1996 discovery V8i fuel usage

Hi all

Following responses from my first post, I marched off to my Landrover
Franchise and questioned why I am getting consistantly 350-370 km's out of a
tank of fuel, this equates to around 20 litres per 100 km. Information is I
should be using around 15 litres per 100 km's.

The weirdest thing is, last week it ran to half a tank of fuel and was on
track for appropriate fuel usage and from halfway on the gauge it just drank
it.

My daily running is too and from school, this means about 8 km's open road
and 2 km's across town, I live rurally so across town is not a lot of stop
start.

The Landrover franchise put it on the computors and found nothing wrong, the
franchise is around 80km away and they used this journey to do a fuel check,
the result was around 12litres per 100km.

I am at a loss, I am driving very carefully, never exceeding 2200 rpm, no
quick getaways. I dont mind saying that this franchise has behaved less than
honest in the whole deal on this car, I badly need some ideas as this is
costing me 90 dollars a week in fuel.

Hope someone can help.

On the subject of the franchises behavoir, does anyone know who I can speak
to at Landrovers head office, heres the story, I modified a 96 110 to
accomodate my disability, due to regulation changes over here, the air
suspension had to be removed, this left me (a single parent with two kids)
having to urgently replace the 110. I went to Landrover as there were no
other comparable 110's availiable in the country, I figured a good
apraisal/deal. The salesman offered me 23000 based on his retail valuation
of 30,000. This week they put my old 110 on the yard at 38000. Assuming that
they will negotiate from that price and eventually sell the car for 34000,
they STOLE 4000. I read the Landrover magazines like most enthusiates and
get the impression that in the UK Landrover is a cut above the rest. That
dosnt strech to thier foreign franchises.

Interested in thoughts.

Simon composed the following;:
> I read the Landrover magazines like most
> enthusiates and get the impression that in the UK Landrover is a cut
> above the rest. That dosnt strech to thier foreign franchises.

It doesn't stretch to UK Landrover franchises either ...

I steer well clear of them. Mind, that's probably also because I have an
'older' vehicle and they (mostly) are only bothered in the initial sales of
vehicles, they simply don't care for after-sales 'service' or care.

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Paul ...
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On or around Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:53:52 +1300, "Simon" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Hi all
>
>Following responses from my first post, I marched off to my Landrover
>Franchise and questioned why I am getting consistantly 350-370 km's out of a
>tank of fuel, this equates to around 20 litres per 100 km. Information is I
>should be using around 15 litres per 100 km's.

sounds a little on the low side (equates to 14 mpg, according to my
calculator) but...

>My daily running is too and from school, this means about 8 km's open road
>and 2 km's across town, I live rurally so across town is not a lot of stop
>start.

short journey with a basically cold engine - 10 klicks is only just about
enough to get it fully warmed up. Therefore, it'll be running enriched, no
doubt. If you do a lot of that and little open road, then your figure ain't
far off, in truth.
>
>The Landrover franchise put it on the computors and found nothing wrong, the
>franchise is around 80km away and they used this journey to do a fuel check,
>the result was around 12litres per 100km.

a much more reasonable 23.5mpg - I seriously doubt you'll get a V8 disco to
do more than that, even on a steady run.

My 3.5, by comparison, does about 18 mpg driven normally, and might go as
high as 20 by driving steadily and keeping the speed down, but that's no
fun.

>I am at a loss, I am driving very carefully, never exceeding 2200 rpm, no
>quick getaways. I dont mind saying that this franchise has behaved less than
>honest in the whole deal on this car, I badly need some ideas as this is
>costing me 90 dollars a week in fuel.

can't quite see that the franchise has been dishonest (re: the fuel bit),
unless they promised you the car would get 10l/100km all the time or
something. Lets face facts: you have a 2-ton vehicle with (I guess) a
4-litre engine. It's gonna use a lot of fuel, however carefully you drive,
and your daily mileage as described is not calculated to get good mileage
anyway. The fact that on a 100K+ run, you get what I reckon is about as
good mileage as you're likely to shows the vehicle is working correctly.

> The salesman offered me 23000 based on his retail valuation
>of 30,000. This week they put my old 110 on the yard at 38000. Assuming that
>they will negotiate from that price and eventually sell the car for 34000,
>they STOLE 4000. I read the Landrover magazines like most enthusiates and
>get the impression that in the UK Landrover is a cut above the rest. That
>dosnt strech to thier foreign franchises.

