Britpart hinges - black rubber rings?

Frosted · Oct 13, 2019

I got some.new hinges but there are no instructions even thou it says there are, gotta love Britpart.

Anyone tell me what to do with black rubber rings?

I am guessing they go on the outside, I only have 8 rings but there are 16 bolts.

Thanks

Frosted · Oct 13, 2019

Also the provided plastic spacers don't have the cut out for the retaining nut!
So they fit flush against the Piller.

See pics have I been sold another dummy or am I being one?

Turboman · Oct 13, 2019

Frosted said:
I got some.new hinges but there are no instructions even thou it says there are, gotta love Britpart.

Anyone tell me what to do with black rubber rings?

I am guessing they go on the outside, I only have 8 rings but there are 16 bolts.

ThanksView attachment 191670

All looks in order to me. I don't remember the rings, but would guess they are an extra that goes under the screw heads to prevent water ingress.

Just remove the old captive nuts with the clips that hold them, replace with the new clips and nuts that are visible in the bag, and fit spacers and hinges.

Frosted · Oct 13, 2019

I knew I should have bought the Bearmach ones but these were cheaper:-(
You see in the picture the Bearmach ones have the squares cut out of the plastic shims, which these ****part ones do not?

Turboman · Oct 13, 2019

Frosted said:
I knew I should have bought the Bearmach ones but these were cheaper:-(
You see in the picture the Bearmach ones have the squares cut out of the plastic shims, which these ****part ones do not?
View attachment 191711

I still don't see the problem. The clips with the captive nuts go in the holes in the pillar. Then you put the bolts that hold the hinges in the hinges, and poke the bolts through the hole in the spacers, and screw the bolts into the captive nuts, job done.

manchestershire · Oct 13, 2019

I fitted these to mine, no problems with the plastic shims.

As stated already I used the black rings under the bolt heads on the bulkhead.

Frosted · Oct 13, 2019

manchestershire said:
I fitted these to mine, no problems with the plastic shims.

As stated already I used the black rings under the bolt heads on the bulkhead.

How many rubber rings did you have? I have 16 bolts only 8 rings!

Frosted · Oct 13, 2019

The problem is the retaining nut sits in the pillar so that half of it, the clip on the outer side, sticks out. The plastic shims with the squares cutout allow for this outer clip part of the retaining nut to sit inside the shim. Thus not stoping the hinge from sitting proud against the surface of the pillar.

The shims provided are never going to work well if you need slot of adjustment as they are not going to deform enough to achieve a flush fitting with the surface so they will never seal the hinge to the pillar.

nobber · Oct 13, 2019

Frosted said:
The problem is the retaining nut sits in the pillar so that half of it, the clip on the outer side, sticks out. The plastic shims with the squares cutout allow for this outer clip part of the retaining nut to sit inside the shim. Thus not stoping the hinge from sitting proud against the surface of the pillar.

The shims provided are never going to work well if you need slot of adjustment as they are not going to deform enough to achieve a flush fitting with the surface so they will never seal the hinge to the pillar.

Are you saying the plastic shims dont have holes in to accommodate the captive nuts, there for they sit ontop of the captive nuts? Send them back mate.

nobber · Oct 13, 2019

Unless you are using the shims for the door instead of the bulkhead?

manchestershire · Oct 14, 2019

I had 8 rings, fitted them to the bulkhead bolts, in my mind it might stop the bolt rubbing the paint off. This doesn't happen with the door side of the hinge cos you tighten the nut inside on those. (My logic anyway)

The shims,

I used these despite the reasons you give, there is enough of a void behind the hinge to accommodate the extra thickness owing to the fact that the shims are not cut out. The shim will deform inside the back of the hinge, if you have to take the door off you will see.

(Hope that makes sense)

But in a nutshell they fit.

Turboman · Oct 14, 2019

Frosted said:
The problem is the retaining nut sits in the pillar so that half of it, the clip on the outer side, sticks out. The plastic shims with the squares cutout allow for this outer clip part of the retaining nut to sit inside the shim. Thus not stoping the hinge from sitting proud against the surface of the pillar.

The shims provided are never going to work well if you need slot of adjustment as they are not going to deform enough to achieve a flush fitting with the surface so they will never seal the hinge to the pillar.

The captive nuts sit inside the pillar.

If you really don't like the plastic shims, trim them a bit with a Stanley knife or similar until you do like them.

Frosted · Oct 14, 2019

nobber said:
Are you saying the plastic shims dont have holes in to accommodate the captive nuts, there for they sit ontop of the captive nuts? Send them back mate.

Yer exactly they dont have the holes to accommodate the outside of the retaining nut clip on the door pillar.
Sadly I cant send them back as I bought them a while ago, I bought some Bearmach ones today off ebay so hopefully they will fix the problem

Turboman · Oct 14, 2019

Frosted said:
Yer exactly they dont have the holes to accommodate the outside of the retaining nut clip on the door pillar.
Sadly I cant send them back as I bought them a while ago, I bought some Bearmach ones today off ebay so hopefully they will fix the problem

The plastic just bends over the clips, or you can cut holes with a Stanley knife.

Frosted · Oct 14, 2019

manchestershire said:
I had 8 rings, fitted them to the bulkhead bolts, in my mind it might stop the bolt rubbing the paint off. This doesn't happen with the door side of the hinge cos you tighten the nut inside on those. (My logic anyway)

The shims,

I used these despite the reasons you give, there is enough of a void behind the hinge to accommodate the extra thickness owing to the fact that the shims are not cut out. The shim will deform inside the back of the hinge, if you have to take the door off you will see.

(Hope that makes sense)

But in a nutshell they fit.

Totally typical of Britpart to give only 8 rubber grommets for 16 freaking bolts, I swear I will Never buy Britpart again, honest!

Turboman · Oct 14, 2019

Frosted said:
Totally typical of Britpart to give only 8 rubber grommets for 16 freaking bolts, I swear I will Never buy Britpart again, honest!

I don't think standard have any grommets at all.

Frosted · Oct 14, 2019

Turboman said:
The captive nuts sit inside the pillar.

If you really don't like the plastic shims, trim them a bit with a Stanley knife or similar until you do like them.

Yer the problem is I might have to have a few of the shims and they wont deform so rather than cut them out I just order 8 off ebay.

Turboman · Oct 14, 2019

Frosted said:
Yer the problem is I might have to have a few of the shims and they wont deform so rather than cut them out I just order 8 off ebay.

Why? They are only to separate the metal to avoid galvanic corrosion, they aren't spacers. The adjustment of the doors closing is on the pillar the door catch striker plate is on.

Frosted · Oct 14, 2019

These are the ones I bought if anyone is interested

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LAND-ROV...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

Frosted · Oct 14, 2019

Turboman said:
Why? They are only to separate the metal to avoid galvanic corrosion, they aren't spacers. The adjustment of the doors closing is on the pillar the door catch is on.

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