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icky
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what do they do, how do they work, and does it affect fitting a 2 inch lift?
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JD
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icky wrote:
> what do they do, how do they work, and does it affect fitting a 2 inch
> lift?
They use the suspension movement to pump up a hydraulic accumulator that
provides extra lift via the A-frame to level the rear suspension at the
factory setting, allowing the use of softer springs than otherwise would be
needed for carrying a load. Also fitted to the early Range Rovers, but a
different factory setting.
If the suspension is lifted, they provide no extra lift.
JD
> what do they do, how do they work, and does it affect fitting a 2 inch
> lift?
They use the suspension movement to pump up a hydraulic accumulator that
provides extra lift via the A-frame to level the rear suspension at the
factory setting, allowing the use of softer springs than otherwise would be
needed for carrying a load. Also fitted to the early Range Rovers, but a
different factory setting.
If the suspension is lifted, they provide no extra lift.
JD
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icky
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"JD" <jjd@NOSP_Mtpgi.com.au> wrote in message
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> icky wrote:
>
>> what do they do, how do they work, and does it affect fitting a 2 inch
>> lift?
>
> They use the suspension movement to pump up a hydraulic accumulator that
> provides extra lift via the A-frame to level the rear suspension at the
> factory setting, allowing the use of softer springs than otherwise would
> be
> needed for carrying a load. Also fitted to the early Range Rovers, but a
> different factory setting.
>
> If the suspension is lifted, they provide no extra lift.
> JD
Cheers for that - I'm new to these wierd coil thingies!
Icky.
'If you've got a problem, stuff a worm in it'
Berk - The Trap Door
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beamendsltd
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In message <[email protected]>
"icky" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "JD" <jjd@NOSP_Mtpgi.com.au> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > icky wrote:
> >
> >> what do they do, how do they work, and does it affect fitting a 2 inch
> >> lift?
> >
> > They use the suspension movement to pump up a hydraulic accumulator that
> > provides extra lift via the A-frame to level the rear suspension at the
> > factory setting, allowing the use of softer springs than otherwise would
> > be
> > needed for carrying a load. Also fitted to the early Range Rovers, but a
> > different factory setting.
> >
> > If the suspension is lifted, they provide no extra lift.
> > JD
>
> Cheers for that - I'm new to these wierd coil thingies!
>
> Icky.
> 'If you've got a problem, stuff a worm in it'
> Berk - The Trap Door
>
>
Their main function is to keep the vehicle "level" when the rear
is well loaded, a Station Wagon with 11 passengers is undrivable
if the unit fails. They help with towing, but only if trailer is
far more nose-heavy than it should be.
Richard
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"icky" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "JD" <jjd@NOSP_Mtpgi.com.au> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > icky wrote:
> >
> >> what do they do, how do they work, and does it affect fitting a 2 inch
> >> lift?
> >
> > They use the suspension movement to pump up a hydraulic accumulator that
> > provides extra lift via the A-frame to level the rear suspension at the
> > factory setting, allowing the use of softer springs than otherwise would
> > be
> > needed for carrying a load. Also fitted to the early Range Rovers, but a
> > different factory setting.
> >
> > If the suspension is lifted, they provide no extra lift.
> > JD
>
> Cheers for that - I'm new to these wierd coil thingies!
>
> Icky.
> 'If you've got a problem, stuff a worm in it'
> Berk - The Trap Door
>
>
Their main function is to keep the vehicle "level" when the rear
is well loaded, a Station Wagon with 11 passengers is undrivable
if the unit fails. They help with towing, but only if trailer is
far more nose-heavy than it should be.
Richard
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Ian Rawlings
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On 2006-02-18, beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:
> Their main function is to keep the vehicle "level" when the rear
> is well loaded, a Station Wagon with 11 passengers is undrivable
> if the unit fails.
I've been meaning to pose this question to the hive mind for a while
now. I'd like to fit softer springs to the rear of my 110 pickup to
make the ride a little quieter, I rarely carry a heavy load other than
me. Can I get the best of both worlds with softer springs and a load
leveller?
Answers on a postcard please.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
> Their main function is to keep the vehicle "level" when the rear
> is well loaded, a Station Wagon with 11 passengers is undrivable
> if the unit fails.
I've been meaning to pose this question to the hive mind for a while
now. I'd like to fit softer springs to the rear of my 110 pickup to
make the ride a little quieter, I rarely carry a heavy load other than
me. Can I get the best of both worlds with softer springs and a load
leveller?
