90 security

I have just bought a full length canvas and hoodsticks to put on my 90 in
the summer. Was wondering about the best way to make sure its secure. I wont
be keeping anything in it. It already has a hidden ignition cut off switch
but I was wondering about something more visible/physical. One thing I
thought off was a handbrake lock, Jetlock I think its called, anygood or
does anyone have any other ideas?
Thanks
Richard

> It already has a hidden ignition cut off
> switch but I was wondering about something more visible/physical.

You've the right idea in trying to keep it where you've parked it rather
than trying to stop people getting into it.

I read somewhere recently (might have been here, not sure) about a clutch
lock. Basically seemed like a oneway value operated by a key you plumb into
the clutch hydraulics. One the would-be thief press presses clutch, it
stays on the floor.
Can also be plumbed into the brakes, though there were some legal concerns
apparently.


Gromit

This this is the clutch lock I saw,
if it isn't it operates on the same principle.

http://www.mecklocksystem.co.uk/cars.html


Gromit

I should have said earlier I have had a demo of the locking clutch system
and very good it was too. The only problem is that mine is an auto - wot no
clutch.
Thanks anyway
Richard


"Gromit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> This this is the clutch lock I saw,
> if it isn't it operates on the same principle.
>
> http://www.mecklocksystem.co.uk/cars.html
>
>
> Gromit

>
> This this is the clutch lock I saw,
> if it isn't it operates on the same principle.
>
The clutch lock and handbrake lock are both very easily defeated with a set
of bolt cutters under the vehicle. Much land rover crime is by organised
gangs, who would get round both those in seconds unfortunately.

Perhaps a better way would be some device to lock it into park, with
suitable shielding underneath to prevent cutting of the cable/linkage,
together with a decent steering lock (weld an eye to the chassis, protruding
through the floor, and chain the wheel to it, a padlocked chain is one of
the hardest locks to break, as you cant get any purchase on the lock to
lever it)
This together with a decent alarm system will give you about as much
protection as you need, at the end of the day, no matter what locks, alarm
etc you have on there, if someone comes along with a HIAB, chucks it on the
back of the truck and drives off, then its gone.

FWIW, some of my work involves removing vehicles without the owners consent
(on request of the police) and the worst ones to move are autos locked in
park, and any vehicle with the steering locked at an angle. If it takes me
10-20 minutes to load, with an alarm going off all the time, its attracts
quite a crowd. No hassle to me, but if I was a thief, then I think I would
be well out of there!

Richard wrote:
> I should have said earlier I have had a demo of the locking clutch
> system and very good it was too. The only problem is that mine is an
> auto - wot no clutch.
> Thanks anyway
> Richard
>
>
> "Gromit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> This this is the clutch lock I saw,
>> if it isn't it operates on the same principle.
>>
>> http://www.mecklocksystem.co.uk/cars.html
>>
>>
>> Gromit

I had a constant problem in the late 80's early 90's with a R5 GT turbo i had./ Every scmbag on earth
tried to nick it, they even broke into my garage by removing the roof. They never got away with it as i
used to remove the coil - dizzy lead every night. Crude, but effective. Other way, get a wheel clamp,
they have to make a lot of noise to gte it off & should work.

Mind you, after getting burgled for my wifes car keys, we installed CCTV for next to nothing & caught a
scumbag within 48 hours!

The CCTV thing is really very effective for other things too, my daughter plays in the4 front garden
etc,. In fact i caught a scumbag using our garden as a cut through last Saturday, I asked him what the
feck he was doing & he replied 'what's it got to do with you?' I calmly told him if he ever comes in my
garden again he will be terminated & pointed to thye cameras & the dogs sign! He didnt reply & ****ed off
quick.

The problem with this country is a total lack of respect.

Nige

--
Subaru WRX (The Bitch)

Series 3 Landrover 88" (Albert)

"If you tolerate this then your children will be next"

So SimonJ was, like

> Perhaps a better way would be some device to lock it into park, with
> suitable shielding underneath to prevent cutting of the cable/linkage,
> together with a decent steering lock (weld an eye to the chassis,
> protruding through the floor, and chain the wheel to it, a padlocked
> chain is one of the hardest locks to break, as you cant get any
> purchase on the lock to lever it)

But steering wheels are easy to cut with boltcroppers - the vehicle remains
more-or-less driveable. The only steering locks worth the bother (AIUI) are
the ones that cover the whole rim of the wheel. You can have the best
chain/padlock in the world, but if the thief cuts a 2" section out of the
wheel, it's gone.

