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hi hope someone in here can help

got a knocking after about 5 mins from the righthand bank

new lifters and a new cam

knock still there

replaced the rocker arms

knock still there

any ideas ?

its still got all the power but the knocking is doing my head in

many thanks

jon


 

"jon" <jon.harding@zetnetdotcodotuk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> hi hope someone in here can help
>
> got a knocking after about 5 mins from the righthand bank
>
> new lifters and a new cam
>
> knock still there
>
> replaced the rocker arms
>
> knock still there
>
> any ideas ?
>
> its still got all the power but the knocking is doing my head in
>
> many thanks
>
> jon
>
>


You've done everything I would have done.
Check your toolbox - are you missing a spanner?
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"jon" <jon.harding@zetnetdotcodotuk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> hi hope someone in here can help
>
> got a knocking after about 5 mins from the righthand bank
>
> new lifters and a new cam
>
> knock still there
>
> replaced the rocker arms
>
> knock still there
>
> any ideas ?
>
> its still got all the power but the knocking is doing my head in
>
> many thanks
>
> jon


It's possible that what you are hearing is "cam walk", a knocking noise
caused by the camshaft walking back and forward slightly in the block as it
rotates. This only tends to occur on engines with a keeper plate style of
location on the front of the cam though, serpentine belted engines onwards.
Land rover actually had a form of recall / tech bulletin about this on early
Disco II and P38 models.
It's also possible that it could be one of the follwing:- small-end, piston
slap, crank bearings or camshaft bearings, but it's hard to diagnose without
actually hearing it.
Badger.
B.H.Engineering,
Rover V8 engine specialists.
www.bhengineering.co.uk
www.roverv8engines.com



 

"Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "jon" <jon.harding@zetnetdotcodotuk> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> hi hope someone in here can help
>>
>> got a knocking after about 5 mins from the righthand bank
>>
>> new lifters and a new cam
>>
>> knock still there
>>
>> replaced the rocker arms
>>
>> knock still there
>>
>> any ideas ?
>>
>> its still got all the power but the knocking is doing my head in
>>
>> many thanks
>>
>> jon

>
> It's possible that what you are hearing is "cam walk", a knocking noise
> caused by the camshaft walking back and forward slightly in the block as
> it
> rotates. This only tends to occur on engines with a keeper plate style of
> location on the front of the cam though, serpentine belted engines
> onwards.
> Land rover actually had a form of recall / tech bulletin about this on
> early
> Disco II and P38 models.
> It's also possible that it could be one of the follwing:- small-end,
> piston
> slap, crank bearings or camshaft bearings, but it's hard to diagnose
> without
> actually hearing it.
> Badger.
> B.H.Engineering,
> Rover V8 engine specialists.
> www.bhengineering.co.uk
> www.roverv8engines.com
>
>
>

thanks for the info people

need to work out the costs :eek:(

thanks


 

"jon" <jon.harding@zetnetdotcodotuk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "jon" <jon.harding@zetnetdotcodotuk> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> hi hope someone in here can help
> >>
> >> got a knocking after about 5 mins from the righthand bank
> >>
> >> new lifters and a new cam
> >>
> >> knock still there
> >>
> >> replaced the rocker arms
> >>
> >> knock still there
> >>
> >> any ideas ?
> >>
> >> its still got all the power but the knocking is doing my head in
> >>
> >> many thanks
> >>
> >> jon

> >
> > It's possible that what you are hearing is "cam walk", a knocking noise
> > caused by the camshaft walking back and forward slightly in the block as
> > it
> > rotates. This only tends to occur on engines with a keeper plate style

of
> > location on the front of the cam though, serpentine belted engines
> > onwards.
> > Land rover actually had a form of recall / tech bulletin about this on
> > early
> > Disco II and P38 models.
> > It's also possible that it could be one of the follwing:- small-end,
> > piston
> > slap, crank bearings or camshaft bearings, but it's hard to diagnose
> > without
> > actually hearing it.
> > Badger.
> > B.H.Engineering,
> > Rover V8 engine specialists.
> > www.bhengineering.co.uk
> > www.roverv8engines.com
> >
> >
> >

