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300tdi engine install problem

Discussion in 'Defender 90 / 110 / 130' started by ONE LIFE LIVE IT. D90, Jan 7, 2017.

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  1. ONE LIFE LIVE IT. D90

    ONE LIFE LIVE IT. D90 Active Member

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    It was only a matter of time before I had to put a thread up regarding a problem fitting the engine...

    Its a 300tdi up to a defender r380. And I'm having great difficulty getting the engine to sit up to the bell housing correctly. The top of the engine sits up to the bell housing fine at 12 o clock. However the bottom of the engine is an inch and half away from the bell housing.

    No matter what I do, I can't get it to butt up. If I lower the engine, it sits on the engine mounts.

    Any advise, tips and comments welcomed. Thanks guys
     
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    julianf Well-Known Member

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    Is the gearbox mounted at the correct height? You have not missed out any bushes / spacers or anything?
     
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    Magicgrotto Well-Known Member

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    Have I dream'pt it that some of the HOLES are wrong ?:rolleyes:
     
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    GATSO Well-Known Member

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    can you jack the bell housing up to close the bottom gap
     
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    julianf Well-Known Member

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    Thinking about it, can't you raise the gearbox front a little? I can't really remember, but dont they both keep.each other in place?
     
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    Beat me to it!
     
  7. ONE LIFE LIVE IT. D90

    ONE LIFE LIVE IT. D90 Active Member

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    Thanks all for your help.

    I've done that chaps, tried to jack the bell housing/gearbox with no luck. I used a clutch alignment tool bought off ebay too so I don't think that's the problem.

    Granted the engine hoist does seem to be lifting the front of the engine, but no matter how I position the chains, the hoist still seems to lift the front. Then when I lower it, it's hitting the chassis engine mounts so I can't lower it anymore.

    I'm a real novice it this, never removed or fitted an engine before so it's all learning for me.

    How much can I jack the gearbox up without doin any damage anywhere?
     
  8. ONE LIFE LIVE IT. D90

    ONE LIFE LIVE IT. D90 Active Member

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    Bell housing holes? Crist I hope not, didn't think of that
     
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    A fair bit, basically the front of the gearbox drops quite a lot because the engine keeps it level. Failing that you could take the mounts off the side of the engine. I always use an engine leveller from machine mart. If you're desperate I can meet you on the m54 early tomorrow morning as I'm going for a play in Wales :p
     
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    300's are usually mated to 380 gearboxes it's only when you try and get it mated to a lt77 there's problems with the lower studs
     
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    O/L/L/I I think their's a thread on here some were !:rolleyes: about the HOLES in the Bell Housing ! :rolleyes:
     
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    When I did mine ! (300tdi Disco) I had the same problem:eek: Ba*ted would NOT go together:mad::mad:
    Droped box in to pit AGAIN:mad: TOOK CLUTCH out & found it would not go on G/BOX main shaft
    Gave it a clout with a HAMMER & got it sliding on & off ! built it back together & it when't together straight away no probs !:):)
     
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    + Are you sure it's a r380 box? Reverse to you & back !:rolleyes:
     
  14. ONE LIFE LIVE IT. D90

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    That's very kind of you again mate thank you for the offer. I'll give it another go with the jack a bit more under the gearbox, and try the hoit's in another position, and see how we get on. Thank you

    Magicgrotto, thank you too for your help. Yeah it's deffo an r380 haha, i may try taking the clutch off like you and see if it fits on the shaft OK.

    Cheers to you all, I'll give it another bash tomorrow. Fingers crossed
     
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    KEEP us INFORMED on your progress ! or not as the case may be !:rolleyes:
     
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    This could be a daft question lads, but i have to ask just incase...

    300tdi discovery engine mounting brackets are the same as defender 300tdi arent they? They fit to the block the same I know that. Just wondered if they were a different height or something.
     
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    Not as far as I'm aware, I've just dropped a complete discovery 300tdi, R380 and lt230 straight into a defender chassis.
     
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    Thanks Aaron. It's not that then
     
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    Still no luck chaps. Really annoying now!

    Jacked gearbox up, then the opposite happened, gap at the top of the bellhousing and closed up at the bottom. Even if I go half way and split the difference it still won't go!

    Took engine back out, double checked clutch plate would go on gearbox shaft, it slid on no problem. Checked alignment with spigot bush, also fine. I used a genuine landrover spigot bush too
     
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    Try fitting the engine with the clutch removed, see if it goes together.
     
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