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In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

>On or around Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:11:24 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>>
>>Ha! I once had a bloke tell me how much better sales would be
>>with a professional site. He was absolutely certain - until I
>>said "ok - you do it for free and I'll give you a cut of the
>>*increased* sales". Funnily enough I never heard from him again.
>
>hehe.
>
>>
>>Seriously though, I'm of the content rather than look school of
>>thought. I may be wrong, but thats me......
>
>I tend to agree, with the proviso that it should be easy to access the
>content.
>
>Mine (unfinished, natch) is:
>
>http://www.roman-road.co.uk
>
>There will in the end be a price list in addition to the other pages that
>are still unfinished, and probably a "tricycles for the disabled" page.
>
Austin,
Did you know your page validates to W3C HTML 4.01 providing you add the
"1" to your Document Declaration :)

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//w3c//dtd html 4.01 transitional//en">
^
Steve.


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On or around Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:35:29 +0000 (UTC), Stephen Hull
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>Austin,
>Did you know your page validates to W3C HTML 4.01 providing you add the
>"1" to your Document Declaration :)

nope. not bad, considering it was knocked up on mozilla/netscape composer.

>
><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//w3c//dtd html 4.01 transitional//en">
> ^
>Steve.

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In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

>On or around Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:35:29 +0000 (UTC), Stephen Hull
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>Austin,
>>Did you know your page validates to W3C HTML 4.01 providing you add the
>>"1" to your Document Declaration :)
>
>nope. not bad, considering it was knocked up on mozilla/netscape composer.
>

Well done and I don't mean that in a condescending way BTW :)

Steve.


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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:59:33 +0000 (UTC), Stephen Hull wrote:

> Haven't noticed any black blobs on the wipers though.

I probably wouldn't either but they blink in the right hand animation.

> I've found the home image broken, possibly due to a missing image on
> the server but I've not checked?.

Yes, presumably a missing image but *all( the alt texts of all the
other images in that table say "[Home]"...

>> Mind you my browser dosn't show the alt text if you turn off
>> images, I wonder if it shows title instead? This is an Netscape/IE
>> thing (again...).
>
> Analysing the images show a reference to Netscape 2.0 for some
> reason but I've no idea why.

Donno either but what I was trying to point out is that IE and
Netscape based browsers (aka Firefox) handle alt text differently.

Firefox handles alt text like it is suppose to be handled, as an
alternative text if the image won't load. IE uses the alt text as
mouse over text. The title element should be used for mouse over text
and this is what Firefox does use.

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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:11:24 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd wrote:

> Seriously though, I'm of the content rather than look school of
> thought. I may be wrong, but thats me......

The content is what is important but the look can help a great deal in
presenting the content. TBH the darkish green background is a bit drab
and dark, makes the site "depressing" IMHO. Austins lighter tricycle
site has a more uplifting feel. On Austins site he needs (IMHO) to
work out how to get text to flow around an image and put either space
between or a border around images.

I'm in the middle of rewriting my weather site, making use of PHP and
CSS to enable a consistent look to all pages and make maintaining it a
bit easier. I'm also taking the opportunity to get it to pass W3Cs
XHTML Strict v1.0 and CSS validations.

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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:35:29 +0000 (UTC), Stephen Hull
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Austin,
>Did you know your page validates to W3C HTML 4.01 providing you add the
>"1" to your Document Declaration :)
>
><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//w3c//dtd html 4.01 transitional//en">

Is there a simple guide to what should be in a webpage. I just use my
webspace to post simple images and text using notepad and typing in
any html code but would like to know what I should be doing.

AJH
 
On or around Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:01:03 GMT, Stephen Hull <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>In message <[email protected]>
> Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On or around Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:35:29 +0000 (UTC), Stephen Hull
>><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>>Austin,
>>>Did you know your page validates to W3C HTML 4.01 providing you add the
>>>"1" to your Document Declaration :)
>>
>>nope. not bad, considering it was knocked up on mozilla/netscape composer.
>>
>
>Well done and I don't mean that in a condescending way BTW :)

there will be a table on the site eventually, this will be the price list.

--
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"The breezy call of incense-breathing Morn, The swallow twittering
from the strawbuilt shed, The cock's shrill clarion, or the echoing
horn, No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed."
Thomas Gray, Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard.
 
On or around Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:16:26 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:11:24 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd wrote:
>
>> Seriously though, I'm of the content rather than look school of
>> thought. I may be wrong, but thats me......
>
>The content is what is important but the look can help a great deal in
>presenting the content. TBH the darkish green background is a bit drab
>and dark, makes the site "depressing" IMHO. Austins lighter tricycle
>site has a more uplifting feel. On Austins site he needs (IMHO) to
>work out how to get text to flow around an image and put either space
>between or a border around images.

fair cop, maybe a border. However, it (is supposed to) still work
reasonably down to 800x600 resolution - the 2 images stuck together like
that should add up to a bit under 800.

