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Dan-Man

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Hi, totally new here so er hello!

Just finished university now and after a new car, been through the smaller ones and after driving a few I quite fancy a Discovery. Not after one of the new ones, probably a D1 or D2. I would want it for commuting to work in the week, few trips around the country fishing, towing a boat and shooting and also maybe some off roading. Housemate at uni had a kitted Defender, says I'm mad to be looking for a Discovery but they seem the best value for money. I've been taught a few things what to watch out for in terms of rust, leaky sunroofs and someone told me to stay away from the 200 Tdi engines?

Budget is around £2000-3000, kind of would like an automatic as I'm lazy. Am I mad like my friend says or is this going to be something that I will love and cherish?
 
Hi and welcome. A few recent threads on here you should read "300tdi i'm gonna buy" and "thinkin of a TD5" or sumthin like that. Have a good read and do your homework before you buy.
 
Hi, totally new here so er hello!

Just finished university now and after a new car, been through the smaller ones and after driving a few I quite fancy a Discovery. Not after one of the new ones, probably a D1 or D2. I would want it for commuting to work in the week, few trips around the country fishing, towing a boat and shooting and also maybe some off roading. Housemate at uni had a kitted Defender, says I'm mad to be looking for a Discovery but they seem the best value for money. I've been taught a few things what to watch out for in terms of rust, leaky sunroofs and someone told me to stay away from the 200 Tdi engines?

Budget is around £2000-3000, kind of would like an automatic as I'm lazy. Am I mad like my friend says or is this going to be something that I will love and cherish?

the 200 was probably the best engine IMO, a mates dad is trying to sell his 300tdi in silver with towbar and the works well within your budget
 
the 200 was probably the best engine IMO, a mates dad is trying to sell his 300tdi in silver with towbar and the works well within your budget

300tdi was and improved evolution of the 200tdi.
Many modifications made the 300tdi a much stronger and reliable engine.
The 200tdi motor is a pretty soft engine;)
 
300tdi was and improved evolution of the 200tdi.
Many modifications made the 300tdi a much stronger and reliable engine.
The 200tdi motor is a pretty soft engine;)

Go on then tell us what the changes & mods were and how they improved on the "soft" 200tdi. Oh and the engine in my 200tdi disco has done 270,000 miles.
 
Go on then tell us what the changes & mods were and how they improved on the "soft" 200tdi. Oh and the engine in my 200tdi disco has done 270,000 miles.

OK no problemo!


300Tdi (Engine Codes 16L and 23L)
Although the 200Tdi engine had been an undoubted technological and sales success, it had certain limitations and flaws that needed to be rectified. Despite the numerous differences, it was still in essence a direct-injection version of the older Diesel Turbo engine. It was also considered rather raucous and unrefined, especially for use in the Discovery and Range Rover models. A special version of the engine had to be produced to fit the Defender, and problems with premature bore wear in early models, and a weak head gasket had been identified. The British Army (and some other military buyers) had not opted for the 200Tdi because it could not be fitted with a 24-volt generator for powering radio equipment- instead the Army continued to buy vehicles with 2.5-litre naturally-aspirated diesels. Upcoming European diesel emissions regulations (Euro I) meant that Land Rover would be forced to radically alter the engine anyway. The resulting development project (coded Romulus) produced the 300Tdi engine. Although externally very similar to the Discovery/Range Rover version of its predecessor, 208 changes were made. These included modifications to the block, cylinder head, fuel injector system and ancillary systems. The crankshaft, pistons and connecting rods were significantly altered over the 200Tdi. The most obvious external changes were the fitting of a rubber acoustic cover over the engine to reduce noise and the change to a single serpentine belt to drive the ancillaries instead of the multiple V-belts of the older engines. Emissions regulation included the fitting of an exhaust gas recirculation system. Power and torque outputs remained the same, and the engine had been specifically designed to be compatible with all the models in the Land Rover range without any changes. This meant that the Defender engines were fitted in the same tune as the Discovery/Range Rover engines. The 300Tdi was noticeably smoother and quieter than the 200Tdi, but was generally found to not be quite as economical in real-world use. It turned out that the Euro I emissions regulations were not as severe as Land Rover anticipated, and so the 300Tdi was able to remain in production until the introduction of the Euro III rules. When fitted to vehicles with an automatic transmission, power was increased to 122 horsepower to make up for the power losses in the transmission. These engines (designated 23L) had Bosch Electronic Diesel Control systems, where the mechanical injector system was controlled by a ‘fly-by-wire’ electronic throttle to reduce emissions. The 300Tdi was replaced in 1998 by the 5-cylinder Td5, bringing to an end the line of Land Rover 4-cylinder engines that can be traced back to 1957. The Td5 engine was loosely based on the Rover Group’s L-series diesel engine. The 300Tdi remained in production in Brazil, and was offered as an option on ‘Rest of World’ (non-UK/Europe) models. Following Ford’s acquisition of Land Rover in 2000, the engine was used in Brazilian-built Ford pick-up trucks as well. Increasing emissions laws worldwide and falling sales led to production of the 300Tdi ending in 2006. A much-modified 2.8-litre version is still built by International Engines in Brazil, and is available as an after-market fitment to Land Rovers through specialist converters.
Layout: 4-cylinder, in-line
Block/Head: Cast iron/aluminium alloy
Valves: OHV, belt-driven camshaft, push-rod operated
Capacity: 2,495 cc (152.2 cu. in)
Bore x stroke: 90.47 mm x 97 mm (3.56 in x 3.81 in)
Compression Ratio: 19:1
Fuel injection: Bosch VE rotary pump + Bosch two-stage injectors (with Bosch EDC system on versions with automatic transmission)
Induction: Allied Signal T25 turbocharger
Power: 111 bhp (83 kW) @ 4,250 rpm (versions with manual transmission)
122 bhp (91 kW) @ 4,250 rpm (versions with automatic transmission)
Torque: 195 lbf•ft (264 N•m)@ 1,800 rpm (versions with manual transmission)
210 lbf•ft (285 N•m)@ 1,800 rpm (versions with automatic transmission)
Production: 1994-2006
Used in: Land Rover Defender, Discovery + Range Rover, also various Brazil-assembled Ford pickup trucks.:D
 
