Buggrit! Something has broken in my front axle

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"EMB" > That's all good until the CV joint (if it's a CV thats the problem)
> screams enough and locks up solid, tearing the steering wheel out of your
> hand and firing you off either into the scenery or the opposing traffic.
>
> I'd suggest finding alternative transport and getting it fixed pronto.
>

I agree. Even if the above never happened, the thought of the possibility of
iron filings or even chunks of metal circulating internally and causing
mayhem makes me cringe.

Huw


 
Srtgray wrote:
> For a few weeks I have hearing a "crunking" noise from the front axle
> when turning, particularly at full lock. Today it went "bang" and no
> drive. The thing runs with the diff lock on, so I am guessing that
> something has gone in the front axle, either:
>
> diff
>
> half shaft
>
> CV joint in swivel
>
> 1) what is the safest way to keep mobile (she's my only transport) - I'm
> guessing front prop shaft off and no sudden movements (and drive as
> little as possible)
>
> 2)How do I troubleshoot what exactly is wrong?
>
> I'm guessing that the diff will be the easiest to repair, but that
> question is moot until I know exactly what is wrong.
>
> She's a 1983 110 V8 CSW.
>
> TIA,
> Stuart

Quick update: it seems that it is something on the left side of the
axle, hopefully (in terms of work) the CV joint (haven't dared look at
the cost yet!) Wheel is off, and afer lunch I'll strip down the axle end.

Stuart
 
On or around Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:19:07 +0100, "Oily"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>> >
>> >"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>>
>> I'm not talking anything other than emergency get-you-home measures here,
>> mind.
>>
>
>It would be quite a job removing both shafts at the side of the road as a
>get you home measure. As said earlier, remove front prop, difflock in but I
>would also just remove hub drive plates only while you get home and then fix
>it.

it's not that hard a job though if you have the tools with you. My comments
were in response to the possibility of a sick CVJ giving up and locking up a
front wheel while on the move.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Nessun maggior dolore che ricordarsi del tempo felice nella miseria"
- Dante Alighieri (1265 - 1321) from Divina Commedia 'Inferno'
 
On or around Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:23:42 +0200, Srtgray
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>Quick update: it seems that it is something on the left side of the
>axle, hopefully (in terms of work) the CV joint (haven't dared look at
>the cost yet!) Wheel is off, and afer lunch I'll strip down the axle end.

Paddocks had some ultra-cheap CVJs not long back. I dunno if Beamends
Richard has access to a similar source...

but pattern ones are not silly money anyway. If you do find a broken CVJ
then I reckon you should look at the other side. Chances are they've not
been changed and if one's worn the other will be as well.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
face by frightening people in the street.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:23:42 +0200, Srtgray
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
>>Quick update: it seems that it is something on the left side of the
>>axle, hopefully (in terms of work) the CV joint (haven't dared look at
>>the cost yet!) Wheel is off, and afer lunch I'll strip down the axle end.
>
>
> Paddocks had some ultra-cheap CVJs not long back. I dunno if Beamends
> Richard has access to a similar source...


Well, it was the CVJ - completely shattered, but the ball bearings are
still the right shape... Just ordered one from Richard.
>
> but pattern ones are not silly money anyway. If you do find a broken CVJ
> then I reckon you should look at the other side. Chances are they've not
> been changed and if one's worn the other will be as well.

That was my next question. However, when I got the bit in the Haynes
comic about "drain out the oil from the swivel", there wasn't any (bad
owner! Bad! Must check oil levels EVERYWHERE). Will check that state
on t'other side when I have this one up and running. And refilled with oil.

Stuart
 
On 2006-08-17, Srtgray <[email protected]> wrote:

> That was my next question. However, when I got the bit in the Haynes
> comic about "drain out the oil from the swivel", there wasn't any (bad
> owner! Bad! Must check oil levels EVERYWHERE). Will check that state
> on t'other side when I have this one up and running. And refilled with oil.

