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"Bob Hobden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> See...
>
> http://www.autocar.co.uk/News_Article.asp?NA_ID=221957
>
> the official Ford released pictures now out with more details of the
engine
> to be used.
>
> --
> Regards
> Bob H
> 17mls W. of London.UK
>
>

Can it be run with a hammer a spanner and a plastique to heat up a bent
steering rod ?
Bet it can't.
Going the way of all SUV's OK in Chelsea usless in the bush, lost its way.


 

"Bob Hobden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> See...
>
> http://www.autocar.co.uk/News_Article.asp?NA_ID=221957
>
> the official Ford released pictures now out with more details of the
> engine to be used.
>
> --
> Regards
> Bob H
> 17mls W. of London.UK
Hmmm speculation had it ( blame me why dont you ) that Ford would raid the
parts bin for a suitable engine odd tho the new Transit 2.4 common rail has
various outputs though not 120 bhp as quoted the 6 speed gearbox looks a
dammed fine idea that should slow down the onset of deafness in motorway
users.

Derek

seeing is believing, belief is everything, therefore that what I can't see
cannot exist so thats a lot of daytime TV written off for a start


 

"Hirsty's" wrote after
>
> "Bob Hobden" posted

>> See...
>>
>> http://www.autocar.co.uk/News_Article.asp?NA_ID=221957
>>
>> the official Ford released pictures now out with more details of the
> engine
>> to be used.
>>
>
> Can it be run with a hammer a spanner and a plastique to heat up a bent
> steering rod ?
> Bet it can't.
> Going the way of all SUV's OK in Chelsea usless in the bush, lost its way.
>
The only real change to the mechanics of the vehicle is the engine/gearbox,
and it's not the first time thats happened. We all wait to see if the new
engine/gearbox is an improvement.
However 120bhp and 265ftlb sounds OK especially as 235ftlb is available at
1500revs, so it's got some low down grunt which is a change over the TD5.
Lets hope the pedal is tuned properly.
Should also have a more relaxed cruising gait with that high 6th gear.

--
Regards
Bob H



 
Hirsty's wrote:

>
> "Bob Hobden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> See...
>>
>> http://www.autocar.co.uk/News_Article.asp?NA_ID=221957
>>
>> the official Ford released pictures now out with more details of the
> engine
>> to be used.
>>
>> --
>> Regards
>> Bob H
>> 17mls W. of London.UK
>>
>>
>
> Can it be run with a hammer a spanner and a plastique to heat up a bent
> steering rod ?
> Bet it can't.
> Going the way of all SUV's OK in Chelsea usless in the bush, lost its way.

Don't have to have the 2007 model for that. Bloke in WA had to cut short his
trip and have his Defender shipped (at Landrover expense under warranty) to
the nearest dealer over 1000km away as no local mechanic would even look at
it due to all the electronics. Ruined his trip - took about two weeks to
get the Defender plus trailer back due to problems finding a carrier that
could take it. The problem? Faulty throttle potentiometer.

Problem is already there, made worse by the lack of dealers. No wonder
Toyota has most of the market.
JD
 
"Bob Hobden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> The only real change to the mechanics of the vehicle is the
engine/gearbox,
> and it's not the first time thats happened. We all wait to see if the new
> engine/gearbox is an improvement.
> However 120bhp and 265ftlb sounds OK especially as 235ftlb is available at
> 1500revs, so it's got some low down grunt which is a change over the TD5.
> Lets hope the pedal is tuned properly.
> Should also have a more relaxed cruising gait with that high 6th gear.
>

I see the tail end "The new Defender goes on sale in the first half of next
year, with prices "slightly increased" from those of the old model." is the
usual sounds we hear in this country (UK) from anyone who wants to put their
hands a lot further into our wallets. Strange how you never hear "We've
been able to include the design enhancements alongside innovative cost
reduction methodology and advanced production through to delivery techniques
which has resulted in us being to offer the vehicle with prices considerably
reduced from those of the old model" .... meaning, of course, "We've put a
different style badge on it and made most of it from plastic. In China."

