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Tom Woods

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either the diff or a halfshaft on my 2A broke this weekend.

Is it more likely to be a halfshaft or is it possible for anything in
the diff to work itself loose and thus stop working properly?
i've had a slight overrun/gearchange rattle for a while now (which
isnt down to the prop).

It went without any noticeable noise as i was about to reverse up a
hill and I'd have expected a bang or something for snapping a
halfshaft!

I just all of a sudden lost the ability to go anywhere in reverse in
2wd. According to observers the rear prop was spinning but neither
wheel does. Its fine in 4wd.

Strangely after i drove it out of the way in 4wd i tried it in 2wd
drive again, and found that i could go forward but not backward. After
this i parked up and gave up for the day.

When i next started it I found that it would now not go forward or
backward in 2wd, so drove home in 4WD.


How do you work out which halfshaft has gone?
I presume that if i just jack up the rear end and then start it and
leave it in gear and 2wd nothing should happen as the broken shaft
will be getting all the drive?
 
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:19:50 +0000, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:

>
>either the diff or a halfshaft on my 2A broke this weekend.
>
>Is it more likely to be a halfshaft or is it possible for anything in
>the diff to work itself loose and thus stop working properly?
>i've had a slight overrun/gearchange rattle for a while now (which
>isnt down to the prop).
>
>It went without any noticeable noise as i was about to reverse up a
>hill and I'd have expected a bang or something for snapping a
>halfshaft!
>
>I just all of a sudden lost the ability to go anywhere in reverse in
>2wd. According to observers the rear prop was spinning but neither
>wheel does. Its fine in 4wd.
>
>Strangely after i drove it out of the way in 4wd i tried it in 2wd
>drive again, and found that i could go forward but not backward. After
>this i parked up and gave up for the day.
>
>When i next started it I found that it would now not go forward or
>backward in 2wd, so drove home in 4WD.
>
>
>How do you work out which halfshaft has gone?
>I presume that if i just jack up the rear end and then start it and
>leave it in gear and 2wd nothing should happen as the broken shaft
>will be getting all the drive?

Jack up the left corner, spin the wheel, if the prop turns, the
halfshaft is ok, if it doesn't, its shot.

Lower and repeat on RH to double check. If both wheels turn and the
prop does not, I would suspect a diff failure.
--

Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Chairman, Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director
101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk
1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body shell, being bobbed and modded.....
 
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:22:41 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Jack up the left corner, spin the wheel, if the prop turns, the
>halfshaft is ok, if it doesn't, its shot.
>
>Lower and repeat on RH to double check. If both wheels turn and the
>prop does not, I would suspect a diff failure.

doh! so simple!
 

"Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> either the diff or a halfshaft on my 2A broke this weekend.
>
> Is it more likely to be a halfshaft or is it possible for anything in
> the diff to work itself loose and thus stop working properly?
> i've had a slight overrun/gearchange rattle for a while now (which
> isnt down to the prop).
>
> It went without any noticeable noise as i was about to reverse up a
> hill and I'd have expected a bang or something for snapping a
> halfshaft!
>
> I just all of a sudden lost the ability to go anywhere in reverse in
> 2wd. According to observers the rear prop was spinning but neither
> wheel does. Its fine in 4wd.
>
> Strangely after i drove it out of the way in 4wd i tried it in 2wd
> drive again, and found that i could go forward but not backward. After
> this i parked up and gave up for the day.
>
> When i next started it I found that it would now not go forward or
> backward in 2wd, so drove home in 4WD.
>
>
> How do you work out which halfshaft has gone?
> I presume that if i just jack up the rear end and then start it and
> leave it in gear and 2wd nothing should happen as the broken shaft
> will be getting all the drive?

