Bloody Brake Shoes

border · Jun 11, 2021

Thought Id have a go at fitting new brake bits to backing plate before putting on axle. What a right faf on I've had, tried to find some info but only on my phone and can't see the dam thing right. Anyway managed to get one done, mind you don't know if it's done right but seems to be. Had to chop a bit of the ends of springs as there was no way they would have gone on. What's tht right/ easy way to do this without nearly chopping my fingers off. ?

tottot · Jun 11, 2021

Top spring the wrong way around, should be gap between bar and slave cylinder. I fit springs then one shoe in place and use tyre lever to streach other into place. Done on the vehicle.

border · Jun 11, 2021

tottot said:
Top spring the wrong way around, should be gap between bar and slave cylinder. I fit springs then one shoe in place and use tyre lever to streach other into place. Done on the vehicle.

Think Ive got the leading edge bit wrong to after doing a bit more googling on it, but not sure till I go back up tomorrow.
How the hell do I get it all apart again ?

Turboman · Jun 11, 2021

border said:
Think Ive got the leading edge bit wrong to after doing a bit more googling on it, but not sure till I go back up tomorrow.
How the hell do I get it all apart again ?

Just pull the shoes apart, using a big bar as a lever unless you are very strong, and pull them out over the posts.

blue beasty · Jun 11, 2021

border said:
Think Ive got the leading edge bit wrong to after doing a bit more googling on it, but not sure till I go back up tomorrow.
How the hell do I get it all apart again ?

Easiest way is a pair of mole grip clamped onto the shoe just above the slave (In line with the shoe) the mole grips rest against the underside shoulder of the shoe and make levering in off (or on) so simple.

It's difficult to describe but figure it out and you'll never try doing it another way.

kevstar · Jun 11, 2021

blue beasty said:
Easiest way is a pair of mole grip clamped onto the shoe just above the slave (In line with the shoe) the mole grips rest against the underside shoulder of the shoe and make levering in off (or on) so simple.

It's difficult to describe but figure it out and you'll never try doing it another way.

Yup wot he said.

But I have the grips at the other end away from the cylinder.

blue beasty · Jun 11, 2021

Clamp mole grips in position of yellow line

border · Jun 11, 2021

blue beasty said:
Clamp mole grips in position of yellow line

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Thanks will have a go, problem is keeping the thing still, might screw it to the bench.
After doing a bit more research I now think that the bloody backing plates and cylinders may be sided , there was no numbers or anything on cylinder boxes so not sure how to tell. will have to take everything apart and start again.

Turboman · Jun 11, 2021

border said:
Thanks will have a go, problem is keeping the thing still, might screw it to the bench.
After doing a bit more research I now think that the bloody backing plates and cylinders may be sided , there was no numbers or anything on cylinder boxes so not sure how to tell. will have to take everything apart and start again.

Why is it off the vehicle?

If it is on the vehicle, the way it goes together is much more common sense, because you can see the direction of rotation, and the drive member and other parts are in place.

border · Jun 11, 2021

Turboman said:
Why is it off the vehicle?

If it is on the vehicle, the way it goes together is much more common sense, because you can see the direction of rotation, and the drive member and other parts are in place.

Its off vehicle as Im doing a full rebuild, just thought It might be easier to fix brakes on backing plate on the bench, before fixing to stub axle then bolting to axle,
Think ive sussed the leading edge thing out now.

kevstar · Jun 11, 2021

blue beasty said:
Clamp mole grips in position of yellow line

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Na sorry that's wrong !!!! You fit the shoes into the wheel cylinder first so you dont catch/damage the dust cover then put one shoe on the lower holding bracket on the back plate, fit the holding pin & retaining cap to hold the shoe in place then attach the grips onto the metal part of the lower shoe beside the lower spring & lever it pop it on & fit the other holding pin.

lynall · Jun 12, 2021

Bottom spring is in the wrong holes as well, Iirc the spring is touching the bottom shoe post ie stretched over it, front shoe is the one that has no top spring as it self servos upon contact.
If spring is as high as you have it, it will foul on the hub assembly as it rotates.

tottot · Jun 12, 2021

Its the LWB set up Lynall, both shoes have their own adjuster.

Colthebrummie · Jun 12, 2021

Fitting brake shoes and springs seems to cause more confusion than almost anything else. I always take a picture of the existing setup before I strip them down and just hope whoever did them last got it right.

Col

Dippypud · Jun 12, 2021

border said:
Thought Id have a go at fitting new brake bits to backing plate before putting on axle. What a right faf on I've had, tried to find some info but only on my phone and can't see the dam thing right. Anyway managed to get one done, mind you don't know if it's done right but seems to be. Had to chop a bit of the ends of springs as there was no way they would have gone on. What's tht right/ easy way to do this without nearly chopping my fingers off. ?

Top spring goes on top ...

Dippypud · Jun 12, 2021

Colthebrummie said:
Fitting brake shoes and springs seems to cause more confusion than almost anything else. I always take a picture of the existing setup before I strip them down and just hope whoever did them last got it right.

Col

There was someone on here who's Landy previous owner had one side back to front and it always drove 'funny' ...

Dippypud · Jun 12, 2021

border said:
Its off vehicle as Im doing a full rebuild, just thought It might be easier to fix brakes on backing plate on the bench, before fixing to stub axle then bolting to axle,
Think ive sussed the leading edge thing out now.

http://www.expeditionlandrover.info/landRoverFAQ/FAQ_rearbrakes.htm

Turboman · Jun 12, 2021

border said:
Its off vehicle as Im doing a full rebuild, just thought It might be easier to fix brakes on backing plate on the bench, before fixing to stub axle then bolting to axle,
Think ive sussed the leading edge thing out now.

Almost always easier to do things on the vehicle. I never take anything apart more than I have to.
One of the attractions of working on a landrover is that most things can be unbolted as complete assemblies.
A leaf spring axle can be unbolted at the top of the leaves, a few hoses undone, and the whole thing wheeled away from the jacked up vehicle on it's own wheels.
If you go taking things apart into tiny pieces, you will find more problems.

Blackburn · Jun 12, 2021

You need to mke your self this tool.

Turboman · Jun 12, 2021

Turboman said:
Just pull the shoes apart, using a big bar as a lever unless you are very strong, and pull them out over the posts.

blue beasty said:
Easiest way is a pair of mole grip clamped onto the shoe just above the slave (In line with the shoe) the mole grips rest against the underside shoulder of the shoe and make levering in off (or on) so simple.

It's difficult to describe but figure it out and you'll never try doing it another way.

Blackburn said:
You need to mke your self this tool.

One of the things I like about LZ is the unanimity of opinion!

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