Steve


 

"JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hirsty's wrote:
>
>>
>> "Bob Hobden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> See...
>>>
>>> http://www.autocar.co.uk/News_Article.asp?NA_ID=221957
>>>
>>> the official Ford released pictures now out with more details of the
>> engine
>>> to be used.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards
>>> Bob H
>>> 17mls W. of London.UK
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Can it be run with a hammer a spanner and a plastique to heat up a bent
>> steering rod ?
>> Bet it can't.
>> Going the way of all SUV's OK in Chelsea usless in the bush, lost its
>> way.
>
> Don't have to have the 2007 model for that. Bloke in WA had to cut short
> his
> trip and have his Defender shipped (at Landrover expense under warranty)
> to
> the nearest dealer over 1000km away as no local mechanic would even look
> at
> it due to all the electronics. Ruined his trip - took about two weeks to
> get the Defender plus trailer back due to problems finding a carrier that
> could take it. The problem? Faulty throttle potentiometer.
>
> Problem is already there, made worse by the lack of dealers. No wonder
> Toyota has most of the market.
> JD

Another reason why I'm going to drive my old 200Tdi till she's dead.
Being an electronics engineer, I know how 1 component worth 2 cents can
bring down thousands of dollars worth of equipment. I love my Land Rovers,
but it's going to be a long long time before I "drive by wire".
I don't fancy my chances of rebuilding an accelerator potentiomenter or a
throttle servo with a handful of Spinefex and some fencing wire while parked
on the edge of the Gunbarrel highway.

--Craig.



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CraigB wrote:

>
> "JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Hirsty's wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Bob Hobden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> See...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.autocar.co.uk/News_Article.asp?NA_ID=221957
>>>>
>>>> the official Ford released pictures now out with more details of the
>>> engine
>>>> to be used.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Regards
>>>> Bob H
>>>> 17mls W. of London.UK
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Can it be run with a hammer a spanner and a plastique to heat up a bent
>>> steering rod ?
>>> Bet it can't.
>>> Going the way of all SUV's OK in Chelsea usless in the bush, lost its
>>> way.
>>
>> Don't have to have the 2007 model for that. Bloke in WA had to cut short
>> his
>> trip and have his Defender shipped (at Landrover expense under warranty)
>> to
>> the nearest dealer over 1000km away as no local mechanic would even look
>> at
>> it due to all the electronics. Ruined his trip - took about two weeks to
>> get the Defender plus trailer back due to problems finding a carrier that
>> could take it. The problem? Faulty throttle potentiometer.
>>
>> Problem is already there, made worse by the lack of dealers. No wonder
>> Toyota has most of the market.
>> JD
>
> Another reason why I'm going to drive my old 200Tdi till she's dead.
> Being an electronics engineer, I know how 1 component worth 2 cents can
> bring down thousands of dollars worth of equipment. I love my Land Rovers,
> but it's going to be a long long time before I "drive by wire".
> I don't fancy my chances of rebuilding an accelerator potentiomenter or a
> throttle servo with a handful of Spinefex and some fencing wire while
> parked on the edge of the Gunbarrel highway.
>
> --Craig.
>
>
>
Actually, the throttle potentiometer could probably be fixed at least
temporarily by the roadside - problem was diagnosing it without a test book
- symptoms apparently appeared to be fuel related.
JD
 
On or around Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:50:02 +1000, JD <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>
>Don't have to have the 2007 model for that. Bloke in WA had to cut short his
>trip and have his Defender shipped (at Landrover expense under warranty) to
>the nearest dealer over 1000km away as no local mechanic would even look at
>it due to all the electronics. Ruined his trip - took about two weeks to
>get the Defender plus trailer back due to problems finding a carrier that
>could take it. The problem? Faulty throttle potentiometer.

mind, you could carry a spare, on an extended mission, in the same way as
you'd carry other spares - especially if it's a known failure point. OK, on
a new vehicle, the known failure points are less obvious. But other things
have problems, the much-admired 300 TDi and its cambelt, for example.