> thanks for the info people
>
> need to work out the costs :eek:(
>
> thanks


Thinking further, it's unlikely to be piston slap, that normally manifests
itself instantly on cold start and goes away in varying degrees as the
engine reaches working temp and everything expands with the heat.
How loud a knock is it? Is it a dull knock audible with the stereo on, or is
it relatively quiet but just that you are more aware of it? It might be
worth getting an oil pressure test carried out on it to see if the pressure
is excessively low (less than 7 or 8psi at idle or 25ish at 2400rpm), also
worth a quick check to see that the front pulley bolt is tight!
If it has a dizzy, remove the cap and turn the engine with a socket on the
front pulley - turn it back and forward and see how many degrees it moves to
take up any slack before the dizzy turns. Any more than about 5 degrees and
the cam chain is stretched, which will give rise to a knock also.
Badger.


 

"Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "jon" <jon.harding@zetnetdotcodotuk> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> > "jon" <jon.harding@zetnetdotcodotuk> wrote in message
>> > news:[email protected]...
>> >> hi hope someone in here can help
>> >>
>> >> got a knocking after about 5 mins from the righthand bank
>> >>
>> >> new lifters and a new cam
>> >>
>> >> knock still there
>> >>
>> >> replaced the rocker arms
>> >>
>> >> knock still there
>> >>
>> >> any ideas ?
>> >>
>> >> its still got all the power but the knocking is doing my head in
>> >>
>> >> many thanks
>> >>
>> >> jon
>> >
>> > It's possible that what you are hearing is "cam walk", a knocking noise
>> > caused by the camshaft walking back and forward slightly in the block
>> > as
>> > it
>> > rotates. This only tends to occur on engines with a keeper plate style

> of
>> > location on the front of the cam though, serpentine belted engines
>> > onwards.
>> > Land rover actually had a form of recall / tech bulletin about this on
>> > early
>> > Disco II and P38 models.
>> > It's also possible that it could be one of the follwing:- small-end,
>> > piston
>> > slap, crank bearings or camshaft bearings, but it's hard to diagnose
>> > without
>> > actually hearing it.
>> > Badger.
>> > B.H.Engineering,
>> > Rover V8 engine specialists.
>> > www.bhengineering.co.uk
>> > www.roverv8engines.com
>> >
>> >
>> >

>> thanks for the info people
>>
>> need to work out the costs :eek:(
>>
>> thanks

>
> Thinking further, it's unlikely to be piston slap, that normally manifests
> itself instantly on cold start and goes away in varying degrees as the
> engine reaches working temp and everything expands with the heat.
> How loud a knock is it? Is it a dull knock audible with the stereo on, or
> is
> it relatively quiet but just that you are more aware of it? It might be
> worth getting an oil pressure test carried out on it to see if the
> pressure
> is excessively low (less than 7 or 8psi at idle or 25ish at 2400rpm), also
> worth a quick check to see that the front pulley bolt is tight!
> If it has a dizzy, remove the cap and turn the engine with a socket on the
> front pulley - turn it back and forward and see how many degrees it moves
> to
> take up any slack before the dizzy turns. Any more than about 5 degrees
> and
> the cam chain is stretched, which will give rise to a knock also.
> Badger.
>
>


thanks for the extra info

had new chain and pulleys with the new camshaft

oil pressure is within limits

seeing the engines in a kit car the noise is loudish but its surrounded by
fibreglass
not steel so it might be that loud