You will have to remove the six 3/8" diameter bolts from any side rear shaft
and pull it out to have a look. If the first one you remove is ok then take
out the other and look at that. If you struggle to pull one out then that is
likely to be the broken one as they spread as they break. Usually easy to
remove but sometimes I've seen them need a couple of crowbars behind the
driving flange to prise out. If the diff was at fault you would probably
have heard some horrible noises as you drove it home in 4wd but I've seen
them where all the crown wheel securing bolts have either fallen out or
broken and they have not made any noises driving home in 4wd. Not uncommon
for a 2A gearbox layshaft to break soon after a halfshaft if the Landrover
has had some hard use.

HTH Martin


 


Oily wrote:

>
> You will have to remove the six 3/8" diameter bolts from any side rear shaft
> and pull it out to have a look. If the first one you remove is ok then take
> out the other and look at that. If you struggle to pull one out then that is
> likely to be the broken one as they spread as they break. Usually easy to
> remove but sometimes I've seen them need a couple of crowbars behind the
> driving flange to prise out. If the diff was at fault you would probably
> have heard some horrible noises as you drove it home in 4wd but I've seen
> them where all the crown wheel securing bolts have either fallen out or
> broken and they have not made any noises driving home in 4wd. Not uncommon
> for a 2A gearbox layshaft to break soon after a halfshaft if the Landrover
> has had some hard use.
>
> HTH Martin

Try Simon's solution first ;-)
Erik-Jan.
 
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:07:38 +0100, Erik-Jan Geniets
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>Oily wrote:
>
>>
>> You will have to remove the six 3/8" diameter bolts from any side rear shaft
>> and pull it out to have a look. If the first one you remove is ok then take
>> out the other and look at that. If you struggle to pull one out then that is
>> likely to be the broken one as they spread as they break. Usually easy to
>> remove but sometimes I've seen them need a couple of crowbars behind the
>> driving flange to prise out. If the diff was at fault you would probably
>> have heard some horrible noises as you drove it home in 4wd but I've seen
>> them where all the crown wheel securing bolts have either fallen out or
>> broken and they have not made any noises driving home in 4wd. Not uncommon
>> for a 2A gearbox layshaft to break soon after a halfshaft if the Landrover
>> has had some hard use.
>>
>> HTH Martin

Should a halfshaft make a sound when it goes?. im suspicious of the
diff since it lost reverse before forwards..
>
>Try Simon's solution first ;-)

yep, will definately try simons method first! sounds a bit easier!

it did make a few metallic rattles on the way home in 4wd, but nothing
louder than i'd consider normal for a landrover!

turning sharp corners in fwd was also very wierd but i presume that is
just the UJ's in the front halfshafts binding - and why they changed
to CV's in permenant 4wd cars.


 
Tom Woods wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:07:38 +0100, Erik-Jan Geniets
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Oily wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> You will have to remove the six 3/8" diameter bolts from any side
>>> rear shaft and pull it out to have a look. If the first one you
>>> remove is ok then take out the other and look at that. If you
>>> struggle to pull one out then that is likely to be the broken one
>>> as they spread as they break. Usually easy to remove but sometimes
>>> I've seen them need a couple of crowbars behind the driving flange
>>> to prise out. If the diff was at fault you would probably have
>>> heard some horrible noises as you drove it home in 4wd but I've
>>> seen them where all the crown wheel securing bolts have either
>>> fallen out or broken and they have not made any noises driving home
>>> in 4wd. Not uncommon for a 2A gearbox layshaft to break soon after
>>> a halfshaft if the Landrover has had some hard use.
>>>
>>> HTH Martin
>
> Should a halfshaft make a sound when it goes?. im suspicious of the
> diff since it lost reverse before forwards..
>>
>> Try Simon's solution first ;-)
>
> yep, will definately try simons method first! sounds a bit easier!
>
> it did make a few metallic rattles on the way home in 4wd, but nothing
> louder than i'd consider normal for a landrover!
>
> turning sharp corners in fwd was also very wierd but i presume that is
> just the UJ's in the front halfshafts binding - and why they changed
> to CV's in permenant 4wd cars.

It's also possible you've lost the layshaft at the rear - on the 2a it falls
in & out of alignment, first & reverse throw it out immediately, third may
give forward movement a little, fourth will give full drive but clatter as
the layshaft wobbles about inside the box.