>Problem is already there, made worse by the lack of dealers. No wonder
>Toyota has most of the market.

Lack of dealers in the US is a historic thing, traditionally, LR has been a
very minor niche player in the US. it's only recently that they've been
seriously importing. If lots of people in the US wanted to by landies,
there'd be more dealers.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"The great masses of the people ... will more easily fall victims to
a great lie than to a small one" Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
from Mein Kampf, Ch 10
 
On or around Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:38:31 GMT, "Derek"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Hmmm speculation had it ( blame me why dont you ) that Ford would raid the
>parts bin for a suitable engine odd tho the new Transit 2.4 common rail has
>various outputs though not 120 bhp as quoted the 6 speed gearbox looks a
>dammed fine idea that should slow down the onset of deafness in motorway
>users.

they've probably tweaked the tuning a bit. It's quite close to the top spec
transit version though. I don't know if they've tweaked it for more torque
lower in the rev range...

Once they're available I'll have to go over to Like's and try and blag a
test drive :)


--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Ask yourself whether you are happy, and you cease to be so."
John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873)
 
In message <[email protected]>
"Steve" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Bob Hobden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > The only real change to the mechanics of the vehicle is the
> engine/gearbox,
> > and it's not the first time thats happened. We all wait to see if the new
> > engine/gearbox is an improvement.
> > However 120bhp and 265ftlb sounds OK especially as 235ftlb is available at
> > 1500revs, so it's got some low down grunt which is a change over the TD5.
> > Lets hope the pedal is tuned properly.
> > Should also have a more relaxed cruising gait with that high 6th gear.
> >
>
> I see the tail end "The new Defender goes on sale in the first half of next
> year, with prices "slightly increased" from those of the old model." is the
> usual sounds we hear in this country (UK) from anyone who wants to put their
> hands a lot further into our wallets. Strange how you never hear "We've
> been able to include the design enhancements alongside innovative cost
> reduction methodology and advanced production through to delivery techniques
> which has resulted in us being to offer the vehicle with prices considerably
> reduced from those of the old model" .... meaning, of course, "We've put a
> different style badge on it and made most of it from plastic. In China."
>
> Steve
>
>

We're *always* hearing about moving manfacturing abroad as it will
reduce cost and how production improvements are going to significantly
reduce overheads - but despite sacrificing our jobs prices *never*
drop. That's why I'll never buy a Dyson - all those poor sods in
Malmsbury who sweated bood for him.......

Richard
--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 
In message <[email protected]>
"Hirsty's" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "Bob Hobden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > See...
> >
> > http://www.autocar.co.uk/News_Article.asp?NA_ID=221957
> >
> > the official Ford released pictures now out with more details of the
> engine
> > to be used.
> >
> > --
> > Regards
> > Bob H
> > 17mls W. of London.UK
> >
> >
>
> Can it be run with a hammer a spanner and a plastique to heat up a bent
> steering rod ?
> Bet it can't.
> Going the way of all SUV's OK in Chelsea usless in the bush, lost its way.
>
>

Well, the engine spec looks very promising. But that dash! Apart
from looking like a reject prop from a 30's Buck Rogers film,
where the hell do my fags, phone etc go! And it looks *very* near
the gear knob, and I'm still not sure my knee is going to have enough
room. The bulge in the middle of the steering wheel is also going to be a
pain in the bum when manouvering, using the palm of your hand. I
can also see that the speedo is going to be difficult to see for
a 6ft plus type person - is that curved bit really necesary?
And I've always hated the colour coded grille and headlamp finishers.
But the main thing is the engine, and that's Good News, and the
crawler gear may be a good thing - as long as there's still a transfer
box. It's a pity they couldn't provide a base version with no eletronics
(except the Engine Management ECU which is unavoidable in the EU)
and a nice basic dash, the fancy one is going to get trashed in a
working vehicle.