the noise is more based between no 5 & 7 pots

as you can see i hve covered most bases

many thanks for the help

jon




 
jon wrote:
> "Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "jon" <jon.harding@zetnetdotcodotuk> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> "jon" <jon.harding@zetnetdotcodotuk> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> hi hope someone in here can help
>>>>>
>>>>> got a knocking after about 5 mins from the righthand bank
>>>>>
>>>>> new lifters and a new cam
>>>>>
>>>>> knock still there
>>>>>
>>>>> replaced the rocker arms
>>>>>
>>>>> knock still there
>>>>>
>>>>> any ideas ?
>>>>>
>>>>> its still got all the power but the knocking is doing my head in
>>>>>
>>>>> many thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> jon
>>>>
>>>> It's possible that what you are hearing is "cam walk", a
>>>> knocking noise caused by the camshaft walking back and forward
>>>> slightly in the block as
>>>> it
>>>> rotates. This only tends to occur on engines with a keeper plate
>>>> style of location on the front of the cam though, serpentine
>>>> belted engines onwards.
>>>> Land rover actually had a form of recall / tech bulletin about
>>>> this on early
>>>> Disco II and P38 models.
>>>> It's also possible that it could be one of the follwing:-
>>>> small-end, piston
>>>> slap, crank bearings or camshaft bearings, but it's hard to
>>>> diagnose without
>>>> actually hearing it.
>>>> Badger.
>>>> B.H.Engineering,
>>>> Rover V8 engine specialists.
>>>> www.bhengineering.co.uk
>>>> www.roverv8engines.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> thanks for the info people
>>>
>>> need to work out the costs :eek:(
>>>
>>> thanks

>>
>> Thinking further, it's unlikely to be piston slap, that normally
>> manifests itself instantly on cold start and goes away in varying
>> degrees as the engine reaches working temp and everything expands
>> with the heat. How loud a knock is it? Is it a dull knock audible with the stereo
>> on, or is
>> it relatively quiet but just that you are more aware of it? It
>> might be worth getting an oil pressure test carried out on it to
>> see if the pressure
>> is excessively low (less than 7 or 8psi at idle or 25ish at
>> 2400rpm), also worth a quick check to see that the front pulley
>> bolt is tight! If it has a dizzy, remove the cap and turn the engine with a
>> socket on the front pulley - turn it back and forward and see how
>> many degrees it moves to
>> take up any slack before the dizzy turns. Any more than about 5
>> degrees and
>> the cam chain is stretched, which will give rise to a knock also.
>> Badger.
>>
>>

>
> thanks for the extra info
>
> had new chain and pulleys with the new camshaft
>
> oil pressure is within limits
>
> seeing the engines in a kit car the noise is loudish but its
> surrounded by fibreglass
> not steel so it might be that loud
>
> the noise is more based between no 5 & 7 pots
>
> as you can see i hve covered most bases
>
> many thanks for the help
>
> jon


Not using any water is it?


 

"Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> jon wrote:
>> "Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "jon" <jon.harding@zetnetdotcodotuk> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> "Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>> "jon" <jon.harding@zetnetdotcodotuk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> hi hope someone in here can help
>>>>>>
>>>>>> got a knocking after about 5 mins from the righthand bank
>>>>>>
>>>>>> new lifters and a new cam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> knock still there
>>>>>>
>>>>>> replaced the rocker arms
>>>>>>
>>>>>> knock still there
>>>>>>
>>>>>> any ideas ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> its still got all the power but the knocking is doing my head in
>>>>>>
>>>>>> many thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> jon
>>>>>
>>>>> It's possible that what you are hearing is "cam walk", a
>>>>> knocking noise caused by the camshaft walking back and forward
>>>>> slightly in the block as
>>>>> it
>>>>> rotates. This only tends to occur on engines with a keeper plate
>>>>> style of location on the front of the cam though, serpentine
>>>>> belted engines onwards.
>>>>> Land rover actually had a form of recall / tech bulletin about
>>>>> this on early
>>>>> Disco II and P38 models.
>>>>> It's also possible that it could be one of the follwing:-
>>>>> small-end, piston
>>>>> slap, crank bearings or camshaft bearings, but it's hard to
>>>>> diagnose without
>>>>> actually hearing it.
>>>>> Badger.
>>>>> B.H.Engineering,
>>>>> Rover V8 engine specialists.
>>>>> www.bhengineering.co.uk
>>>>> www.roverv8engines.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> thanks for the info people
>>>>
>>>> need to work out the costs :eek:(
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Thinking further, it's unlikely to be piston slap, that normally
>>> manifests itself instantly on cold start and goes away in varying
>>> degrees as the engine reaches working temp and everything expands
>>> with the heat. How loud a knock is it? Is it a dull knock audible with
>>> the stereo
>>> on, or is
>>> it relatively quiet but just that you are more aware of it? It
>>> might be worth getting an oil pressure test carried out on it to
>>> see if the pressure
>>> is excessively low (less than 7 or 8psi at idle or 25ish at
>>> 2400rpm), also worth a quick check to see that the front pulley
>>> bolt is tight! If it has a dizzy, remove the cap and turn the engine
>>> with a
>>> socket on the front pulley - turn it back and forward and see how
>>> many degrees it moves to
>>> take up any slack before the dizzy turns. Any more than about 5
>>> degrees and
>>> the cam chain is stretched, which will give rise to a knock also.
>>> Badger.
>>>
>>>