Halfshafts do tend to go with a slight bang, followed by the engine racing
as the load is removed. Diff's tend to make lots of noise if anything goes
wrong in there. Halfshaft is the most likely to have gone, typically at the
diff end so you'd have to remove the diff just to get the broken stub out.

Karen

--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
- Slartibartfast


 
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:39:45 +1000, "Karen Gallagher"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>It's also possible you've lost the layshaft at the rear - on the 2a it falls
>in & out of alignment, first & reverse throw it out immediately, third may
>give forward movement a little, fourth will give full drive but clatter as
>the layshaft wobbles about inside the box.

Ive got a series 3 gearbox which is fairly nice and quiet and well
behaved.

>Halfshafts do tend to go with a slight bang, followed by the engine racing
>as the load is removed. Diff's tend to make lots of noise if anything goes
>wrong in there. Halfshaft is the most likely to have gone, typically at the
>diff end so you'd have to remove the diff just to get the broken stub out.

It made no noticable noise.

I drove down a steep hill and stopped facing downwards resting the
front of the landy against a tree! (i dont trust the handbrake),
leaving it running while i unloaded the back.

I then got back in and put it in reverse to move away and it just
didnt go anywhere when i revved it. I initially thought i'd just
knocked the transfer box into neutral or something or hadnt got it in
gear.

 

"Simon Isaacs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:19:50 +0000, Tom Woods
> <[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:
>
> >
> >either the diff or a halfshaft on my 2A broke this weekend.
> >
> >Is it more likely to be a halfshaft or is it possible for anything in
> >the diff to work itself loose and thus stop working properly?
> >i've had a slight overrun/gearchange rattle for a while now (which
> >isnt down to the prop).
> >
> >It went without any noticeable noise as i was about to reverse up a
> >hill and I'd have expected a bang or something for snapping a
> >halfshaft!
> >
> >I just all of a sudden lost the ability to go anywhere in reverse in
> >2wd. According to observers the rear prop was spinning but neither
> >wheel does. Its fine in 4wd.
> >
> >Strangely after i drove it out of the way in 4wd i tried it in 2wd
> >drive again, and found that i could go forward but not backward. After
> >this i parked up and gave up for the day.
> >
> >When i next started it I found that it would now not go forward or
> >backward in 2wd, so drove home in 4WD.
> >
> >
> >How do you work out which halfshaft has gone?
> >I presume that if i just jack up the rear end and then start it and
> >leave it in gear and 2wd nothing should happen as the broken shaft
> >will be getting all the drive?
>
> Jack up the left corner, spin the wheel, if the prop turns, the
> halfshaft is ok, if it doesn't, its shot.
>
This is, of course, assuming that the handbrake is not on, the main box is
in neutral, front wheel drive is not selected and the broken halfshaft or
whatever is not driving through friction as there is no load (or shouldn't
be in this situation) on the prop?

> Lower and repeat on RH to double check. If both wheels turn and the
> prop does not, I would suspect a diff failure.
>
If both wheels turn after the left one is lowered to the ground and the
right one lifted then it would be a miracle. :) Now why should no drive
to the prop on the left side mean broken halfshaft and no drive to the prop
on the right side mean diff failure? If you had a broken halfshaft on one
side it wouldn't matter which side you lifted, you wouldn't be any the wiser
as the one with the intact halfshaft would just turn the diff gears but
still not turn the prop, just the broken bit in the diff. Now I was only
trying to help but you will *have* to remove one or both shafts to be
absolutely sure! Now I know a little bit more about landrovers than
computers so if you explained to me why my post didn't appear to have been
sent, then I would be inclined to believe you.

Martin.


 
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:11:15 +0000 (UTC), "Oily"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Simon Isaacs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:19:50 +0000, Tom Woods
>> <[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:
>>
> Now I was only
>trying to help but you will *have* to remove one or both shafts to be
>absolutely sure!

