bad starter...lumpy smokey 200tdi

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steve

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• Dec 30, 2004

• #1

had a few replies to this post before xmas but not got to bottom of
problem yet, so.....any more thoughts please folks on my range rover
200tdi's startup symptoms...10
seconds on heater plugs then 10 second crank leading to lumpy start fair
amount of smoke and low power ...everything sorts itself out within half
a mile or so.
what could it be..heater plug? worse? better?

also anyone know of online manuals in english?

 

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Matt Horn

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• Dec 31, 2004

• #2

"steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> had a few replies to this post before xmas but not got to bottom of
> problem yet, so.....any more thoughts please folks on my range rover
> 200tdi's startup symptoms...10
> seconds on heater plugs then 10 second crank leading to lumpy start fair
> amount of smoke and low power ...everything sorts itself out within half
> a mile or so.
> what could it be..heater plug? worse? better?
>
> also anyone know of online manuals in english?

Could be the injection pump, if you give it a little thorttle does it help
it starting? I've just had mine reconned whilst on the vehicle and she is
much better, she was leaking diesel as well though! No idea how much it
normally costs, but I paid £40, if you are around South Berks or Hampshire I
may be able to give you a contact.

--
Matthew

 

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fergus.kendall

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• Dec 31, 2004

• #3

> > had a few replies to this post before xmas but not got to bottom of
> > problem yet, so.....any more thoughts please folks on my range rover
> > 200tdi's startup symptoms...10
> > seconds on heater plugs then 10 second crank leading to lumpy start fair
> > amount of smoke and low power ...everything sorts itself out within half
> > a mile or so.
> > what could it be..heater plug? worse? better?
> >
> > also anyone know of online manuals in english?
>
> Could be the injection pump, if you give it a little thorttle does it help
> it starting? I've just had mine reconned whilst on the vehicle and she is
> much better, she was leaking diesel as well though! No idea how much it
> normally costs, but I paid £40, if you are around South Berks or Hampshire
I
> may be able to give you a contact.
>
> --
> Matthew
>
>

If the vehicle performs as usual after starting then I would suspect air is
getting into the fuel line, this can be from a porous steel pipe, union,
filter, lift pump or even seals in the injector pump. Your sypmtoms sound
like a classic case of fuel starvation. The tank and fuel lines can be ruled
out by fitting a section of clear pipe before the lift pump and watching for
bubbles, and similarly after the lift pump and after the filter to test
those components.

Good luck sorting it out,
Fergus

 

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Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS

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• Dec 31, 2004

• #4

steve <[email protected]> wrote:

>seconds on heater plugs then 10 second crank leading to lumpy start fair
>amount of smoke and low power ...everything sorts itself out within half
>a mile or so.
>what could it be..heater plug? worse? better?

With our Defender 2.5TD it was at least one faulty heater plug. Same
symptoms, large black cloud, some sputter, within 15 or 20 seconds
everything was fine.



regards - Ralph

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Tom Woods

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• Jan 2, 2005

• #5

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:54:06 +0000, steve <[email protected]>
wrote:

>had a few replies to this post before xmas but not got to bottom of
>problem yet, so.....any more thoughts please folks on my range rover
>200tdi's startup symptoms...10

Did you actually try or check out any of the suggestions from the last
time you posted this. All of which suggested air/fuel leaks?

>seconds on heater plugs then 10 second crank leading to lumpy start fair
>amount of smoke and low power ...everything sorts itself out within half
>a mile or so.
>what could it be..heater plug? worse? better?

This was answered last time too.
>
>also anyone know of online manuals in english?

google is very useful you know
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=200tdi+manual+download&btnG=Search&meta=

 

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steve

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• Jan 7, 2005

• #6

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:54:06 +0000, steve <[email protected]>
wrote:

>had a few replies to this post before xmas but not got to bottom of
>problem yet, so.....any more thoughts please folks on my range rover
>200tdi's startup symptoms...10

Did you actually try or check out any of the suggestions from the last
time you posted this. All of which suggested air/fuel leaks?

>seconds on heater plugs then 10 second crank leading to lumpy start fair
>amount of smoke and low power ...everything sorts itself out within half
>a mile or so.
>what could it be..heater plug? worse? better?

This was answered last time too.
>
>also anyone know of online manuals in english?

google is very useful you know
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=200tdi+manual+download&btnG=Search&meta=


ta for google tip
i've tried the various suggestions and replaced the filter and bled the
system manually with no improvement..
what i did notice tho was a leaking manifold gasket (no 1 cyl), could
this cuase starting problems?
ta steve

 

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TonyB

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• Jan 8, 2005

• #7

> what i did notice tho was a leaking manifold gasket (no 1 cyl), could
> this cuase starting problems?

Doubt it. Have you had the glow plugs checked?
If it's not those or an air leak which are the easy things to check, then my
money would be on a failing injector pump.
TonyB

 

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steve

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• Jan 11, 2005

• #8

> what i did notice tho was a leaking manifold gasket (no 1 cyl), could
> this cuase starting problems?

Doubt it. Have you had the glow plugs checked?
If it's not those or an air leak which are the easy things to check, then my
money would be on a failing injector pump.
TonyB

on this subject i tested glow plugs and they had a current draw of a
constant 25 amps for about ten seconds total does this sound ok?

 

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TonyB

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• Jan 13, 2005

• #9

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> on this subject i tested glow plugs and they had a current draw of a
> constant 25 amps for about ten seconds total does this sound ok?

Doesn't sound enough to me but I'm no expert. I thought they drew 40 amps
each - anybody know for sure?
TonyB

 

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steve

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• Jan 16, 2005

• #10

TonyB wrote:
>>on this subject i tested glow plugs and they had a current draw of a
>>constant 25 amps for about ten seconds total does this sound ok?
>
>
> Doesn't sound enough to me but I'm no expert. I thought they drew 40 amps
> each - anybody know for sure?
> TonyB
>
>
well i bought a new set of unipart ones as when i took out all the old
ones they didnt work at all and they were in far too tight, the motor
now starts straight away but is realy lumpy and smokey like an injector
sticking or something, when i cracked each union in turn none showed up
as the obvious culprit....still something not right
steve