>>
>> thanks for the extra info
>>
>> had new chain and pulleys with the new camshaft
>>
>> oil pressure is within limits
>>
>> seeing the engines in a kit car the noise is loudish but its
>> surrounded by fibreglass
>> not steel so it might be that loud
>>
>> the noise is more based between no 5 & 7 pots
>>
>> as you can see i hve covered most bases
>>
>> many thanks for the help
>>
>> jon

>
> Not using any water is it?
>

no water loss after 150 mile drive
ears a bit sore :eek:(
as i said theres no loss of power which is the anoying part

let the car sit for a while then start it up the no noise for a while then
away it goes

thanks for all your help people looks like a rebuild over the winter

thanks again

jon


 
jon wrote:
> "Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> jon wrote:
>>> "Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> "jon" <jon.harding@zetnetdotcodotuk> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "jon" <jon.harding@zetnetdotcodotuk> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>> hi hope someone in here can help
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> got a knocking after about 5 mins from the righthand bank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> new lifters and a new cam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> knock still there
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> replaced the rocker arms
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> knock still there
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> any ideas ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> its still got all the power but the knocking is doing my head in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> many thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> jon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's possible that what you are hearing is "cam walk", a
>>>>>> knocking noise caused by the camshaft walking back and forward
>>>>>> slightly in the block as
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> rotates. This only tends to occur on engines with a keeper plate
>>>>>> style of location on the front of the cam though, serpentine
>>>>>> belted engines onwards.
>>>>>> Land rover actually had a form of recall / tech bulletin about
>>>>>> this on early
>>>>>> Disco II and P38 models.
>>>>>> It's also possible that it could be one of the follwing:-
>>>>>> small-end, piston
>>>>>> slap, crank bearings or camshaft bearings, but it's hard to
>>>>>> diagnose without
>>>>>> actually hearing it.
>>>>>> Badger.
>>>>>> B.H.Engineering,
>>>>>> Rover V8 engine specialists.
>>>>>> www.bhengineering.co.uk
>>>>>> www.roverv8engines.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> thanks for the info people
>>>>>
>>>>> need to work out the costs :eek:(
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>
>>>> Thinking further, it's unlikely to be piston slap, that normally
>>>> manifests itself instantly on cold start and goes away in varying
>>>> degrees as the engine reaches working temp and everything expands
>>>> with the heat. How loud a knock is it? Is it a dull knock audible
>>>> with the stereo
>>>> on, or is
>>>> it relatively quiet but just that you are more aware of it? It
>>>> might be worth getting an oil pressure test carried out on it to
>>>> see if the pressure
>>>> is excessively low (less than 7 or 8psi at idle or 25ish at
>>>> 2400rpm), also worth a quick check to see that the front pulley
>>>> bolt is tight! If it has a dizzy, remove the cap and turn the
>>>> engine with a
>>>> socket on the front pulley - turn it back and forward and see how
>>>> many degrees it moves to
>>>> take up any slack before the dizzy turns. Any more than about 5
>>>> degrees and
>>>> the cam chain is stretched, which will give rise to a knock also.
>>>> Badger.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> thanks for the extra info
>>>
>>> had new chain and pulleys with the new camshaft
>>>
>>> oil pressure is within limits
>>>
>>> seeing the engines in a kit car the noise is loudish but its
>>> surrounded by fibreglass
>>> not steel so it might be that loud
>>>
>>> the noise is more based between no 5 & 7 pots
>>>
>>> as you can see i hve covered most bases
>>>
>>> many thanks for the help
>>>
>>> jon

>>
>> Not using any water is it?
>>

> no water loss after 150 mile drive
> ears a bit sore :eek:(
> as i said theres no loss of power which is the anoying part
>
> let the car sit for a while then start it up the no noise for a while
> then away it goes
>
> thanks for all your help people looks like a rebuild over the winter
>
> thanks again
>
> jon


Hydraulic tappet not pressurising?

