Air conditioning

8{|> said:

Td4 has an additional heater to get the engine temperature up quicker, helping to keep emissions down. You can upgrade this with a timer so that it runs independantly of the engine.

Very useful, and particularly apt for the freelander, you can run this whilst awaiting the recovery vehicle

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Hi 8{|>,

Yes, I know and I have that FBH installed, but still.

And your name: 8{|> is that the SMS version used by today's youngsters when they want to tell to their correspond that "grandpa sh.. in his pants" ??

Willo. . . its a 2002 td4 as i said heaters great but not so the a/c had it topped up last year but still not great, switch mine on with heating once a month during colder climate it is said to help re- gen the a/c but don't know how true that is. . .

Well, I always thought it was necessary to start the aircon at least once a week during winter, and the heater also once a week during summer, this to keep the gaskets etc. moist and to avoid they dry out.
Ciao

willo said:

I have that FBH installed, but still.

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In that case, try this link.

POOR HEATER PERFORMANCE FROM COLD ENGINE START UP
Affected Range - All diesel engine vehicles fitted with Fuel Burning Heater (FBH) in VIN ranges: Freelander 1A 576764 to 1A 599999 & 1A 300000 to TBC

Problem -
POOR HEATER PERFORMANCE FROM COLD ENGINE START UP
The customer complains of excessive delay in obtaining satisfactory heater output following a cold start.
Cause
Due to an excessively wide sensing tolerance, the outside air temperature sensor may not activate the FBH until the ambient temperature is as low as 0°C. This renders the FBH inactive at temperatures where its additional heat output would be beneficial in assisting with engine and heater warm up.
Action
On customer complaint, replace the outside air temperature sensor with the new narrow range sensor

Cheers

Blippie

Blippie said:

In that case, try this link.

POOR HEATER PERFORMANCE FROM COLD ENGINE START UP
Affected Range - All diesel engine vehicles fitted with Fuel Burning Heater (FBH) in VIN ranges: Freelander 1A 576764 to 1A 599999 & 1A 300000 to TBC

Problem -
POOR HEATER PERFORMANCE FROM COLD ENGINE START UP
The customer complains of excessive delay in obtaining satisfactory heater output following a cold start.
Cause
Due to an excessively wide sensing tolerance, the outside air temperature sensor may not activate the FBH until the ambient temperature is as low as 0°C. This renders the FBH inactive at temperatures where its additional heat output would be beneficial in assisting with engine and heater warm up.
Action
On customer complaint, replace the outside air temperature sensor with the new narrow range sensor

Cheers

Blippie

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Hi Blippie,

Thanks for that info, my vin is in the 301... but I understand the new sensors start the FBH as from +5°C where my actual only does when temp. is lower, but already now it is a pain in the a.. when doing short trips as the FBH stops and runs out in the garage with allthe, already so many times explained, results of stinking fumes and smoke, so I'll leave it as it is and "sit it out".

willo said:

Hi Blippie,

Thanks for that info, my vin is in the 301... but I understand the new sensors start the FBH as from +5°C where my actual only does when temp. is lower, but already now it is a pain in the a.. when doing short trips as the FBH stops and runs out in the garage with allthe, already so many times explained, results of stinking fumes and smoke, so I'll leave it as it is and "sit it out".

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Willo is it your auxilliary heater making smoke?

8{|> said:

Willo is it your auxilliary heater making smoke?

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Hi 8{|>
Yes, it is. As I do mostly short trips (2-3 kilometers) the FBH still fully operational by the time I get home again, so when entering the car in the garage and shutting down the engine the rundown sequence of the FBH is started while it's inside, this results in diesel fumes coming out which are very bad smells (it stinks even), so no way to try and dry some laundry in the garage these days.

It shouldn't smoke & smell - it should shut down quite cleanly.
I cannot send you an E-Mail as you have deselected this option. However if you want it I have a PDF of the Webasto manual for the thermotop C&V series heaters - e-mail me & I can send it by reply - IF you want.

What is this aircon additive called then? where do you get it? how much?

8{|> said:

It shouldn't smoke & smell - it should shut down quite cleanly.
I cannot send you an E-Mail as you have deselected this option. However if you want it I have a PDF of the Webasto manual for the thermotop C&V series heaters - e-mail me & I can send it by reply - IF you want.

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Hi 8{|>,

Sorry and I just adapted my profile to accept emails.

Thanks in advance for all the possible help.

Blue Sparky said:

What is this aircon additive called then? where do you get it? how much?

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It's the Webasto fuel burning heater.
It was standard on my car (2001 Td4 SE) and don't know what it cost as extra these days.

Willo,
I will check the CD data today to find out which valve cap out of the 2 black ones you remove to refill the A/C.

Zippy

8{|> said:

http://s1.upload.sc/request/aade174299d9daf9b48e58a24c96fe85/owner​

The webasto manual is posted here - will be "hosted" for a month​

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Hi 8|>

Tried to download but it's blocked by Internet Explorer which says downloads from this site are not allowed for possible problems. Sorry.

Looked at the site 7 people have downloaded - possibly your internet setting?

Willo,
Sorry for the delay in replying, I've been away for the last couple of days. It's an additive called Perma-Frost, it's a product that's manufactured in the US. I recently moved from NW England over to the US to be with my good lady and the only reason I know of this additive is because my wife's friend sells it. We watched it be installed in someone else's car and it made a serious difference, hence me wanting to install it in our Freelander, I've been very impressed, it makes a big difference. To be honest, I'm gonna add it to the house A/C too. There's a website here: http://www.perma-frost.com/ if you're interested. There's a vid showing installation and the difference it makes. AFAIK, it's not sold in the UK yet, but I'm seriously thinking about trying to sell it. It works and is cheap, so why not? Hope that answers your question.

Willo,
Looking at yr photo, yr in the right place. The easiest way to get the right rubber cap to remove is simply start the engine and turn the A/C on. The cold pipe is the one that you add the additive to - simple!
cheers
Rob.

Blue Sparky,
The cost is about $80-100 over here, it lasts at least 10years and there's no fitting charge as it's dead easy to do. If I start selling it in the UK, like I'm saying I'll prob just do a straight currency conversion, taxes withstanding (I never understood why everything is cheaper in the US than in the UK; car prices being a VERY good example!).
cheers
Rob
(again sorry for the delay in replying, was away on a work trip)

They do sell it over here in Halfords, £40 for the tin with a gauge to let you know how low your current system is.

Get down and buy some.

Zippy,
Do you know what the product is called ?
thanks
Rob