It sounds like i'll have to remove them both while fixing anyway even
if i can work out exactly which one is broken!

I was just hoping that there would be an easy way to test it that i
could do without taking anything apart ;) - will give me a clue what
im up against!


 

"Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:11:15 +0000 (UTC), "Oily"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Simon Isaacs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:19:50 +0000, Tom Woods
> >> <[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:
> >>
> > Now I was only
> >trying to help but you will *have* to remove one or both shafts to be
> >absolutely sure!
>
> It sounds like i'll have to remove them both while fixing anyway even
> if i can work out exactly which one is broken!
>
> I was just hoping that there would be an easy way to test it that i
> could do without taking anything apart ;) - will give me a clue what
> im up against!
>
>
As you say you will have to remove them both if you need to take the diff
out to get at the broken bit. I have two pieces of 3/8" stainless bar about
a metre long and one of them with half cut away to a 'D' section for 3 or 4
inches of its length, the second piece is to recover the first. With both
shafts removed and the flattened piece inserted through the diff carrier
past the centre shaft and carefully positioned, a calculated sharp knock
with a lump hammer will send the broken piece flying out of the diff into
the axle casing at the other side where it can easily be hooked out with a
bit of looped welding wire and the diff flushed out to remove any unwanted
bits, only recommended if you are in a hurry. Taking the diff out is only a
pain if you are doing it on your back.

Martin.


 

>
>Should a halfshaft make a sound when it goes?. im suspicious of the
>diff since it lost reverse before forwards..
>>
>>Try Simon's solution first ;-)
>
>yep, will definately try simons method first! sounds a bit easier!
>
>it did make a few metallic rattles on the way home in 4wd, but nothing
>louder than i'd consider normal for a landrover!
>
>turning sharp corners in fwd was also very wierd but i presume that is
>just the UJ's in the front halfshafts binding - and why they changed
>to CV's in permenant 4wd cars.
>

I've had a halfshaft shear in a IIa, the only reason i noticed was
because it got halfway round the corner and then it wouldn't speed up.
A slight thump was all i noticed, no more than the sort of bump you'd
get from dropping the clutch in a bit too sharply. Dropped the 4wd in
and carried on.

Yes, the steering does tend to pull a bit in odd ways if driving on
just the front of a Series. The lack of CV joints means than when
going round corners the wheels do not rotate at a constant speed, due
to the nature of a UJ - it's angular velocity is not constant when
operating at an angle, which is why you need to have a second one at
the same angle to compensate at the other end - which you havn't got
on the front axle.

Alex


 
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:11:15 +0000 (UTC), "Oily"
<[email protected]> scribbled the following
nonsense:

>
>"Simon Isaacs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:19:50 +0000, Tom Woods
>> <[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:
>>
>
>> Lower and repeat on RH to double check. If both wheels turn and the
>> prop does not, I would suspect a diff failure.
>>
>If both wheels turn after the left one is lowered to the ground and the
>right one lifted then it would be a miracle. :) Now why should no drive
>to the prop on the left side mean broken halfshaft and no drive to the prop
>on the right side mean diff failure? If you had a broken halfshaft on one
>side it wouldn't matter which side you lifted, you wouldn't be any the wiser
>as the one with the intact halfshaft would just turn the diff gears but
>still not turn the prop, just the broken bit in the diff. Now I was only
>trying to help but you will *have* to remove one or both shafts to be
>absolutely sure! Now I know a little bit more about landrovers than
>computers so if you explained to me why my post didn't appear to have been
>sent, then I would be inclined to believe you.
>
>Martin.
>

difficult to explain. You check one side, and then the other. The
theory (and practice IME) is that the side with the snapped halfshaft
will no turn the diff because the wheel and diff no longer have the
physical link connecting them.

You always check both sides to confirm.

Lets say the left hand wheel does not turn the prop, but the rh does,
I normally suspect a halfshaft failure on the LH.

If the LH does not turn the prop, and the RH dopes not turn it either,
it normally indicates something more severe.