--

Rich

Pas d'elle yeux Rhone que nous

>> This this is the clutch lock I saw,
>> if it isn't it operates on the same principle.
>>
> The clutch lock and handbrake lock are both very easily defeated with a
> set of bolt cutters under the vehicle.

I don't see how the system I was referring to could be defeated with bolt
cutters.
Take cutters to it and you've a puddle of DOT4 on the ground.

Gromit

> I don't see how the system I was referring to could be defeated with bolt
> cutters.
> Take cutters to it and you've a puddle of DOT4 on the ground.

...that engages the clutch and you don't necessarily need to disengage it
to drive.

"Gromit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> I don't see how the system I was referring to could be defeated with bolt
> cutters.
> Take cutters to it and you've a puddle of DOT4 on the ground.


Is this the system that hydraulically locks the clutch down ??

What a stupid idea ! Clutch slave cylinders and clutch forks don't last very
long as it it is without leaving them for hours under load.

You will have to fix the crap handbrake too as you won't be able to leave it
in gear anymore.

Just a thought

--
Marc

FOR SALE : DISCOVERY II (02) SERENGETTI 7SEAT 39,000 MILES FSH (sold)
DISCOVERY II (51) GS7, ACE, SLS, CLIMATE,67,000 MILES
B.F.G AT'S
DISCOVERY TDI R REG EPSOM GREEN, 7SEATS, AC, AW.
DISCOVERY TDI M REG VAN 100,000 MILES.

The one I was shown locked the clutch up, ie. you couldnt push it down. I
assume there is a valve between the master and slave cylinder?
Richard


"Marc Draper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Gromit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> I don't see how the system I was referring to could be defeated with bolt
>> cutters.
>> Take cutters to it and you've a puddle of DOT4 on the ground.
>
>
> Is this the system that hydraulically locks the clutch down ??
>
> What a stupid idea ! Clutch slave cylinders and clutch forks don't last
> very
> long as it it is without leaving them for hours under load.
>
> You will have to fix the crap handbrake too as you won't be able to leave
> it
> in gear anymore.
>
> Just a thought
>
> --
> Marc
>
> FOR SALE : DISCOVERY II (02) SERENGETTI 7SEAT 39,000 MILES FSH (sold)
> DISCOVERY II (51) GS7, ACE, SLS, CLIMATE,67,000 MILES
> B.F.G AT'S
> DISCOVERY TDI R REG EPSOM GREEN, 7SEATS, AC, AW.
> DISCOVERY TDI M REG VAN 100,000 MILES.
>
>

"Richard" <richardsemail [email protected]> wrote in message
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> The one I was shown locked the clutch up, ie. you couldnt push it down. I
> assume there is a valve between the master and slave cylinder?
> Richard


Yup that would be kinder on the mechanics, but pretty useless as an anti
theft device.


--
Marc

FOR SALE : DISCOVERY II (02) SERENGETTI 7SEAT 39,000 MILES FSH
DISCOVERY II (51) GS7, ACE, SLS, CLIMATE,67,000 MILES
B.F.G AT'S
DISCOVERY TDI R REG EPSOM GREEN, 7SEATS, AC, AW.
DISCOVERY TDI M REG VAN 100,000 MILES.

> > The clutch lock and handbrake lock are both very easily defeated with a
> > set of bolt cutters under the vehicle.
>
> I don't see how the system I was referring to could be defeated with bolt
> cutters.
> Take cutters to it and you've a puddle of DOT4 on the ground.
>
I am assuming that the system holds the clutch in (disengaged). Cut the
pipe, then you have the clutch permanently engaged, and you simply drive
away clutchless.

If the system just blocks the system, so the clutch is permanently engaged,
it doesn't stop the vehicle being driven, again, you drive off clutchless.

> > Perhaps a better way would be some device to lock it into park, with
> > suitable shielding underneath to prevent cutting of the cable/linkage,
> > together with a decent steering lock (weld an eye to the chassis,
> > protruding through the floor, and chain the wheel to it, a padlocked
> > chain is one of the hardest locks to break, as you cant get any
> > purchase on the lock to lever it)
>
> But steering wheels are easy to cut with boltcroppers - the vehicle
remains
> more-or-less driveable. The only steering locks worth the bother (AIUI)
are
> the ones that cover the whole rim of the wheel. You can have the best
> chain/padlock in the world, but if the thief cuts a 2" section out of the
> wheel, it's gone.
>
Bugger, your right of course.

