2.5 DT Over Heating While Towing...Info...

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There were a plod on one of the Landy forums... can't remember which... who towed an artic and trailer up a motorway slip road with his 'works' RRC plod mobile. Now that's 35 ton in standard trim and motorway slips are seldom slight hills.

Thing is... this wasn't about what it will do but what it's legal to do. If the manufacturer says 3,000 kgs... then that's the legal limit immediately.

Check the vin plate under the bonnet... it's all on there ;)
 
Gross train weight = weight of towing vehicle + trailed weight, gross train weight of 3500kgs = 2000kgs towing vehicle + 1500kgs towed weight = 75% of the towing vehicle weight.
YOU LEGALLY CAN NOT TOW MORE THAN THE TOWING VEHICLES WEIGHT.

Rob....still knows his limits.
 
Rob... YOU'RE WRONG FFS!

Go and look at the MAM (which is the correct terminology for Gross Train Weight) on the Vin plate under the bonnet.

Failing that... phone VOSA like I did.

Cheers,
 
Soloby Rob said:
Gross train weight = weight of towing vehicle + trailed weight, gross train weight of 3500kgs = 2000kgs towing vehicle + 1500kgs towed weight = 75% of the towing vehicle weight.
YOU LEGALLY CAN NOT TOW MORE THAN THE TOWING VEHICLES WEIGHT.

Rob....still knows his limits.
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Yup ! thats the way i read it too !

once :rolleyes:

My landys a commercial veehicle an tested t class 7 Thats threenarf tonne ! but there int no way it weight that !:rolleyes:
 
the 110 were runnin cherry at the time too oooooo i shudda reported im to the filth an cant ye get motas re classed? i.e. 150" and 6x6 special vehicles are classes as 7.5tonne gvw and i recon a 6x6 150 could take a 5th wheel
 
Soloby Rob said:
Gross train weight = weight of towing vehicle + trailed weight, gross train weight of 3500kgs = 2000kgs towing vehicle + 1500kgs towed weight = 75% of the towing vehicle weight.
YOU LEGALLY CAN NOT TOW MORE THAN THE TOWING VEHICLES WEIGHT.

Rob....still knows his limits.
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"Defender has an impressive towing capability, with a braked trailer of 3,500kg...."

Land Rover seems to disagree with you:

Land Rover UK - Features & Specifications - Towing and Carrying

Check> Capabilities>Towing KG

Land Rover UK - Features & Specifications - Technical Specifications

;)
 
Soloby Rob said:
Gross train weight = weight of towing vehicle + trailed weight, gross train weight of 3500kgs = 2000kgs towing vehicle + 1500kgs towed weight = 75% of the towing vehicle weight.
YOU LEGALLY CAN NOT TOW MORE THAN THE TOWING VEHICLES WEIGHT.

Rob....still knows his limits.
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The problem seems to be that GTW has two completely different meanings, Gross Trailer Weight and Gross Train Weight. However, I do know that a RR can legally tow 3500kgs ......

Of course the maximum you can legally tow is also defined by when you passed you driving test, if you passed your test on or after 1st January 1998 you are limited to towing a maximum of the vehicle weight irrespective of what the vehicle GTW states. Am I glad I passed my test before January 1st 1997 when the rules changed :D

Maybe Rob is a youngster ?
 
LOOK even better NO WEIGHT LIMIT...apart from the manufacturers...damm...:eek: ....:D

Category B+E: Vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM towing trailers over 750kgs MAM

Category B+E allows vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM to be combined with trailers in excess of 750kgs MAM. In order to gain this entitlement new category B licence holders have to pass a further practical test for category B+E. There is no category B+E theory test. For driver licensing purposes there are no vehicle/trailer weight ratio limits for category B+E.

Towing trailers or caravans with vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes : Directgov - Motoring
 
zzr1200 said:
In his fifty's so he's profile states, mind you theres always the possibly he's passed his test since the law has been changed.
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Passed my driving test 36 years ago.
Anyone heard of the saying 'tail wagging the dog' ?? in my job as a mechanic I've attended several RTA's involving 'tail wagging the dog' including a Disco flipped onto it's side towing a caravan in a side wind.:eek:
Rob.........prefers to tow less than my vehicle weighs.
 
That's better... "prefer" is fine... "illegal" when it int illegal isn't ;)
 
I'm inclined to think there's more of a chance of the 'tail wagging the dog' with some caravan owners not able to understand "nose weight limit and balance" and the size of caravans some cars are towing is just silly. There can't be many caravans that weigh more than a proper 4x4 (diso being the lightest/smallest).

Professional type people who use their vehicles for work daily towing all sorts of thing from boats, tree waste, chippers, farm equipment and livestock.

The trailers that look lightly loaded these days are the tri-axle flatbeds with a gross of up to 3500KG.

