thrown across a
room but not actually hurt. which implies to me that it was a very big
bang but not a hot one.

On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:00:56 +1300, Brian <[email protected]> wrote:

>Mother wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:11:36 +1300, Brian <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for that.Some great pics there. The '60's colour schemes on the
>>> yellow/blue , purple, and yellow with flame job crack me up. Too much
>>> acid earlier in life.....?
>>
>> As the owner of the purple one I'd have to say that I truly can't
>> remember...
>>
>
>LOL...
>And not just any purple.....It's 'Deep Purple'.
>

Wasn't that a song by someone?

Alex