300tdi or 2.25 petrol LPG

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I looked at the new regulations regarding Historic vehicle's and engine conversions when I was planning to change the engine in my Mk2 Gilbern invader. There were so many differing opinions floating around the internet that I decided to go to the horse's mouth and read the Act of Parliament itself.
There were a couple of very stretchy loop holes like Safety reasons, parts supply & environmental reasons, the latter could be used to justify a more modern engine but given the climate of opinion I doubt that would fly with a diesel. Then there is the maximum 15% (I think that's the number) BHP increase. If a more modern engine with lower emissions was fitted but had more than 15% more BHP, would it fall foul?
It came down to interpretation and what the interpreter wants to achieve through their interpretation. I figured this would come down to if a cop on the roadside wanted to find a reason to be problematic then they would chose an interpretation to suit that purpose.
When it comes to the 15% BHP like that is bit more difficult for them to utilise at the roadside than something as obvious as an engine swap.
I concluded that to be safe I would stick with the Essex V6, tune it a bit & fit a 5 speed gearbox.

I rebuilt the 2.25 in my previous truck some 25years ago when I was a spotty teenager. These engines are super simple so, I'd suggest you buy the Haynes Manual and do it yourself. It's an enjoyable process & a nice feeling to be driving and engine you built yourself.

My '82 Stage 1 V8 has a 300TDi/R380 and drives very nicely, pulls well, returning 27mpg on mixed driving. I like it. But I will put it back to V8 + LPG prior to it becoming Historic in a few years time.
 
When it comes down to it who is policing it anyway. The Dvla go on what you tell them for example an aquaintence has a 200tdi in series 3 all above board and came back as historic and mot exempt. Bit of a power upgrade there but my 2.5n/a was actually a reduction in power from the original petrol so no problem there.
If the vehicle is actually as its described on the V5 and the Dvla have signed it off then who's to say its an illegal conversion or not. Swansea need to get a bit more involved rather than just putting "Land rover, Blue" on the logbook put what it actually is an stop a lot of ****takers spoiling it for the rest of us with there coil sprung tdi disc braked power steering ringers.
Whew.... Didn, t know I cared.
 
I looked at the new regulations regarding Historic vehicle's and engine conversions when I was planning to change the engine in my Mk2 Gilbern invader. There were so many differing opinions floating around the internet that I decided to go to the horse's mouth and read the Act of Parliament itself.
There were a couple of very stretchy loop holes like Safety reasons, parts supply & environmental reasons, the latter could be used to justify a more modern engine but given the climate of opinion I doubt that would fly with a diesel. Then there is the maximum 15% (I think that's the number) BHP increase. If a more modern engine with lower emissions was fitted but had more than 15% more BHP, would it fall foul?
It came down to interpretation and what the interpreter wants to achieve through their interpretation. I figured this would come down to if a cop on the roadside wanted to find a reason to be problematic then they would chose an interpretation to suit that purpose.
When it comes to the 15% BHP like that is bit more difficult for them to utilise at the roadside than something as obvious as an engine swap.
I concluded that to be safe I would stick with the Essex V6, tune it a bit & fit a 5 speed gearbox.

I rebuilt the 2.25 in my previous truck some 25years ago when I was a spotty teenager. These engines are super simple so, I'd suggest you buy the Haynes Manual and do it yourself. It's an enjoyable process & a nice feeling to be driving and engine you built yourself.

My '82 Stage 1 V8 has a 300TDi/R380 and drives very nicely, pulls well, returning 27mpg on mixed driving. I like it. But I will put it back to V8 + LPG prior to it becoming Historic in a few years time.
Just wondering why you put a tdi into a stage 1.
 
When it comes down to it who is policing it anyway. The Dvla go on what you tell them for example an aquaintence has a 200tdi in series 3 all above board and came back as historic and mot exempt. Bit of a power upgrade there but my 2.5n/a was actually a reduction in power from the original petrol so no problem there.
If the vehicle is actually as its described on the V5 and the Dvla have signed it off then who's to say its an illegal conversion or not. Swansea need to get a bit more involved rather than just putting "Land rover, Blue" on the logbook put what it actually is an stop a lot of ****takers spoiling it for the rest of us with there coil sprung tdi disc braked power steering ringers.
Whew.... Didn, t know I cared.

The issue as I see it is more the attitude of the cops, who are policing it, while the DVLA administer it.
Having a disagreement with the DVLA over what should be stated on the V5 is a non acute situation. The vehicle can simply kept off the road & not be used while the paperwork is sorted with the DVLA. Where as dealing with the cops on the road side is an acute situation that if it goes really badly could see the vehicle disappearing on a low loader while being faced with the not inconsiderable task of getting it back. Whether the action of the cops is legit or not, through malice or ignorance, is another matter entirely. And, one which I would rather avoid.
I looked at it from a perspective of where could it go wrong. If I happen to get stopped by a cop with a chip on their shoulder who decides that I'm a worthy recipient of their self loathing then that's what I'm working to in the first instance, not the DVLA.
I know a guy who has a S2 88 with a V8 in a shortened RR chassis and the V5 indicates its an Historic Vehicle. He's not complaining, but no matter how creative I am in interpreting the legislation, I can't get that to work. Not even as a re-bodied RR as I think the chassis shortening is a "Significant modification". Just my opinion.
Personally I think the MOT exemption is going to become problematic in the coming years. I think the cops will start targeting MOT exempt cars for mini roadside MOT checks. I watched this happen last summer where a guy got pulled (not a classic car) and the cops went over the car. There are loads of stories of shiny E-Types showing up for an MOT and failing on significant rust issues unbeknownst to their owners. That's even before we get to the P155 takers who are knowingly driving around with vehicles that don't met MOT standards. I can't help but fell Land Rovers will cop a good deal of attention as classic Land Rovers are an awful lot cheaper than many classics and may possibly attract people who want to run a car as cheaply as possible.
When my Gilbern returns to the road, despite being of 1971 vintage, I get an MOT for it. I know its a point in time test etc, but it has the potential to save a lot of hassle, with the cops, but also if there is a situation involving Insurance companies.
 
!00% agree with you on the trouble to come with MOT exemption. The govt web site says something like "will be subject to review" and I can see that showing up a few problems. The MOT was always an opprtunity to get the worst rust buckets, DIY mods and ringers off the road, wiithout that I think it could become a free for all. At the moment i fear we are in the honeymoon period where most MOT exempt vehicles are only a year or 2 beyond their last MOT, but when that gets to 5 years I predict problems. I used to drive 1950,s and 60s Jags, they are heavy, fast (140plus), put a lot of load on the suspension mounts and have some very dangrous hidden rust traps. My XK 140 did (as per the name) 140 but the rear spring hangers came away from the chassis with rust, found out because the bumper started to move. Could have been a very differnet story.
 
Kooda - Just the inspiration I needed. I will rebuild my first engine. I already have a Haynes manual so I'm half way there. Cheers
 
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