Make sure it's not full of one-shot grease first, if so then you don't
need oil in it.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
On or around Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:15:21 +0200, Srtgray
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Well, it was the CVJ - completely shattered, but the ball bearings are
>still the right shape... Just ordered one from Richard.
>>
>That was my next question. However, when I got the bit in the Haynes
>comic about "drain out the oil from the swivel", there wasn't any (bad
>owner! Bad! Must check oil levels EVERYWHERE). Will check that state
>on t'other side when I have this one up and running. And refilled with oil.
>

If I were you I'd put one-shot grease into it.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Too Busy: Your mind is like a motorway. Sometimes it can be jammed by
too much traffic. Avoid the jams by never using your mind on a
Bank Holiday weekend.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:15:21 +0200, Srtgray
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
>>Well, it was the CVJ - completely shattered, but the ball bearings are
>>still the right shape... Just ordered one from Richard.
>>
>>That was my next question. However, when I got the bit in the Haynes
>>comic about "drain out the oil from the swivel", there wasn't any (bad
>>owner! Bad! Must check oil levels EVERYWHERE). Will check that state
>>on t'other side when I have this one up and running. And refilled with oil.
>>
>
>
> If I were you I'd put one-shot grease into it.
>

OK whatisit? The bits that came out were pleasantly smeared with a red
substance, and a few dribbles of oil did come out.

Stuart
 
On or around Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:58:29 +0200, Srtgray
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>> On or around Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:15:21 +0200, Srtgray
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>
>>>Well, it was the CVJ - completely shattered, but the ball bearings are
>>>still the right shape... Just ordered one from Richard.
>>>
>>>That was my next question. However, when I got the bit in the Haynes
>>>comic about "drain out the oil from the swivel", there wasn't any (bad
>>>owner! Bad! Must check oil levels EVERYWHERE). Will check that state
>>>on t'other side when I have this one up and running. And refilled with oil.
>>>
>>
>>
>> If I were you I'd put one-shot grease into it.
>>
>
>OK whatisit? The bits that came out were pleasantly smeared with a red
>substance, and a few dribbles of oil did come out.

one-shot grease is similar to CV joint grease, it's greasy when cold and
flows when warm. for installing it, a bucket of hot water is good; put the
grease (unopened) into the bucket to warm it up first. also, turn the
steering to full lock, then the swivel is out of the way of the filling
hole.

your red scunge is rust and the remains of the ep90 that should have been in
the swivel... clean it out as much as is practical.

one-shot comes in 1-swivel sized pouches or squeezy bottles, depending on
whether it's genuine or not. If you buy genuine LR you get a neat little
pair of stickers to put under the bonnet somewhere saying "this swivel is
filled with one-shot grease, do not drain"

Your 110, if early, may have railko top bushes. If so there's some doubt as
to whether the one-shot lubes them well enough, but I reckon provided you're
not only doing short journeys in the middle of winter it gets fairly runny
and throws about nicely inside the swivel. it gets runny enough to leak if
your swivel seals are shot...

The big problem with lubing those bushes is on series motors fitted with
free-wheeling hubs, 'cos the shaft doesn't spin while the hubs are
disengaged, so no oil gets thrown.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
face by frightening people in the street.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:58:29 +0200, Srtgray
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >Austin Shackles wrote:
> >> On or around Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:15:21 +0200, Srtgray
> >> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Well, it was the CVJ - completely shattered, but the ball bearings are
> >>>still the right shape... Just ordered one from Richard.
> >>>
> >>>That was my next question. However, when I got the bit in the Haynes
> >>>comic about "drain out the oil from the swivel", there wasn't any (bad
> >>>owner! Bad! Must check oil levels EVERYWHERE). Will check that state
> >>>on t'other side when I have this one up and running. And refilled with oil.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> If I were you I'd put one-shot grease into it.
> >>
> >
> >OK whatisit? The bits that came out were pleasantly smeared with a red
> >substance, and a few dribbles of oil did come out.
>
> one-shot grease is similar to CV joint grease, it's greasy when cold and
> flows when warm. for installing it, a bucket of hot water is good; put the
> grease (unopened) into the bucket to warm it up first. also, turn the
> steering to full lock, then the swivel is out of the way of the filling
> hole.
>
> your red scunge is rust and the remains of the ep90 that should have been in
> the swivel... clean it out as much as is practical.
>
> one-shot comes in 1-swivel sized pouches or squeezy bottles, depending on
> whether it's genuine or not. If you buy genuine LR you get a neat little
> pair of stickers to put under the bonnet somewhere saying "this swivel is
> filled with one-shot grease, do not drain"
>

