2005 td4 hse radio reception

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Framtaff

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Hi I have very poor radio reception on Medium wave. Fm is good. There appears to be a crack in the thread of the ariel roof base unit.
Is this likely to be the culprit? I'm loathe to splash out 30 quid (gps version as I have hse) and replace it only to find the problem remains.

Thanks for any advice. Kind regards Nick
 
Is this likely to be the culprit? I'm loathe to splash out 30 quid (gps version as I have hse) and replace it only to find the problem remains.

MW doesn't come from the roof aerial. MW is received via a coil inside the radio casing. The radio is inside the car body, so the signal is already weak.

So there's little you can do to improve reception, other than reducing local interference from the vehicle itself.
 
Hi thanks for the speedy reply and saving time and money on pointless repair.

I use MW for radio 5 and talk sport mainly for news and sport so I do really miss it.

I suppose its time for a new head unit upgrade but I am fearful of making a mess of it and ending up no better off after spending a load of cash.
 
Hi I have very poor radio reception on Medium wave. Fm is good. There appears to be a crack in the thread of the ariel roof base unit.
Is this likely to be the culprit? I'm loathe to splash out 30 quid (gps version as I have hse) and replace it only to find the problem remains.

Thanks for any advice. Kind regards Nick

WRT FM, my antenna came clean off at the base where the thread screws in. Reception seems unaffected.
 
I suppose its time for a new head unit upgrade but I am fearful of making a mess of it and ending up no better off after spending a load of cash.

I don't think replacing the HU will solve the problem. MW by its very nature is very susceptible to local interference, and the antenna being inside a vehicle, which effectively acts as a Faraday Cage, reducing the MW signal to the point where any interface makes a huge impact.

So before spending money on a new HU, you are better off making sure that local (your vehicle) isn't adding to the general MW noise, overpowering the signal you're trying to receive.

There's loads of information on line about reducing MW interference, and more importantly how to correct it.
 
Hi, just by way of an update I took the ariel off and found I had no MW reception. By wiggling ariel I got improved reception. This prompted me to put a replacement antenna, (old one) and cleaned metal parts and greased it and hey presto I now have 90 percent perfect reception.

It's so satisfying being able to listen to radio 5 and talk sport again.

Maybe it's a quirk of the hse/becker as the ariel wire didn't look very coaxial from the view provided by removing the interior light cluster.

Thanks for everyone's help, advice, ideas and thoughts.
 
Maybe it's a quirk of the hse/becker as the ariel wire didn't look very coaxial from the view provided by removing the interior light cluster.

Maybe it is. I've not looked inside the Becker HU, so maybe it is picking up its MW signal from the standard aerial.
I suppose it could also be some form of interference caused by a bad ground on the coax. Whatever the cause, it's working better now, so you don't need to spend out on a new HU.:)
 
In 't' good old days when MW and LW ruled the air waves, there used to be a 'trimmer' for these bands on a car radio to optimise the signal strength by adjusting a tuned circuit to compensate for the car and aerial being a rubbish environment for radio signals. By turning the trimmer you could improve reception. Dunno if your radio has such a thing. They used to hide the small screw behind the volume control knob or somewhere convenient on the front panel. Worth a look. Tune for optimum smoke was the expression!!! Not literally.....
 
Hi, OK a further update. Reception is affected when driving as the ariel is being buffeted and moves so I get rubbish reception. If I hold ariel through sunroof it's ok so. I know it's the ariel base as the female screw thread has a crack.

I think the MW reception is actually AM reception hence it uses the antenna. This is my best guess hypothesis.

Here's the problem, the gps base is unavailable anywhere but I can obviously get a generic or the coaxial freelander base. However the base of my ariel has two wires a blue and black which don't look at all coaxial, more live normal auto wires. Do you think it's possible to buy a normal mount and graft some coaxial onto these two wires?

Thanks for any help. Sorry to have confused everyone about MW versus AM

Best wishes Nick
 
OK a further update. Reception is affected when driving as the ariel is being buffeted and moves so I get rubbish reception. If I hold ariel through sunroof it's ok so. I know it's the ariel base as the female screw thread has a crack.

AM and MW are the same thing. But it does sound like it's using the aerial to receive this frequency.

The reason radios generally use a coil on a ferrite former to receive AM/MW, is due to the longer wavelength than FM. This long wavelength requires a very long aerial, so it's normally wound up on a bobbin inside the unit. So to get good AM/MW on a short aerial, the receiver needs be very sensitive, with heavy pre-amplification. If your FM aerial is broken, and it's being used for AM/MW too, then that is likely to be the problem.

The standard FL1 aerial is a compromise for receiving FM and would be bad at receiving AM. A full wave FM aerial needs to be a little over 3 metres long, for maximum signal power reception, the FM wavelength being a little over 3metres long. However a 3 metre aerial stuck on the car roof would be completely ridiculous. So the aerial is shorted, often to 1/4 wavelength , giving 75 cm, which is about the length of the factory and much more practical for car use. This length is still a compromise, as the aerial needs matching perfectly to the wavelength, which of course changes with the frequency being received.

AM/MW is a different kettle of fish altogether, due to MW's very long wavelength. For MW, the minimum aerial length for good reception at the high end of the scale would be about 170 metres long, which is even more ridiculous on a car. This is why AM/MW aerials are often made of long wire rolled around a bobbin.

So if the Becker nav unit does get it's AM/MW signals from FM aerial, it's definitely not optimized for the job, not even close.
 
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