I have diagnosed several halfshaft failures this way when in comps,
and also identified a crown wheel failure in the diff by this method,
in that the diff turned for a bit, then didn't, then turned for a bit
then didn't when both corners were checked.
--

Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Chairman, Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director
101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk
1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body shell, being bobbed and modded.....
 
Tom Woods wrote:

>
> either the diff or a halfshaft on my 2A broke this weekend.
>
> Is it more likely to be a halfshaft or is it possible for anything in
> the diff to work itself loose and thus stop working properly?
> i've had a slight overrun/gearchange rattle for a while now (which
> isnt down to the prop).
>
> It went without any noticeable noise as i was about to reverse up a
> hill and I'd have expected a bang or something for snapping a
> halfshaft!
>
> I just all of a sudden lost the ability to go anywhere in reverse in
> 2wd. According to observers the rear prop was spinning but neither
> wheel does. Its fine in 4wd.
>
> Strangely after i drove it out of the way in 4wd i tried it in 2wd
> drive again, and found that i could go forward but not backward. After
> this i parked up and gave up for the day.
>
> When i next started it I found that it would now not go forward or
> backward in 2wd, so drove home in 4WD.
>
>
> How do you work out which halfshaft has gone?
> I presume that if i just jack up the rear end and then start it and
> leave it in gear and 2wd nothing should happen as the broken shaft
> will be getting all the drive?

It is more likely to be a half shaft - but last time this happened to me it
was the shaft the pinions in the diff centre turn on broke, resulting in a
a few teeth off the sun and planet wheels, but no extraneous noises or
drive. Happened driving up a rough stony hill close to the limit of
adhesion in 2wd, but as the 2a was empty I don't think the damage was done
then. I was able to start off driving the front wheels only, as there was
more weight on the front wheels.
JD
 

"JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Tom Woods wrote:
>
>>
>> either the diff or a halfshaft on my 2A broke this weekend.
>>
>> Is it more likely to be a halfshaft or is it possible for anything in
>> the diff to work itself loose and thus stop working properly?
>> i've had a slight overrun/gearchange rattle for a while now (which
>> isnt down to the prop).
>>
>> It went without any noticeable noise as i was about to reverse up a
>> hill and I'd have expected a bang or something for snapping a
>> halfshaft!
>>
>> I just all of a sudden lost the ability to go anywhere in reverse in
>> 2wd. According to observers the rear prop was spinning but neither
>> wheel does. Its fine in 4wd.
>>
>> Strangely after i drove it out of the way in 4wd i tried it in 2wd
>> drive again, and found that i could go forward but not backward. After
>> this i parked up and gave up for the day.
>>
>> When i next started it I found that it would now not go forward or
>> backward in 2wd, so drove home in 4WD.
>>
>>
>> How do you work out which halfshaft has gone?
>> I presume that if i just jack up the rear end and then start it and
>> leave it in gear and 2wd nothing should happen as the broken shaft
>> will be getting all the drive?
>
> It is more likely to be a half shaft - but last time this happened to me
> it
> was the shaft the pinions in the diff centre turn on broke, resulting in a
> a few teeth off the sun and planet wheels, but no extraneous noises or
> drive. Happened driving up a rough stony hill close to the limit of
> adhesion in 2wd, but as the 2a was empty I don't think the damage was done
> then. I was able to start off driving the front wheels only, as there was
> more weight on the front wheels.
> JD

Hi Tom

If your nearish W.Yorks I have half shafts and diffs available for a small
donation to the 110 suspension lift fund.