I've seen a couple that seemed well loaded but were being towed by farmer types with quite large self propelled sprayer units on the trailer.
 
when towing a caravan the general rule is that the van weigh,s no more than 80per cent of the tow motor , as for Gross train weight what about axel weight or dont that count on a londy:rolleyes:
 
madfrank said:
when towing a caravan the general rule is that the van weigh,s no more than 80per cent of the tow motor , as for Gross train weight what about axel weight or dont that count on a londy:rolleyes:
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Axle weights do count but partly due to the size of the standard load area/capacity most people would not have a load problem, even with a trailer nose weight of 150kg max (330 lbs) on the tow ball the vehicles axle weight is unlikely to be maxed out. Theres more of a chance of over loading the trailers axle weight than the landy's. Plus I believe (someone please correct if I'm wrong) most trailer manufacturers advise/recommend an imposed nose weight of 50k max, although the couplings designed maximum weight will be much higher.
 
Anyway back to the radiator, pulled the rad tanks off fairly clean inside the tanks, but looking at the core I'd have a guesstimate at about 20-25% blockage of the tubes returning the coolant from the bottom tank to the top tank.

So now its wait and see time until a well load trailer needs to be pulled...
 
Gross train weight = weight of towing vehicle + trailed weight, gross train weight of 3500kgs = 2000kgs towing vehicle + 1500kgs towed weight = 75% of the towing vehicle weight.
YOU LEGALLY CAN NOT TOW MORE THAN THE TOWING VEHICLES WEIGHT.
Rob....still knows his limits.
With relation to the above.....

The 80% trailer to vehicle weight ratio is a towing recomendation as to the maximun safe towing weight, but only a recomendation, and it is recomended that the trailer be braked, if the trailer is not braked or in excess of the 80% limit the vehicle is then legally limited to a maximun towing speed of 40 mph not the limit of 60 mph as with trailer that meet the criteria above

The manual says the vehicle can tow 3.5 tonnes, but it would have to be a braked trailer and limited to 40mph to be on a public highway, but of course we must also consider these vehicles are also designed for off road use,,,,,,

Also the older members of the forum will have driving licences with a 7.5 tonne gross (ie total trailer and car) maximum limit and the younger ones will have a 3.5 tonne max limit and need an aditional driving test to tow up to 7.5 tonnes, and i believe though dont know for certain that you need an aditional test to tow a trailer, I dont know when that changed but I am sure somewone on here will know
 
cbr9blade said:
Gross train weight = weight of towing vehicle + trailed weight, gross train weight of 3500kgs = 2000kgs towing vehicle + 1500kgs towed weight = 75% of the towing vehicle weight.
YOU LEGALLY CAN NOT TOW MORE THAN THE TOWING VEHICLES WEIGHT.
Rob....still knows his limits.
With relation to the above.....

The 80% trailer to vehicle weight ratio is a towing recomendation as to the maximun safe towing weight, but only a recomendation, and it is recomended that the trailer be braked, if the trailer is not braked or in excess of the 80% limit the vehicle is then legally limited to a maximun towing speed of 40 mph not the limit of 60 mph as with trailer that meet the criteria above

The manual says the vehicle can tow 3.5 tonnes, but it would have to be a braked trailer and limited to 40mph to be on a public highway, but of course we must also consider these vehicles are also designed for off road use,,,,,,

Also the older members of the forum will have driving licences with a 7.5 tonne gross (ie total trailer and car) maximum limit and the younger ones will have a 3.5 tonne max limit and need an aditional driving test to tow up to 7.5 tonnes, and i believe though dont know for certain that you need an aditional test to tow a trailer, I dont know when that changed but I am sure somewone on here will know
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That was a good try but completely bollixed. So for your and anyone else info. This is the facts on Trailer Towing.

GTW = Gross Train Weight and is often called MAM.
MAM = Maximum admissible Mass and is the combined, maximum weight of a fully loaded vehicle and the trailer and the trailers load.

A 90/110 Discovery & RR can tow a trailer with MAM of 3.5tonnes on overrun brakes and 4 tonnes if the trailer is fitted with close coupled brakes (Hydraulic or Air brakes)

The maximum speed for towing a trailer in the UK is 60mph on Motorways and dual Carriageways and 50mph on Single lane roads. 30mph in built-up areas. (unless sign indicate otherwise)

Older licences that carry granddad rights allow the holder to drive upto a GTW of 8.25tonnes so 7.5tonne truck & 750kg trailer. or 4.75tonne truck & 3.5tonne trailer.

The new B+E requirement. for which you have to take a test if you want to tow a trailer heavier than 750kg or where the MAM would exceed 3.5tonnes, or where the MAM of the trailer would be greater than the unladen weight (Kerbweight) of the towing vehicle came in on the 1st January 1997.

These links should help to clarify anything you don't understand in the above thread.

Driving licence Driving Licence
Trailer Max Weights Towing Laws
Helpful tips on towing. & speed limits. Trailer Tips

Am gonna stick this in me font of all knowledge anorl.
 
Now that sounds right, at long last.

One very slight addition I believe that close coupled brakes can also be electrically controlled as well these days, not generally available here but can be obtained and fitted legally.
 
zzr1200 said:
Now that sounds right, at long last.

One very slight addition I believe that close coupled brakes can also be electrically controlled as well these days, not generally available here but can be obtained and fitted legally.
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Yes Electric rig ups are very common in the states I believe. But as you say not really that well known here.
 
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