>I'm in the middle of rewriting my weather site, making use of PHP and
>CSS to enable a consistent look to all pages and make maintaining it a
>bit easier. I'm also taking the opportunity to get it to pass W3Cs
>XHTML Strict v1.0 and CSS validations.

--
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"There is plenty of time to win this game, and to thrash the Spaniards
too" Sir Francis Drake (1540? - 1596) Attr. saying when the Armarda was
sighted, 20th July 1588
 
In news:9ab2e7494d%[email protected],
beamendsltd <[email protected]> blithered:
> In message <[email protected]>
> Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On or around Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:43:28 -0000, "GbH"
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>>
>>> ARRRGGGGHHH my eyes.
>>> Not red on green please!!
>>
>> He's got a point. something a bit more orangey would be better.
>>
>
> Orange it is then!
>
> Richard

Thank you kind sir.
A vast improvement.

I think it's something to do with Chromatic Aberration from which it seems many
people suffer, or maybe it's my glasses that suffer.
I seem to be incapable of focusing both colours at the same time. With the green
background dominating, the red text at best hovers and at worse pulsates. Not a
pleasant experience. Has been known to trigger horrendous migraine.
I freely admit though it is probably me that's aberrant.


--
"He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him doing it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!


 
In news:[email protected],
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> blithered:
> On or around Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:12:55 +0000, Steve Taylor
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> beamendsltd wrote:
>>
>>> Seriously though, I'm of the content rather than look school of
>>> thought. I may be wrong, but thats me......
>>
>> No, I don't think so, you see many sites crammed with content, but
>> with user interfaces that look cutesy, but hide the thing you went
>> there to look for ! Or you see sites with no search or index, or
>> sitemap.
>
> you also see such crap as Craddock's site, where the cutesy search
> index thing is so vile that it impedes finding what you went there
> for (IMO, of course), and wherein the writer obviously DGIF about
> anyone with a slow connection. While the increase in broadband makes
> that less relevant now, it's still not universal or anything like.
>
> I'm a big fan of simple pages with plain text hyperlinks. The more
> cute tricks you put in, the more difficult it is to make it work
> properly on all browsers, too.

Agree, you're trying to sell LR parts ect not cutesy sites.

--
"He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him doing it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!


 
In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

>On or around Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:01:03 GMT, Stephen Hull <[email protected]>
>enlightened us thusly:
>

>>>On or around Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:35:29 +0000 (UTC), Stephen Hull
>>><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>>>Austin,
>>>>Did you know your page validates to W3C HTML 4.01 providing you add the
>>>>"1" to your Document Declaration :)
>>>
>>>nope. not bad, considering it was knocked up on mozilla/netscape composer.
>>>
>>
>>Well done and I don't mean that in a condescending way BTW :)
>
>there will be a table on the site eventually, this will be the price list.
>
If you simply add correctly nested tables the page will still validate :)

Steve.



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In message <[email protected]>
[email protected] wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:35:29 +0000 (UTC), Stephen Hull
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Austin,
>>Did you know your page validates to W3C HTML 4.01 providing you add the
>>"1" to your Document Declaration :)
>>
>><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//w3c//dtd html 4.01 transitional//en">
>
>Is there a simple guide to what should be in a webpage. I just use my
>webspace to post simple images and text using notepad and typing in
>any html code but would like to know what I should be doing.
>
>AJH

Post you URL and we'll take a look ;)

It does depend on what you want to display and who your intended target
audience may be. If you create a HTML page and then run it through the
W3C validator http://validator.w3.org/file-upload.html this shows all
your errors.

Below is a basic HTML page, all you do is put your information between
the body tags.

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html lang="en">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<title>A simple test page</TITLE>
</head>
<body>

<H1>A very simple example of HTML</H1>

</body>
</html>


Steve.


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In message <[email protected]>
"Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:59:33 +0000 (UTC), Stephen Hull wrote:
>
>> Haven't noticed any black blobs on the wipers though.
>
>I probably wouldn't either but they blink in the right hand animation.
>
>> I've found the home image broken, possibly due to a missing image on
>> the server but I've not checked?.
>
>Yes, presumably a missing image but *all( the alt texts of all the
>other images in that table say "[Home]"...

So they do, though the href links within them work albeit they all point
to the main index.html page, probably not yet implemented.

The missing image is "DiscoveryIII.gif", I'm sure Richard will fix it
when he's got the time.