Icky


 

> >"Simon Isaacs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:19:50 +0000, Tom Woods
> >> <[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:
> >>
> >
> >> Lower and repeat on RH to double check. If both wheels turn and the
> >> prop does not, I would suspect a diff failure.
> >>
> >If both wheels turn after the left one is lowered to the ground and the
> >right one lifted then it would be a miracle. :) Now why should no
drive
> >to the prop on the left side mean broken halfshaft and no drive to the
prop
> >on the right side mean diff failure? If you had a broken halfshaft on
one
> >side it wouldn't matter which side you lifted, you wouldn't be any the
wiser
> >as the one with the intact halfshaft would just turn the diff gears but
> >still not turn the prop, just the broken bit in the diff. Now I was
only
> >trying to help but you will *have* to remove one or both shafts to be
> >absolutely sure! Now I know a little bit more about landrovers than
> >computers so if you explained to me why my post didn't appear to have
been
> >sent, then I would be inclined to believe you.
> >
> >Martin.
> >
>
> difficult to explain. You check one side, and then the other. The
> theory (and practice IME) is that the side with the snapped halfshaft
> will no turn the diff because the wheel and diff no longer have the
> physical link connecting them.
>

Not difficult to explain, always remove to check. Where's the theory (or
practice) in that? Neither will the unbroken halfshaft turn the diff, only
the diff gears, but not the diff carrier, crown wheel, pinion or prop
because the broken bit on the other side will spin but not the full shaft.

> You always check both sides to confirm.
>

Absolutely

> Lets say the left hand wheel does not turn the prop, but the rh does,
> I normally suspect a halfshaft failure on the LH.
>

Only possible with a locked or limited slip diff or if the bits have jammed
it up.

> If the LH does not turn the prop, and the RH dopes not turn it either,
> it normally indicates something more severe.
>

Or just a broken halfshaft.

> I have diagnosed several halfshaft failures this way when in comps,
> and also identified a crown wheel failure in the diff by this method,
> in that the diff turned for a bit, then didn't, then turned for a bit
> then didn't when both corners were checked.
>

Ahhh.. Enlightenment, "when in comps" were we using LSDs etc?

Martin :)


 
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:10:59 GMT, "icky"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Tom Woods wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> either the diff or a halfshaft on my 2A broke this weekend.
>>>
>>> Is it more likely to be a halfshaft or is it possible for anything in
>>> the diff to work itself loose and thus stop working properly?
>>> i've had a slight overrun/gearchange rattle for a while now (which
>>> isnt down to the prop).
>>>
>>> It went without any noticeable noise as i was about to reverse up a
>>> hill and I'd have expected a bang or something for snapping a
>>> halfshaft!
>>>
>>> I just all of a sudden lost the ability to go anywhere in reverse in
>>> 2wd. According to observers the rear prop was spinning but neither
>>> wheel does. Its fine in 4wd.
>>>
>>> Strangely after i drove it out of the way in 4wd i tried it in 2wd
>>> drive again, and found that i could go forward but not backward. After
>>> this i parked up and gave up for the day.
>>>
>>> When i next started it I found that it would now not go forward or
>>> backward in 2wd, so drove home in 4WD.
>>>
>>>
>>> How do you work out which halfshaft has gone?
>>> I presume that if i just jack up the rear end and then start it and
>>> leave it in gear and 2wd nothing should happen as the broken shaft
>>> will be getting all the drive?
>>
>> It is more likely to be a half shaft - but last time this happened to me
>> it
>> was the shaft the pinions in the diff centre turn on broke, resulting in a
>> a few teeth off the sun and planet wheels, but no extraneous noises or
>> drive. Happened driving up a rough stony hill close to the limit of
>> adhesion in 2wd, but as the 2a was empty I don't think the damage was done
>> then. I was able to start off driving the front wheels only, as there was
>> more weight on the front wheels.
>> JD
>
>Hi Tom
>
>If your nearish W.Yorks I have half shafts and diffs available for a small
>donation to the 110 suspension lift fund.
>
>Icky
>

And I'll be travelling from Yorks to Lee's green-lane thingy on the
8th....

--
Tim Hobbs
 
Hi Tim

Having driven it in a broken state, and if it is a shaft... In my experience
you will have been VERY lucky if shards of half shaft haven't Knackered the
diff anyway.
I thing I have found useful to prevent it happening a week after you've put
it back together is to put the strongest magnet you can find into poly
bag(s) and run it round the casing before you re-assemble. Its amazing what
you can find.