Oh, FFS. welcome to the real world. Salesmen aren't in it for love of you
or the car, they're in it to make money. They'll give you the lowest
trade-in you'll accept and put the truck on the forecourt for the highest
price they think they can get away with.

and in the case of a franchise, I doubt LR head office have that much
contort over them. But feel free to try. I'm sure the necessary contact
details are on the web somewhere.
--
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"The breezy call of incense-breathing Morn, The swallow twittering
from the strawbuilt shed, The cock's shrill clarion, or the echoing
horn, No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed."
Thomas Gray, Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard.

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:46:04 +0000, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> The salesman offered me 23000 based on his retail valuation
>>of 30,000. This week they put my old 110 on the yard at 38000. Assuming that
>>they will negotiate from that price and eventually sell the car for 34000,
>>they STOLE 4000. I read the Landrover magazines like most enthusiates and
>>get the impression that in the UK Landrover is a cut above the rest. That
>>dosnt strech to thier foreign franchises.
>
>Oh, FFS. welcome to the real world. Salesmen aren't in it for love of you
>or the car, they're in it to make money. They'll give you the lowest
>trade-in you'll accept and put the truck on the forecourt for the highest
>price they think they can get away with.
>
The OP doesn't state where he is.
My crystal ball may be wrong, but if I'm right, isn't that the place
where they are all descended from a bunch of criminals anyway? ;-)


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On or around Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:35:04 +0000, Colonel Tupperware
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:46:04 +0000, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> The salesman offered me 23000 based on his retail valuation
>>>of 30,000. This week they put my old 110 on the yard at 38000. Assuming that
>>>they will negotiate from that price and eventually sell the car for 34000,
>>>they STOLE 4000. I read the Landrover magazines like most enthusiates and
>>>get the impression that in the UK Landrover is a cut above the rest. That
>>>dosnt strech to thier foreign franchises.
>>
>>Oh, FFS. welcome to the real world. Salesmen aren't in it for love of you
>>or the car, they're in it to make money. They'll give you the lowest
>>trade-in you'll accept and put the truck on the forecourt for the highest
>>price they think they can get away with.

meant to add: If you didn't like the deal, why'd you agree to the trade-in?

>The OP doesn't state where he is.
>My crystal ball may be wrong, but if I'm right, isn't that the place
>where they are all descended from a bunch of criminals anyway? ;-)

hehe. car salesmen will fit right in, then

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
Too Busy: Your mind is like a motorway. Sometimes it can be jammed by
too much traffic. Avoid the jams by never using your mind on a
Bank Holiday weekend.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

Ok thats the fuel usage answered, been a while since I drove a petrol fueled
car I guess.

Re the salesman behavoir.......Not not australia, close though, new zealand.
Not a case of accepting a deal I wasnt happy with, there were no comparable
110's for sale in the country, so its more a case of accepting the salesmans
word on the value to find later that this value was false, I think we can
accept that 8000 dollars is more than a simple mistake.

Good news though, my lawyer informs me that this is a clear case of the deal
being obtained through deceiptful means, so lets go.

Oh btw, Australia may have been settled with convicts but lets not forget
two points...

1. they were English convicts.

2. Most were sent down for petty crimes, even as petty as stealing bread.
What does that say for the Englishmen who sent them there and indeed
remained in Britain to father future generation of English.

I think we can agree that I have successfully parried your thrust.
"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:35:04 +0000, Colonel Tupperware
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:46:04 +0000, Austin Shackles
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> The salesman offered me 23000 based on his retail valuation
>>>>of 30,000. This week they put my old 110 on the yard at 38000. Assuming
>>>>that
>>>>they will negotiate from that price and eventually sell the car for
>>>>34000,
>>>>they STOLE 4000. I read the Landrover magazines like most enthusiates
>>>>and
>>>>get the impression that in the UK Landrover is a cut above the rest.
>>>>That
>>>>dosnt strech to thier foreign franchises.
>>>
>>>Oh, FFS. welcome to the real world. Salesmen aren't in it for love of
>>>you
>>>or the car, they're in it to make money. They'll give you the lowest
>>>trade-in you'll accept and put the truck on the forecourt for the highest
>>>price they think they can get away with.
>
> meant to add: If you didn't like the deal, why'd you agree to the
> trade-in?
>
>>The OP doesn't state where he is.
>>My crystal ball may be wrong, but if I'm right, isn't that the place
>>where they are all descended from a bunch of criminals anyway? ;-)
>
> hehe. car salesmen will fit right in, then
>
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
> Too Busy: Your mind is like a motorway. Sometimes it can be jammed by
> too much traffic. Avoid the jams by never using your mind on a
> Bank Holiday weekend.
> from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