Richard
--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 
In message <[email protected]>
JD <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hirsty's wrote:
>
> >
> > "Bob Hobden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> See...
> >>
> >> http://www.autocar.co.uk/News_Article.asp?NA_ID=221957
> >>
> >> the official Ford released pictures now out with more details of the
> > engine
> >> to be used.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards
> >> Bob H
> >> 17mls W. of London.UK
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Can it be run with a hammer a spanner and a plastique to heat up a bent
> > steering rod ?
> > Bet it can't.
> > Going the way of all SUV's OK in Chelsea usless in the bush, lost its way.
>
> Don't have to have the 2007 model for that. Bloke in WA had to cut short his
> trip and have his Defender shipped (at Landrover expense under warranty) to
> the nearest dealer over 1000km away as no local mechanic would even look at
> it due to all the electronics. Ruined his trip - took about two weeks to
> get the Defender plus trailer back due to problems finding a carrier that
> could take it. The problem? Faulty throttle potentiometer.
>
> Problem is already there, made worse by the lack of dealers. No wonder
> Toyota has most of the market.
> JD

How true - Toyota employ engineers, not "designers".

Richard

--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:50:02 +1000, JD <[email protected]>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>
>>Don't have to have the 2007 model for that. Bloke in WA had to cut short
>>his trip and have his Defender shipped (at Landrover expense under
>>warranty) to the nearest dealer over 1000km away as no local mechanic
>>would even look at it due to all the electronics. Ruined his trip - took
>>about two weeks to get the Defender plus trailer back due to problems
>>finding a carrier that could take it. The problem? Faulty throttle
>>potentiometer.
>
> mind, you could carry a spare, on an extended mission, in the same way as
> you'd carry other spares - especially if it's a known failure point. OK,
> on
> a new vehicle, the known failure points are less obvious. But other
> things have problems, the much-admired 300 TDi and its cambelt, for
> example.
>
>>Problem is already there, made worse by the lack of dealers. No wonder
>>Toyota has most of the market.
>
> Lack of dealers in the US is a historic thing, traditionally, LR has been
> a
> very minor niche player in the US. it's only recently that they've been
> seriously importing. If lots of people in the US wanted to by landies,
> there'd be more dealers.

I'm not in the US - WA = Western Australia. USED to be almost 100%
Landrover, now almost 100% Toyota.
JD
 
"beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1f7d505b4e%[email protected]...
>
<snip>
>
> and a nice basic dash, the fancy one is going to get trashed in a
> working vehicle.
>

You mean no more "Dad, the sheepdogs have been sat in the front again all
covered in mud". "Never mind son, just put the hose on it and leave the
doors open for half an hour".

Ah yes sorry, I was forgetting. The target customer isn't the hard-working
man and his 'tools' any more. I wonder how that dash will stand up to
"squaddification" or whether a military version will appear without all the
Chelsea hairdresser add-ons?

Steve


 
In article <[email protected]>,
Steve <[email protected]> wrote:
>Ah yes sorry, I was forgetting. The target customer isn't the hard-working
>man and his 'tools' any more. I wonder how that dash will stand up to
>"squaddification" or whether a military version will appear without all the
>Chelsea hairdresser add-ons?

Reports in the press a while back (early this year, IIRC) were
that if Ford bid for the MoD contract for replacement of the
current Land-Rovers then they were going to do so with a
Ranger derivative, not with any version of the Defender.

If I'm remembering the article right, the Army was reported
as much preferring the Pinzgauer to anything else. It looks
now as if they're going to get some of them.