Britpart supply it in tubes too (£5.00 each) - no need to warm it up,
just roll the tube up with little pipe (supplied) in the housing
like a toothpaste tube.
The bottles are a pain - don't bother with them (we don't stock them
any more).

> Your 110, if early, may have railko top bushes. If so there's some doubt as
> to whether the one-shot lubes them well enough, but I reckon provided you're
> not only doing short journeys in the middle of winter it gets fairly runny
> and throws about nicely inside the swivel. it gets runny enough to leak if
> your swivel seals are shot...
>
> The big problem with lubing those bushes is on series motors fitted with
> free-wheeling hubs, 'cos the shaft doesn't spin while the hubs are
> disengaged, so no oil gets thrown.
>

Richard
--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 

"beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:7a963f584e%[email protected]...
> In message <[email protected]>
> Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On or around Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:58:29 +0200, Srtgray
> > <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> >
> > >Austin Shackles wrote:
> > >> On or around Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:15:21 +0200, Srtgray
> > >> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Well, it was the CVJ - completely shattered, but the ball bearings
are
> > >>>still the right shape... Just ordered one from Richard.
> > >>>
> > >>>That was my next question. However, when I got the bit in the Haynes
> > >>>comic about "drain out the oil from the swivel", there wasn't any
(bad
> > >>>owner! Bad! Must check oil levels EVERYWHERE). Will check that
state
> > >>>on t'other side when I have this one up and running. And refilled
with oil.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> If I were you I'd put one-shot grease into it.
> > >>
> > >
> > >OK whatisit? The bits that came out were pleasantly smeared with a red
> > >substance, and a few dribbles of oil did come out.
> >
> > one-shot grease is similar to CV joint grease, it's greasy when cold and
> > flows when warm. for installing it, a bucket of hot water is good; put
the
> > grease (unopened) into the bucket to warm it up first. also, turn the
> > steering to full lock, then the swivel is out of the way of the filling
> > hole.
> >
> > your red scunge is rust and the remains of the ep90 that should have
been in
> > the swivel... clean it out as much as is practical.
> >
> > one-shot comes in 1-swivel sized pouches or squeezy bottles, depending
on
> > whether it's genuine or not. If you buy genuine LR you get a neat
little
> > pair of stickers to put under the bonnet somewhere saying "this swivel
is
> > filled with one-shot grease, do not drain"
> >
>
> Britpart supply it in tubes too (£5.00 each) - no need to warm it up,
> just roll the tube up with little pipe (supplied) in the housing
> like a toothpaste tube.
> The bottles are a pain - don't bother with them (we don't stock them
> any more).
>

Why buy Britpart?, it's only 40p dearer for genuine, which is what I stock,
and it comes in a handy sachet.

Martin

> > Your 110, if early, may have railko top bushes. If so there's some
doubt as
> > to whether the one-shot lubes them well enough, but I reckon provided
you're
> > not only doing short journeys in the middle of winter it gets fairly
runny
> > and throws about nicely inside the swivel. it gets runny enough to leak
if
> > your swivel seals are shot...
> >
> > The big problem with lubing those bushes is on series motors fitted with
> > free-wheeling hubs, 'cos the shaft doesn't spin while the hubs are
> > disengaged, so no oil gets thrown.
> >
>
>