Back to the drawing board!

In article <[email protected]>, Richard wrote:
> I should have said earlier I have had a demo of the locking clutch system
> and very good it was too. The only problem is that mine is an auto - wot no
> clutch.
> Thanks anyway
> Richard
>

Take a look at the Clutch Claw, it's advertised in all the mags. I've got
one and it locks the clutch and brake pedals togther so neither can be used.

Maybe it could be made to work with an auto and lock just the brake.


They are supposed to be very secure and have been subjected to lots of
abuse to test them.

--
simon at sbarr dot demon dot co dot uk
Simon Barr.
'97 110 300Tdi.

So SimonJ was, like

>>> Perhaps a better way would be some device to lock it into park, with
>>> suitable shielding underneath to prevent cutting of the
>>> cable/linkage, together with a decent steering lock (weld an eye to
>>> the chassis, protruding through the floor, and chain the wheel to
>>> it, a padlocked chain is one of the hardest locks to break, as you
>>> cant get any purchase on the lock to lever it)
>>
>> But steering wheels are easy to cut with boltcroppers - the vehicle
>> remains more-or-less driveable. The only steering locks worth the
>> bother (AIUI) are the ones that cover the whole rim of the wheel.
>> You can have the best chain/padlock in the world, but if the thief
>> cuts a 2" section out of the wheel, it's gone.
>>
> Bugger, your right of course.
>
> Back to the drawing board!

Mind you, "going equipped" with boltcroppers does suggest a serious
approach, the kind of scrote who will get the car eventually whatever you
do. A big f*ck-off chain and padlock should deter most casual thieves.

--

Rich

Pas d'elle yeux Rhone que nous

I have one of those but if it were hauled up on the back of a lorry, the
thieves could remove and replace the pedals at there leisure.

One thing you have to ask yourself is, if you lost the key, what would you
do. I wouldn't attempt to saw through the clutch claw, I would go for the
weakest point,

However round here they are mostly idiots and like to make things difficult
for themselves like the characters who tried to crowbar my rear doorhandle
off, when a screwdriver in the lock would have done the job much easier.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes




"Simon Barr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>, Richard
wrote:
> > I should have said earlier I have had a demo of the locking clutch
system
> > and very good it was too. The only problem is that mine is an auto - wot
no
> > clutch.
> > Thanks anyway
> > Richard
> >
>
> Take a look at the Clutch Claw, it's advertised in all the mags. I've got
> one and it locks the clutch and brake pedals togther so neither can be
used.
>
> Maybe it could be made to work with an auto and lock just the brake.
>
>
> They are supposed to be very secure and have been subjected to lots of
> abuse to test them.
>
> --
> simon at sbarr dot demon dot co dot uk
> Simon Barr.
> '97 110 300Tdi.

In article <[email protected]>, Larry wrote:
> I have one of those but if it were hauled up on the back of a lorry, the
> thieves could remove and replace the pedals at there leisure.
>

Of course. There is not a lot you can do to defend against that
though.

The 110 has also got an alarm and immobiliser so the Clutch claw
isn't the only defense.


> One thing you have to ask yourself is, if you lost the key, what would you
> do. I wouldn't attempt to saw through the clutch claw, I would go for the
> weakest point,
>

I have thought about this and I'm not certain what I would do. Most
likely I would get the angle grinder on it. You could cut the pedals
but I don't know how easy it is to fit new ones. You may be better off
just sacrificing the Clutch claw, you'd also get an idea of how hard they
are to remove.



--
simon at sbarr dot demon dot co dot uk
Simon Barr.
'97 110 300Tdi.

Personally i use the central door locking and the factory fitted alarm. In additon to these i have fitted a PIR sensor shed alarm. Which cannot be tampered with without dismantling the dash! When movement is detected it has a 110db alarm go off. Just incase no one hears that i have a baby monitor which charges off the veh. electrics but runs on batteries when the engine is off. It's good for 24hrs! Again it can't be tampered with without major surgery.
If i hear the slightest of noises i'm out checking on it! Also i park so that you can't just 'roll' off my drive. You have to shuffle back and too a little!

So if some theiving sh*ts try they will have to be like ghosts to get past it all!

Holy thread revival!!

I've just realised how old this thread is!! Sorry!!