2002 TD4 Freelander - Fuel Help Please

2002 - Two pump model Freelander 1.

Bit of a story so bear with me please.

Had a non-start situation a while ago and found, from advice on here, that a tap on the under bonnet pump may work. It did.

Knowing that it would fail at some point I have just fitted a new pump and filter (also but may not be relevant, a new battery)

Anyway, all done, a few plasters on the hands but all OK. Switched on ign, let the pump prime and then started it. Switched it off after checking for leaks etc and all good.

Decided to road-test it and it was instant start and drove perfectly. Got back home and switched off.

Ten minutes later went to start it and nothing. Spins over fine, pump is purring away but no inclination whatsoever to fire up.

I've done a search but can't find anything similar to this problem so any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

silly question but have you also changed the fuel leak off pipes? (return pipes)

i had a saab that was doing the same ,turned out to be them ,alot of vauxhalls suffer from it too ,

if they are degraded the fuel does not pass and starting gets harder and harder till none start or will run fine then just not start again

No 'griff' I haven't changed anything but the actual fuel filter and under bonnet fuel pump.

Not sure if this is relevant but I just tried turning on the ignition without starting and the pump buzzes but doesn't stop.

Is the pump in the tank also running.
It sounds like you have air between the pumps and the new wing mounted jobby is working overtime and not getting fuel through.
I would check for air getting into the system.

Im not to sure but if the pump buzzes but not stop i would def say check the leak off pipes as if there leaking air will get in and those the system will not work correctly

there very easy to change and a good thread on here some where or if not if you look throw my thread called " help needed or something like that ) i changed mine and took photos of it ,think cost me around £5

My hearing is not brilliant but I can't hear the tank pump at all.

More expense looming.

Is there a test for this pump or anything worth trying before getting the wallet out again ?

Thanks guys

You could try cleaning the connectors or give it a tap with a hammer.
I also wonder why the pumps fail.
They run in diesel which should lubricate.
Do they just get clogged up?

Has anybody tried to repair one?

Fresh day - fresh start.

12volt supply to tank pump OK, but not running so I removed the pump.

It won't run even with tapping and a direct 12v supply to the actual pump bit.

What the heck is that stuff in the bowl - looks like mangled jellyfish.

Any recommendations on what are good quality replacements without selling my soul for a Land Rover genuine ?






Interestingly, the tank itself is clean with no debris on the bottom at all.

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Looks like a disolved turd.......have you upset anyboby recently

jedi said:

Looks like a disolved turd.......have you upset anyboby recently

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Not me, I'm a nice guy


edit:
Looks like Diesel Bug Common in boats and now increasingly found in vehicles.

http://www.southfuels.co.nz/documents/2012/03/northfuels-diesel-bug-booklet.pdf

**** might check mine !!!!!!

but question is will it just of ####ed the pump or also made its way past the filter and into the fuel lines/injectors

just read the attached pdf

every diesel ive owned in the past has had a tap under the main fuel filter you could undo and let out any trapped WATER

Does the hippo have this tap? if so where on the car is it?

Bugsy said:

Not me, I'm a nice guy


edit:
Looks like Diesel Bug Common in boats and now increasingly found in vehicles.

http://www.southfuels.co.nz/documents/2012/03/northfuels-diesel-bug-booklet.pdf

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Yep, looks like diesel bug, keeping the tank full helps to prevent it as it needs condensation to grow.
I'd get some treatment for the tank.
Seen it a lot in boats left over winter with low level of diesel in the tank.

Can get fuel treatments for the bug, about £15 a litre, though in past on boats I have still ended up draining and flushing the tank to get rid of it.
Bio fuels are more susceptible to the algae than conventional fuel.
As stated earlier keep water drained out of filters and tank which helps

Will antibiotics work? Penacill for example?

Does the hippo have this tap? if so where on the car is it?

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don't know where it is on the 2002 model
but .. on the fuel pump-under-rear-wheel-arch ones
there be a screw-plug underneath just forward of the wheel ..
that drains the sedimenter .. i.e. the container that catches the water ..

btw: the fuel additive "diesel rhino" is supposed to deal with water-in-diesel-fuel
and contains a biocide to stop diesel-bug from growing ..

http://www.dieselrhino.co.uk/DR_Prod_Desc.pdf

http://www.dieselrhino.co.uk/

With the pump removed it's possible to check inside the tank and it's completely clean and no water visible, even in the recess below where the pump fits (the lowest part of the tank).
I've ordered a bacterial treatment which will go in before the new pump arrives. Given that I haven't driven two miles since replacing the filter and lift-pump so they should be OK.
The 'gunge' was only in the bottom of the filter cup and had not entered the wire filter on the bottom of the pump.

The design of the pump means that the fuel is comparatively still in the 'cup' and would not 'slosh' around like in the rest of the tank. That, IMHO, gives a perfect breeding ground for this crap.

I will definitely be keeping the tank full in future.

Just to put this to bed I now have a sweet-running Freelander.

The new in-tank pump and seal arrived this morning and after a bit of a fiddle to screw the securing ring down (is there a knack to this) I ended up with my padded knee pressing down on the pump to get it compressed enough to put the locking ring on.

I have shock-dosed the tank with a Bio 'Diesel-bug" killer so, fingers crossed.

I must sing the praises of 'LR Direct' in the UK, who have provided me with totally excellent service with both the parts and the shipping.

Time for coffee

there is a knack to getting the pump back in ,you have to line it up to seat it properly

teddywood1 said:

there is a knack to getting the pump back in ,you have to line it up to seat it properly

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Yes I know that thanks - the bit of plastic above the sender locates in a slot. I still found it difficult to get the ring to engage.

Anyway, all done now so sorted