Very nice cut and paste but it does nothing to tell anyone what mods or improvements were made?? in fact it gives the impression that apart from been a bit quieter it was actually worst than the 200tdi.
 
the 200 was better because it had less electronic crap and lasted forever, gave good power and ran on anything you put in it. This is why it is the best engine not 'soft' in any way tit
 
ah he's learnt to cut and paste

You bet.
Do you think I could quote that of the top of my pea brain.:confused:
Pretty good info though I've seen it on quite a few sites regarding landys.

The info is from Wikipedia.
Type in 300tdi into the wikipedia search box, there is some good info on all varients of engines from the 2ltr diesel to present.
 
the 200 was better because it had less electronic crap and lasted forever, gave good power and ran on anything you put in it. This is why it is the best engine not 'soft' in any way tit

My 300tdi has no electronics whatsoever
 
the 200 was better because it had less electronic crap and lasted forever, gave good power and ran on anything you put in it. This is why it is the best engine not 'soft' in any way tit

Fukk off prick. Your the tit with that eggshell piece of **** you call a landy!
 
200tdi figures
Capacity: 2,495 cc (152.2 cu. in)
Bore x stroke: 90.47 mm x 97 mm (3.56 in x 3.81 in)
Compression ratio: 19:1
Fuel injection: Bosch VE rotary pump + Bosch two-stage injectors
Induction: Garrett T25 turbocharger
Power: 111 bhp (83 kW) @ 4,250 rpm (Discovery + Range Rover)
Torque: 195 lbf·ft (264 N·m) @ 1,800 rpm (Discovery + Range Rover)

300Tdi
Capacity: 2,495 cc (152.2 cu. in)
Bore x stroke: 90.47 mm x 97 mm (3.56 in x 3.81 in)
Compression Ratio: 19:1
Fuel injection: Bosch VE rotary pump + Bosch two-stage injectors
Induction: Allied Signal T25 turbocharger
Power: 111 bhp (83 kW) @ 4,250 rpm (versions with manual transmission)
Torque: 195 lbf•ft (264 N•m)@ 1,800 rpm (versions with manual transmission)

nothing new there then??
 
Very nice cut and paste but it does nothing to tell anyone what mods or improvements were made?? in fact it gives the impression that apart from been a bit quieter it was actually worst than the 200tdi.

I take it your not very good reading English then
 
200tdi figures
Capacity: 2,495 cc (152.2 cu. in)
Bore x stroke: 90.47 mm x 97 mm (3.56 in x 3.81 in)
Compression ratio: 19:1
Fuel injection: Bosch VE rotary pump + Bosch two-stage injectors
Induction: Garrett T25 turbocharger
Power: 111 bhp (83 kW) @ 4,250 rpm (Discovery + Range Rover)
Torque: 195 lbf·ft (264 N·m) @ 1,800 rpm (Discovery + Range Rover)

300Tdi
Capacity: 2,495 cc (152.2 cu. in)
Bore x stroke: 90.47 mm x 97 mm (3.56 in x 3.81 in)
Compression Ratio: 19:1
Fuel injection: Bosch VE rotary pump + Bosch two-stage injectors
Induction: Allied Signal T25 turbocharger
Power: 111 bhp (83 kW) @ 4,250 rpm (versions with manual transmission)
Torque: 195 lbf•ft (264 N•m)@ 1,800 rpm (versions with manual transmission)

nothing new there then??

The resulting development project (coded Romulus) produced the 300Tdi engine. Although externally very similar to the Discovery/Range Rover version of its predecessor, 208 changes were made. These included modifications to the block, cylinder head, fuel injector system and ancillary systems. The crankshaft, pistons and connecting rods were significantly altered over the 200Tdi

Can you not read..............
I was just trying to correct your points on the 200tdi as its pish.
 
i'm not gettin involved in this about to erupt yet again row thats about to kick off....only thing i'm gonna say is are you trying to deliberately provoke a reaction from the regulars on here ?
 
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