>>> Mind you my browser dosn't show the alt text if you turn off
>>> images, I wonder if it shows title instead? This is an Netscape/IE
>>> thing (again...).
>>
>> Analysing the images show a reference to Netscape 2.0 for some
>> reason but I've no idea why.
>
>Donno either but what I was trying to point out is that IE and
>Netscape based browsers (aka Firefox) handle alt text differently.

They do have there differences but I've never really analysed them too
much only made small comparisons.

>Firefox handles alt text like it is suppose to be handled, as an
>alternative text if the image won't load. IE uses the alt text as
>mouse over text. The title element should be used for mouse over text
>and this is what Firefox does use.
>
Indeed,

Steve.


--
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Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes
Using a British RISC Operating System 100% immune to any Windows virus.
"Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry Royce
 
In message <[email protected]>
Stephen Hull <[email protected]> wrote:

> In message <[email protected]>
> "Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:59:33 -0000, George Spigot wrote:
> >
> >>> ARRRGGGGHHH my eyes.
> >>> Not red on green please!!
> >>
> >> ARRRGGGGHHH............................ seconded (
> >
> >Thirded!
> >
> >And why does the nearside top quarter of the top right light blue
> >landy twitch in/out, a small black blob flash on the tips of wiper
> >blades and a black line flash just above the roof? The top left one is
> >fine... The rotating crank isn't the smoothest of animations either.
>
> Interesting ;)
>
> The n/s vehicle indicator to the right of the page flashes as the o/s
> indicator to the left of the page should. The small line above the right
> image can be easily removed by editing the lranim2.gif, (I've just done it)
> this is easy enough to do with an image manipulating package.
>

Each browser on each OS get something wrong with these - they are
transorned from a series of vector drawings, the originals unfortunatly
having got lost.

> Haven't noticed any black blobs on the wipers though.
> The crankshaft image lranim9.gif requires a few more frames adding to
> make it run smoother it only has five frames.
> The crankshaft is also too large or thick on a couple of these frames
> giving the appearance of it jumping up and down, I've played with this
> image and managed to get it running smoothly, but I've not altered the
> shaft size so the image still jumps.

er, it's meant to be lumpy - needs repair!

>
> >http://www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk/BeamEnds/index.html
> >
> >Is not useable if you turn off images. All the alt texts say "[Home]"
>
> I've found the home image broken, possibly due to a missing image on the
> server but I've not checked?.
>
> >rather that what or where the box takes you... Mind you my browser
> >dosn't show the alt text if you turn off images, I wonder if it shows
> >title instead? This is an Netscape/IE thing (again...).
> >
> Analysing the images show a reference to Netscape 2.0 for some reason
> but I've no idea why.

Nothings been anywhere near anything by Mickysoft or the like - it's all
home grown.

>
> Steve.
>

Richard

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In message <[email protected]>
[email protected] wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:35:29 +0000 (UTC), Stephen Hull
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Austin,
> >Did you know your page validates to W3C HTML 4.01 providing you add the
> >"1" to your Document Declaration :)
> >
> ><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//w3c//dtd html 4.01 transitional//en">
>
> Is there a simple guide to what should be in a webpage. I just use my
> webspace to post simple images and text using notepad and typing in
> any html code but would like to know what I should be doing.
>
> AJH

www.wc3.com - the "bible" - not that Mickysoft have read it!

Richard
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In message <[email protected]>
"GbH" <[email protected]> wrote:

> In news:9ab2e7494d%[email protected],
> beamendsltd <[email protected]> blithered:
> > In message <[email protected]>
> > Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On or around Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:43:28 -0000, "GbH"
> >> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> >>>
> >>> ARRRGGGGHHH my eyes.
> >>> Not red on green please!!
> >>
> >> He's got a point. something a bit more orangey would be better.
> >>
> >
> > Orange it is then!
> >
> > Richard
>
> Thank you kind sir.
> A vast improvement.
>
> I think it's something to do with Chromatic Aberration from which it seems many
> people suffer, or maybe it's my glasses that suffer.
> I seem to be incapable of focusing both colours at the same time. With the green
> background dominating, the red text at best hovers and at worse pulsates. Not a
> pleasant experience. Has been known to trigger horrendous migraine.
> I freely admit though it is probably me that's aberrant.
>
>

It seems to largely down to the computer type used. Red on
green on a PC is not nice (I just checked), but on the
MAC and ROS machines I look at it comes out very nicely - I
suspect it's down to video controllers, as the Net Safe green
and red I use are very garish on PC's (which does seem to make
a bit of a nonsense of the Net Safe colours!).