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"GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> jon wrote:
>> "Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> jon wrote:
>>>> "Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>> "jon" <jon.harding@zetnetdotcodotuk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "jon" <jon.harding@zetnetdotcodotuk> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>>> hi hope someone in here can help
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> got a knocking after about 5 mins from the righthand bank
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> new lifters and a new cam
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> knock still there
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> replaced the rocker arms
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> knock still there
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> any ideas ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> its still got all the power but the knocking is doing my head in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> many thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> jon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's possible that what you are hearing is "cam walk", a
>>>>>>> knocking noise caused by the camshaft walking back and forward
>>>>>>> slightly in the block as
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> rotates. This only tends to occur on engines with a keeper plate
>>>>>>> style of location on the front of the cam though, serpentine
>>>>>>> belted engines onwards.
>>>>>>> Land rover actually had a form of recall / tech bulletin about
>>>>>>> this on early
>>>>>>> Disco II and P38 models.
>>>>>>> It's also possible that it could be one of the follwing:-
>>>>>>> small-end, piston
>>>>>>> slap, crank bearings or camshaft bearings, but it's hard to
>>>>>>> diagnose without
>>>>>>> actually hearing it.
>>>>>>> Badger.
>>>>>>> B.H.Engineering,
>>>>>>> Rover V8 engine specialists.
>>>>>>> www.bhengineering.co.uk
>>>>>>> www.roverv8engines.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks for the info people
>>>>>>
>>>>>> need to work out the costs :eek:(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Thinking further, it's unlikely to be piston slap, that normally
>>>>> manifests itself instantly on cold start and goes away in varying
>>>>> degrees as the engine reaches working temp and everything expands
>>>>> with the heat. How loud a knock is it? Is it a dull knock audible
>>>>> with the stereo
>>>>> on, or is
>>>>> it relatively quiet but just that you are more aware of it? It
>>>>> might be worth getting an oil pressure test carried out on it to
>>>>> see if the pressure
>>>>> is excessively low (less than 7 or 8psi at idle or 25ish at
>>>>> 2400rpm), also worth a quick check to see that the front pulley
>>>>> bolt is tight! If it has a dizzy, remove the cap and turn the
>>>>> engine with a
>>>>> socket on the front pulley - turn it back and forward and see how
>>>>> many degrees it moves to
>>>>> take up any slack before the dizzy turns. Any more than about 5
>>>>> degrees and
>>>>> the cam chain is stretched, which will give rise to a knock also.
>>>>> Badger.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> thanks for the extra info
>>>>
>>>> had new chain and pulleys with the new camshaft
>>>>
>>>> oil pressure is within limits
>>>>
>>>> seeing the engines in a kit car the noise is loudish but its
>>>> surrounded by fibreglass
>>>> not steel so it might be that loud
>>>>
>>>> the noise is more based between no 5 & 7 pots
>>>>
>>>> as you can see i hve covered most bases
>>>>
>>>> many thanks for the help
>>>>
>>>> jon
>>>
>>> Not using any water is it?
>>>

>> no water loss after 150 mile drive
>> ears a bit sore :eek:(
>> as i said theres no loss of power which is the anoying part
>>
>> let the car sit for a while then start it up the no noise for a while
>> then away it goes
>>
>> thanks for all your help people looks like a rebuild over the winter
>>
>> thanks again
>>
>> jon

>
> Hydraulic tappet not pressurising?
>
> --


Funny I was just thinking similar when I did my top end rebuild I
accidently turned the rocker shaft which buggerd up the oil feed on one bank
easily sorted I pulled the cover off and found that there was little or no
feed on that side .
Derek


 
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