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Building a 90 chassis?

Discussion in 'General Land Rover Forum' started by nobber, Jan 31, 2018.

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  1. dieseldog69

    dieseldog69 Well-Known Member LZIR Despatch Agent

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    I remember a thread somewhere about the Richards chassis being accepted for series LRs for sure as the early series were of the same construction, but not 100% on later models?
     
  2. nobber

    nobber Well-Known Member

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    No, they arnt, they use a TD5 rear cross member so technically they are not like for like. Also internal baffles, does the original have internal baffles or what ever it is they spot weld in there? I know this is splitting hairs and I would have no problem fitting one but if VOSA decided to , they could.
     
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    Hicap phill Well-Known Member

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    It's been 25 years from when I last sent a motor for inspection.
    This is done on a points scale.
    Chassis
    Axles
    Gear box
    Engine
    Body work
    All these have different values. You have to list these to and get above a score to keep your reg/age of build.
    A file of receipts for a build helps so do photos.
    This was a series 2 where I converted the existing chassis to take coils. Yes I left the spring hangers on incase I had problems in the future of the age of the chassis.
    Just about retained ref/aged plate.
    And yes it had an engineers report.

    @nobber how long have you had the motor for and have you always had this mot/taxed?
     
  4. Discokids

    Discokids Well-Known Member

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    It's like for like on a td5 then but can't you request they fit a suitable crossmember or is that Richards?
     
  5. nobber

    nobber Well-Known Member

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    This is from the DVSA for rebuilt vehicles, https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/rebuilt-vehicles

    Keep a vehicle’s original registration number
    A rebuilt vehicle can keep its original registration number if you can prove you’ve used:

    • the original unmodified chassis or bodyshell (car or light van)
    • a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original (car or light van)
    • the original unmodified frame (motorbike)
    • a new frame of the same specification as the original (motorbike)
    You must also have 2 other major components from the original vehicle from the following lists.

    For cars or light vans:

    • suspension (front and back)
    • steering assembly
    • axles (both)
    • transmission
    • engine
    For motorbikes:

    • forks
    • wheels
    • engine
    • gear box
    This is for a radically altered vehicle. https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/radically-altered-vehicles

    Keep the original registration number
    Your vehicle must have 8 or more points from the table below if you want to keep the original registration number. 5 of these points must come from having the original or new and unmodified chassis, monocoque bodyshell or frame.


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    Points
    Chassis, monocoque bodyshell (body and chassis as one unit) or frame - original or new and unmodified (direct from manufacturer) 5
    Suspension (front and back) - original 2
    Axles (both) - original 2
    Transmission - original 2
    Steering assembly - original 2
    Engine - original 1

    So even using the points system you cannot use a modified chassis.
     
  6. nobber

    nobber Well-Known Member

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    Had it a good 12 years now, some times it was parked up with no mot or tax but only for short periods. I have all the old tax discs for it, even those from previous owners, so a lot of history.
     
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    The longer you have had your motor The less you are likely to be pulled over for inspection ;)
    I would put a good galv chassis on
    & save your welding time & metal.

    Why would you want the hassle of building a chassis?
     
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    nobber Well-Known Member

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    Its not that much hassle, its never going to be like for like though so I doubt I will be doing it, to get it exactly spot on to the original would be a hell of a job.
     
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    A Richards Chassis is £1890 inc VAT, but don't accept it until you've checked all the dimensions are correct :rolleyes: :(

    Richards Chassis Prices
     
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    I wouldn't buy a Richards chassis, heard to many bad things about them, the whole 2.5mm selling point thing? .5 mm thicker isn't really anything. I am sure they are fine but they seem to be a bit of a gamble.
     
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    That's why I would check dimensions before accepting one in future. :)
     
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    Only problem I would think will be insurance,they don't like modified,my mate and me cut down a disco 1 and fitted a h/ c tub from a 110.All the mount mates perfect and we over engineered everything but because the fuel filler didn't line up perfect they wouldn't pass it till we had a new tube made.No Biggie to do but bit nit nicking we thought.Nfu did cover it in the end and was only a few quid over normal price
     
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    But I want to retain my vehicles ID.
     
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    How many chassis classes are they.

    Like for like would cover its class even if the specs are slightly different. I doubt very much they will be even slightly interested unless it’s re designed.
    It’s not going to go faster or have extra wheels that drop out of thin air if the terrain changes.
    I’m sure your over thinking this. Unless your going into mass production.
     
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    Have a look on this website , if you go onto a product it shows the jigs they're using to weld them up .
    https://www.shielderchassis.com/product/defender-110-200-tdi/
    I agree with Bobsticle, I think when the say " alter the chassis " I think it means drastically alter it , like make it wider add extra axles and I would imagine that by now all the people that are making chassis and part chassis would have had a warning on there web site stating that you need to inform the DVLA and have it checked .
     
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    Adding different outriggers has always been cause for concern. As in building 100" defenders.
    I am going to stick a disco 300tdi rad frame in my '84 110. To do this I need to chop down the mounts which are on the chassis. Technically I'm altering the chassis but oh well:)
     
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