Richard

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On or around Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:51:27 -0000, "GbH"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>I think it's something to do with Chromatic Aberration from which it seems many
>people suffer, or maybe it's my glasses that suffer.
>I seem to be incapable of focusing both colours at the same time. With the green
>background dominating, the red text at best hovers and at worse pulsates. Not a
>pleasant experience. Has been known to trigger horrendous migraine.
>I freely admit though it is probably me that's aberrant.

It's also something about different focal lengths for different colours of
light. Pure red on pure blue is even worse. I've done quite a bit of study
of "nice" colours to look at on colour schemes.


One of the things I try and do on websites is to have consistent colours
(background, title blocks etc.) throughout the site. The other thing is to
try to avoid things that will affect the colour blind, for example, though
that's more tricky - there are things you can get that simulate various
kinds of colour blindness, but last time I tried one I didn't get it to
work.
--
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"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
 
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:12:40 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
<[email protected]> wrote:

>At last! I've got the on-line shop up and running, complete
>with secure payment! Hoorah! Joyous trumpet fanfares, etc!

I've got no excuse for not using you now ;)

I think that you should re-arrange your main page slighty to make it
easier to get to the parts listing - which is what i imagine most
people will use the site for?

You could duplicate your navigation links bit up at the top of the
page, or make it so that the logo and the 'landrover spares' text is
clickable and takes you directly to the parts listing.

It might be that i'm just lazy!, but i like to get to the parts list
as quickly as i can (since thats what i went there for), and at the
moment i have to scroll the page down first and find the right button
to click on before i get anywhere.
The main parts index should be above the writing too.

It always annoys me where i have to scroll down through pages to find
all the links - they should be where i can get to them easily.

This is just my opinion, so feel free to ignore me!
 
On Saturday, in article
<aeee634a4d%[email protected]>
[email protected] "beamendsltd" wrote:

> It seems to largely down to the computer type used. Red on
> green on a PC is not nice (I just checked), but on the
> MAC and ROS machines I look at it comes out very nicely - I
> suspect it's down to video controllers, as the Net Safe green
> and red I use are very garish on PC's (which does seem to make
> a bit of a nonsense of the Net Safe colours!).

This is partly down to a feature of the video system called "gamma",
which is a measure of how the binary data is translated to screen
brightness. Macs and PCs are different.

It can also help if your monitor is properly adjusted. The Brightness
control should be used to set the black point, so that an image black is
only _just_ distinguishable from the screen. Then Contrast is adjusted
to set the white point.

For Windows PCs, there are all sorts of utilities to help, some supplied
with video cards. If there is something that can with your video card,
use it. Otherwise, I can recommend a program called Quickgamma for a
basic setup.


The Net Safe colours are a standard set, which can be supported on a
256-colour system without any messy dithering. This is not quite the
same as them being nice colours, but they're worth sticking to.

Under various disability laws, some colour combinations may even be
illegal. Consider how a red/green scheme might look to somebody who is
colour-blind.

--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

"I am Number Two," said Penfold. "You are Number Six."
 
In message <731a634a4d%[email protected]>
beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:

>> The n/s vehicle indicator to the right of the page flashes as the o/s
>> indicator to the left of the page should. The small line above the right
>> image can be easily removed by editing the lranim2.gif, (I've just
>> done it) this is easy enough to do with an image manipulating
>> package.
>
>Each browser on each OS get something wrong with these - they are
>transorned from a series of vector drawings, the originals unfortunatly
>having got lost.

I've fixed and ftp'd the two Land Rover images if you want them;
http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk/example/lranim2.gif
http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk/example/lranim.gif

The above images have been cleaned up so should display properly now.

>> Haven't noticed any black blobs on the wipers though.
>> The crankshaft image lranim9.gif requires a few more frames adding to
>> make it run smoother it only has five frames.
>> The crankshaft is also too large or thick on a couple of these frames
>> giving the appearance of it jumping up and down, I've played with this
>> image and managed to get it running smoothly, but I've not altered the
>> shaft size so the image still jumps.
>
>er, it's meant to be lumpy - needs repair!

If it really needs reparing we can split the image into frames and edit
them in !Paint on ROS ;)

>> Analysing the images show a reference to Netscape 2.0 for some reason
>> but I've no idea why.
>
>Nothings been anywhere near anything by Mickysoft or the like - it's all
>home grown.

Try the following, RISC OS only though.
Save out one of the gif images, hold down shift and double click with
the select mouse button and the image will load into StrongEd or Zap
depending on which editor you use, Then you'll see reference at the top
of the code which reads NETSCAPE 2.0.

I've noticed Netscape 2.0 is apparent in quite a few gif images I
acquired over the years, probably orginally created on a Mickysoft
system.

I'm only offering constuctive critisism, I'm not having a go :)

Steve.


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