Best of luck




"Tim Hobbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:10:59 GMT, "icky"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> Tom Woods wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> either the diff or a halfshaft on my 2A broke this weekend.
> >>>
> >>> Is it more likely to be a halfshaft or is it possible for anything in
> >>> the diff to work itself loose and thus stop working properly?
> >>> i've had a slight overrun/gearchange rattle for a while now (which
> >>> isnt down to the prop).
> >>>
> >>> It went without any noticeable noise as i was about to reverse up a
> >>> hill and I'd have expected a bang or something for snapping a
> >>> halfshaft!
> >>>
> >>> I just all of a sudden lost the ability to go anywhere in reverse in
> >>> 2wd. According to observers the rear prop was spinning but neither
> >>> wheel does. Its fine in 4wd.
> >>>
> >>> Strangely after i drove it out of the way in 4wd i tried it in 2wd
> >>> drive again, and found that i could go forward but not backward. After
> >>> this i parked up and gave up for the day.
> >>>
> >>> When i next started it I found that it would now not go forward or
> >>> backward in 2wd, so drove home in 4WD.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> How do you work out which halfshaft has gone?
> >>> I presume that if i just jack up the rear end and then start it and
> >>> leave it in gear and 2wd nothing should happen as the broken shaft
> >>> will be getting all the drive?
> >>
> >> It is more likely to be a half shaft - but last time this happened to
me
> >> it
> >> was the shaft the pinions in the diff centre turn on broke, resulting
in a
> >> a few teeth off the sun and planet wheels, but no extraneous noises or
> >> drive. Happened driving up a rough stony hill close to the limit of
> >> adhesion in 2wd, but as the 2a was empty I don't think the damage was
done
> >> then. I was able to start off driving the front wheels only, as there
was
> >> more weight on the front wheels.
> >> JD
> >
> >Hi Tom
> >
> >If your nearish W.Yorks I have half shafts and diffs available for a
small
> >donation to the 110 suspension lift fund.
> >
> >Icky
> >
>
> And I'll be travelling from Yorks to Lee's green-lane thingy on the
> 8th....
>
> --
> Tim Hobbs


 
I've not had chance to look at it yet. Thats the plan for tommorrow.

It is however leaking out lots of oil through the outer hub seal on
one side at the rear and i had virtually no leak before - so whatever
has happened has disturbed the hub.

Icky - i might take you up on that half shaft, and Tim on the lift
down for it!. There might still be a shaft in the garage at my old
house - I shall be checking that out at the weekend.

If i cant get this fixed before Lee's big day out then my landy isnt
coming - hopefully i can find a substitute chariot otherwise i will be
asking people nicely for lifts ;)

I've been thinking about the landy, and if this had happened 2 days
earlier - before my MOT - then i'd be parking the landy up and leaving
it to fester till either the end of the summer or next year when i
hope to have more time and tuits to work on it!. Its now holding up
work on the 101 and the house!
 
..

"Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've not had chance to look at it yet. Thats the plan for tommorrow.
>
> It is however leaking out lots of oil through the outer hub seal on
> one side at the rear and i had virtually no leak before - so whatever
> has happened has disturbed the hub.
>
> Icky - i might take you up on that half shaft, and Tim on the lift
> down for it!. There might still be a shaft in the garage at my old
> house - I shall be checking that out at the weekend.
>
> If i cant get this fixed before Lee's big day out then my landy isnt
> coming - hopefully i can find a substitute chariot otherwise i will be
> asking people nicely for lifts ;)
>
> I've been thinking about the landy, and if this had happened 2 days
> earlier - before my MOT - then i'd be parking the landy up and leaving
> it to fester till either the end of the summer or next year when i
> hope to have more time and tuits to work on it!. Its now holding up
> work on the 101 and the house!

No problem, 'ping' me if you need them (or any other series stuff) got a few
now redundant boxes of spares all very cheep!

Icky


 
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