Simon wrote:
>
> Re the salesman behavoir.......Not not australia, close though, new zealand.
> Not a case of accepting a deal I wasnt happy with, there were no comparable
> 110's for sale in the country, so its more a case of accepting the salesmans
> word on the value to find later that this value was false, I think we can
> accept that 8000 dollars is more than a simple mistake.
>
> Good news though, my lawyer informs me that this is a clear case of the deal
> being obtained through deceiptful means, so lets go.

I'd be a bit careful about your lawyer's advice - actually getting any
sort of settlement is likely to cost you as much in legal fees as you
may receive. Realistically, at the end of the day you agreed to the
value they put on your 110, if you didn't do your homework and wish to
cry about it after the event it's pretty much your own fault.

Incidentally, there's a 1998 110 done about 120,000km that's currently
sitting in a Christchurch dealership for $38K - so I'd guess that the
price on yours is somewhat optimistic, and that what you were paid for
it was probably fair enough especially as the market for used late model
Defenders here is fairly small (I paid about what you got as a trade for
a similar sounding vehicle last year).


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On or around Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:53:00 +1300, "Simon" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Re the salesman behavoir.......Not not australia, close though, new zealand.
>Not a case of accepting a deal I wasnt happy with, there were no comparable
>110's for sale in the country, so its more a case of accepting the salesmans
>word on the value to find later that this value was false, I think we can
>accept that 8000 dollars is more than a simple mistake.
>
>Good news though, my lawyer informs me that this is a clear case of the deal
>being obtained through deceiptful means, so lets go.

I wish you luck. I doubt you can get anywhere on the advertised price;
they'l probably claim that they don;t expect to actually sell it for that
much, or something - if however they sell it for 38K, then they have rather
seriously misled you.

not sure how you prove it, in that case.

but anyway, give it a go. A letter from a lawyer might magically make them
discover a "clerical error" in the deal they offered you, or something...

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"
George Orwell (1903 - 1950) Animal Farm

Yep I know about the one in Christchurch, Guess who used to own it. I
said 96 early on I meant 98 (96 is the year of the Disco).

I will say one thing without hesitation, the Mechanical department is good,
they are attending to the faults that were discovered on the discovery
without problems.

If it costs in lawyers fees what I get then so be it, these car dealers get
away with crooked **** all the time, I deliberately went to the landrover
franchise to avoid it, naive, possibly, certainly as it turns out. But
really, would it had hurt the salesman to be up front and honest. Frankly I
am taking this the whole way, Fair Go (a tv show to those interested) I will
even protest outside their doors. Remember this is not el cheapo cars we are
debating its the landrover dealer, a marque vehicle, not bloody daewoo (not
that theres anything wrong with a Daewoo).
"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:53:00 +1300, "Simon" <[email protected]>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Re the salesman behavoir.......Not not australia, close though, new
>>zealand.
>>Not a case of accepting a deal I wasnt happy with, there were no
>>comparable
>>110's for sale in the country, so its more a case of accepting the
>>salesmans
>>word on the value to find later that this value was false, I think we can
>>accept that 8000 dollars is more than a simple mistake.
>>
>>Good news though, my lawyer informs me that this is a clear case of the
>>deal
>>being obtained through deceiptful means, so lets go.
>
> I wish you luck. I doubt you can get anywhere on the advertised price;
> they'l probably claim that they don;t expect to actually sell it for that
> much, or something - if however they sell it for 38K, then they have
> rather
> seriously misled you.
>
> not sure how you prove it, in that case.
>
> but anyway, give it a go. A letter from a lawyer might magically make
> them
> discover a "clerical error" in the deal they offered you, or something...
>
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
> "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"
> George Orwell (1903 - 1950) Animal Farm

Simon wrote:
> Yep I know about the one in Christchurch, Guess who used to own it. I
> said 96 early on I meant 98 (96 is the year of the Disco).

Try Land Rover NZ - (09) 277-5050

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EMB