 
On or around Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:18:00 +0100, "Oily"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>> Britpart supply it in tubes too (£5.00 each) - no need to warm it up,
>> just roll the tube up with little pipe (supplied) in the housing
>> like a toothpaste tube.
>> The bottles are a pain - don't bother with them (we don't stock them
>> any more).
>>
>
>Why buy Britpart?, it's only 40p dearer for genuine, which is what I stock,
>and it comes in a handy sachet.
>

I think Richard was making the point that the Britpart stuff now comes in
sachets as well. I daresay the grease inside is much the same.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
 
In message <[email protected]>
"Oily" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:7a963f584e%[email protected]...
> > In message <[email protected]>
> > Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > On or around Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:58:29 +0200, Srtgray
> > > <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> > >
> > > >Austin Shackles wrote:
> > > >> On or around Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:15:21 +0200, Srtgray
> > > >> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>Well, it was the CVJ - completely shattered, but the ball bearings
> are
> > > >>>still the right shape... Just ordered one from Richard.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>That was my next question. However, when I got the bit in the Haynes
> > > >>>comic about "drain out the oil from the swivel", there wasn't any
> (bad
> > > >>>owner! Bad! Must check oil levels EVERYWHERE). Will check that
> state
> > > >>>on t'other side when I have this one up and running. And refilled
> with oil.
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> If I were you I'd put one-shot grease into it.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >OK whatisit? The bits that came out were pleasantly smeared with a red
> > > >substance, and a few dribbles of oil did come out.
> > >
> > > one-shot grease is similar to CV joint grease, it's greasy when cold and
> > > flows when warm. for installing it, a bucket of hot water is good; put
> the
> > > grease (unopened) into the bucket to warm it up first. also, turn the
> > > steering to full lock, then the swivel is out of the way of the filling
> > > hole.
> > >
> > > your red scunge is rust and the remains of the ep90 that should have
> been in
> > > the swivel... clean it out as much as is practical.
> > >
> > > one-shot comes in 1-swivel sized pouches or squeezy bottles, depending
> on
> > > whether it's genuine or not. If you buy genuine LR you get a neat
> little
> > > pair of stickers to put under the bonnet somewhere saying "this swivel
> is
> > > filled with one-shot grease, do not drain"
> > >
> >
> > Britpart supply it in tubes too (£5.00 each) - no need to warm it up,
> > just roll the tube up with little pipe (supplied) in the housing
> > like a toothpaste tube.
> > The bottles are a pain - don't bother with them (we don't stock them
> > any more).
> >
>
> Why buy Britpart?, it's only 40p dearer for genuine, which is what I stock,
> and it comes in a handy sachet.

As per Britpart - but the Britpart sachet's come with a tube
to fits to the nozzle which goes into the housing, rather than having
the dodgy cut-off "spout" which the Genuine ones have - which we
also stock for those that want it. The Britpart ones are also suppplied
on a box, which makes delivery a *lot* cleaner - the LR ones are
inclined to split in transit (or any other make of van).

Richard

>
> Martin
>
> > > Your 110, if early, may have railko top bushes. If so there's some
> doubt as
> > > to whether the one-shot lubes them well enough, but I reckon provided
> you're
> > > not only doing short journeys in the middle of winter it gets fairly
> runny
> > > and throws about nicely inside the swivel. it gets runny enough to leak
> if
> > > your swivel seals are shot...
> > >
> > > The big problem with lubing those bushes is on series motors fitted with
> > > free-wheeling hubs, 'cos the shaft doesn't spin while the hubs are
> > > disengaged, so no oil gets thrown.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:50:58 +0200, Srtgray wrote:


>>
>>
> We (SWMBO and I) think it was the left.
>
> Stuart

Did you get that fuel tank ok?

Eddie
--

If you don't know who's watching the watchmen.
The watchmen are raiding the warehouse!

 
Corp-Rat wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:50:58 +0200, Srtgray wrote:
>
>
>
>>>
>>We (SWMBO and I) think it was the left.
>>
>>Stuart
>
>
> Did you get that fuel tank ok?
>
> Eddie

It's still sitting at MiL's place, but BiL should be coming over
sometime later this year with it. Ta!

Stuart
 
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