--
Andy Breen ~ Speaking for myself, not the University of Wales
"your suggestion rates at four monkeys for six weeks"
(Peter D. Rieden)

 
In message <[email protected]>
"Steve" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1f7d505b4e%[email protected]...
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > and a nice basic dash, the fancy one is going to get trashed in a
> > working vehicle.
> >
>
> You mean no more "Dad, the sheepdogs have been sat in the front again all
> covered in mud". "Never mind son, just put the hose on it and leave the
> doors open for half an hour".
>
> Ah yes sorry, I was forgetting. The target customer isn't the hard-working
> man and his 'tools' any more. I wonder how that dash will stand up to
> "squaddification" or whether a military version will appear without all the
> Chelsea hairdresser add-ons?
>
> Steve
>
>

I doubt there will be a military version as such - press reports
(for what they are worth) indicate the British Army is intent on
severing it's links with LR. If there were a military version, it
would certainly be of more interest to me (and a lot of our
customers I suspect) than the Chelsea Tractor version pictured
though - minus any expensive EMP protection of course!

Richard

--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 
In message <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Andrew Robert Breen) wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Steve <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Ah yes sorry, I was forgetting. The target customer isn't the hard-working
> >man and his 'tools' any more. I wonder how that dash will stand up to
> >"squaddification" or whether a military version will appear without all the
> >Chelsea hairdresser add-ons?
>
> Reports in the press a while back (early this year, IIRC) were
> that if Ford bid for the MoD contract for replacement of the
> current Land-Rovers then they were going to do so with a
> Ranger derivative, not with any version of the Defender.
>
> If I'm remembering the article right, the Army was reported
> as much preferring the Pinzgauer to anything else. It looks
> now as if they're going to get some of them.
>

Excellent - so now we fight everyone eles's war, using
everyone else's equipment! I don't think I'm very keen on that.

I can feel a rant about spending the money on the health service
instead, or charging for our services......... hummmm better
shut up I think!

Richard

--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 
On or around Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:39:20 +1000, JD <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> On or around Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:50:02 +1000, JD <[email protected]>
>> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>
>>>Don't have to have the 2007 model for that. Bloke in WA had to cut short
>>>his trip and have his Defender shipped (at Landrover expense under
>>>warranty) to the nearest dealer over 1000km away as no local mechanic
>>>would even look at it due to all the electronics. Ruined his trip - took
>>>about two weeks to get the Defender plus trailer back due to problems
>>>finding a carrier that could take it. The problem? Faulty throttle
>>>potentiometer.
>>
>> mind, you could carry a spare, on an extended mission, in the same way as
>> you'd carry other spares - especially if it's a known failure point. OK,
>> on
>> a new vehicle, the known failure points are less obvious. But other
>> things have problems, the much-admired 300 TDi and its cambelt, for
>> example.
>>
>>>Problem is already there, made worse by the lack of dealers. No wonder
>>>Toyota has most of the market.
>>
>> Lack of dealers in the US is a historic thing, traditionally, LR has been
>> a
>> very minor niche player in the US. it's only recently that they've been
>> seriously importing. If lots of people in the US wanted to by landies,
>> there'd be more dealers.
>
>I'm not in the US - WA = Western Australia. USED to be almost 100%
>Landrover, now almost 100% Toyota.
>JD

oops, mea culpa. But the comments about the US are still valid.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Too Busy: Your mind is like a motorway. Sometimes it can be jammed by
too much traffic. Avoid the jams by never using your mind on a
Bank Holiday weekend.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
And let's not forget that Santana has gained the approval to participate in
the UK MoD tenders for new vehicles.

Take care
Pantelis (not living in the UK but reading a lot about Landies)


"Andrew Robert Breen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Steve <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Ah yes sorry, I was forgetting. The target customer isn't the
hard-working
> >man and his 'tools' any more. I wonder how that dash will stand up to
> >"squaddification" or whether a military version will appear without all
the
> >Chelsea hairdresser add-ons?
>
> Reports in the press a while back (early this year, IIRC) were
> that if Ford bid for the MoD contract for replacement of the
> current Land-Rovers then they were going to do so with a
> Ranger derivative, not with any version of the Defender.
>
> If I'm remembering the article right, the Army was reported
> as much preferring the Pinzgauer to anything else. It looks
> now as if they're going to get some of them.
>
> --
> Andy Breen ~ Speaking for myself, not the University of Wales
> "your suggestion rates at four monkeys for six weeks"
> (Peter D. Rieden)
>


 
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