Adding rear seats to a 'Utility' Defender and the law.

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Speaking at the launch of the campaign, Acting Chief Inspector Rosie Leech explained:
“Most vans and goods vehicles are designed for the carriage of goods, not passengers, behind the driver. In a collision, unbelted passengers, particularly those being carried in a vehicle which has not been designed or built to accommodate passengers in the rear cargo space, can be thrown around with such force that in addition to killing themselves, they could kill or seriously injure a belted driver or front seat passenger.
Any van or goods vehicle driver detected carrying passengers or any employer permitting carriage of passengers in this way is now liable to receive a fixed penalty fine of £60 and have three penalty points added to their driving licence. If convicted in court, the fine can increase to a maximum of up to £5000 together with three penalty points.” The above IIRC only applies to northen ireland , however the following is DFT info

http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publicatio...-a-van-to-carry-passengers-in-the-rear-qa.pdf


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Dont really know if this is relevant but i found it when i was searching online myself. It is regarding passengers needing seatbelts in motorhomes

There is currently no legal requirement to have seat belts fitted to side-facing seats or seats that make up the accommodation area in motor caravans.
Regulation 46 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986: as amended states motor caravans first used on or after 1st April 1982 but before 1 October 1988 shall be equipped with anchorage points for the driver's seat and specified passenger seat (if any); and for motor caravans first used on or after 1st October 1988 shall be equipped with anchorage points for the driver's seat and any forward-facing front seat.
You can download a copy of the SI at The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 2001.

However, this does not preclude manufacturers fitting seat belts to forward facing or rearward facing seats within the accommodation area if they wish to do so.

Where seat belts are fitted they must be worn.

Re. the carrying of passengers in unbelted seats:-

... seats in the rear of a campervan/motorhome do not, at present, require seatbelts (whether forward, rearward or sideways facing) and it is not illegal to carry unrestrained passengers in them while travelling, providing the vehicle is not overloaded. It is not something we would recommend, however.

Although current seat belt wearing regulations do not currently prohibit carrying more passengers in vehicles than there are seat belts available, the police may prosecute drivers for carrying passengers in a manner that may injure someone. We would advise that no-one should be carried in any unbelted seat in the rear of a motorhome.

A recent Directive (2005/40/EC) on the installation of seat belts requires that from 20 October 2007 new vehicles will have to have seat belts fitted on all seats except those seats intended solely for use when the vehicle is stationary.

Where seat belts are fitted, from May 2009, the seat belt wearing Directive will prevent more passengers being carried than there are seat belts in the rear of vehicles.

The new requirements will mean that from May 2009, in any vehicle of whatever age, where seat belts are fitted in the rear, more passengers may not be carried in the rear than there are seat belts available.

The critical points are that for owners of older motorhomes, it will not become illegal to carry passengers in the rear, provided that no seatbelts are fitted to any seats behind the driver and front passenger seats. Owners of any motorhome that has belts fitted to any seat in the rear will need to be aware that, from May 2009, it will be illegal to carry passengers in any unbelted seats.

The advisability of carrying unrestrained passengers is another matter:-

'... the police can already act where people in the rear of any vehicle are considered to be carried in a dangerous manner because they are unrestrained. [Owners] should beware of unbelted passengers. In a crash, they can injure others in the vehicle
 
I did write a big reply but pressed the wrong button and so just copied and pasted and now it dont make sence.

My point being: if you can sit in a motorhome unbelted providing your safe why can you not do the same in a landrover?

I would just have side facing bench seats if it were me.
 
Exmore have like 6 puny bolts. I have 9 m10 bolts. 6 will go into 50x50 boxsection brackets. I asked before I fitted at local vosa testing site. They told me on that basis they would certify them as safe. Give that to insurance, happy days. As I have removed central seat and added two forward facing ins aint bothered as only 1 extra. For mot they said show cert to tester just in case.
 
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