Answers on a postcard please.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
J
JD
Guest
Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2006-02-18, beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Their main function is to keep the vehicle "level" when the rear
>> is well loaded, a Station Wagon with 11 passengers is undrivable
>> if the unit fails.
>
> I've been meaning to pose this question to the hive mind for a while
> now. I'd like to fit softer springs to the rear of my 110 pickup to
> make the ride a little quieter, I rarely carry a heavy load other than
> me. Can I get the best of both worlds with softer springs and a load
> leveller?
>
> Answers on a postcard please.
>
I can see no reason why you could not do this except that the self levelling
units are rather pricey. Note that the maximum weight of the wagon with
levelling suspension is a couple of hundred kilos less than without, so
your maximum load would be limited. The levelling was fitted to County trim
wagons, but the suspension of these is identical to other 110s except for
the added self levelling and the lighter springs. Should be a bolt-on job
for any 110, and probably 130 as well I suppose. Not sure about 90, as the
rear axle is different.
JD
> On 2006-02-18, beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Their main function is to keep the vehicle "level" when the rear
>> is well loaded, a Station Wagon with 11 passengers is undrivable
>> if the unit fails.
>
> I've been meaning to pose this question to the hive mind for a while
> now. I'd like to fit softer springs to the rear of my 110 pickup to
> make the ride a little quieter, I rarely carry a heavy load other than
> me. Can I get the best of both worlds with softer springs and a load
> leveller?
>
> Answers on a postcard please.
>
I can see no reason why you could not do this except that the self levelling
units are rather pricey. Note that the maximum weight of the wagon with
levelling suspension is a couple of hundred kilos less than without, so
your maximum load would be limited. The levelling was fitted to County trim
wagons, but the suspension of these is identical to other 110s except for
the added self levelling and the lighter springs. Should be a bolt-on job
for any 110, and probably 130 as well I suppose. Not sure about 90, as the
rear axle is different.
JD
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Pantelis Giamarellos
Guest
Ian Hi,
There is another alternative in the form of adding air suspension bags
inside the rear coil springs. Those inflate with an air compressor (you can
either fit an onboard one or fit an air tank, fill it up with pressurised
air and have a reserve to inflate the air suspension bags a couple of times
until you refill it at a service station. You can find a secondhand air
tank at trucks' breakers for little money)
A set of such air suspension bags will cost you around 90 to 140 pounds from
one of the main LR spare parts sellers but I am sure that Richard will be
able to also offer something interesting.
The self levelling thingy is definately more expensive.
Take care
Pantelis
"Ian Rawlings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 2006-02-18, beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Their main function is to keep the vehicle "level" when the rear
> > is well loaded, a Station Wagon with 11 passengers is undrivable
> > if the unit fails.
>
> I've been meaning to pose this question to the hive mind for a while
> now. I'd like to fit softer springs to the rear of my 110 pickup to
> make the ride a little quieter, I rarely carry a heavy load other than
> me. Can I get the best of both worlds with softer springs and a load
> leveller?
>
> Answers on a postcard please.
>
> --
> Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
There is another alternative in the form of adding air suspension bags
inside the rear coil springs. Those inflate with an air compressor (you can
either fit an onboard one or fit an air tank, fill it up with pressurised
air and have a reserve to inflate the air suspension bags a couple of times
until you refill it at a service station. You can find a secondhand air
tank at trucks' breakers for little money)
A set of such air suspension bags will cost you around 90 to 140 pounds from
one of the main LR spare parts sellers but I am sure that Richard will be
able to also offer something interesting.
The self levelling thingy is definately more expensive.
Take care
Pantelis
"Ian Rawlings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2006-02-18, beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Their main function is to keep the vehicle "level" when the rear
> > is well loaded, a Station Wagon with 11 passengers is undrivable
> > if the unit fails.
>
> I've been meaning to pose this question to the hive mind for a while
> now. I'd like to fit softer springs to the rear of my 110 pickup to
> make the ride a little quieter, I rarely carry a heavy load other than
> me. Can I get the best of both worlds with softer springs and a load
> leveller?
>
> Answers on a postcard please.
>
> --
> Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
B
beamendsltd
Guest
In message <[email protected]>
"Pantelis Giamarellos" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ian Hi,
>
> There is another alternative in the form of adding air suspension bags
> inside the rear coil springs. Those inflate with an air compressor (you can
> either fit an onboard one or fit an air tank, fill it up with pressurised
> air and have a reserve to inflate the air suspension bags a couple of times
> until you refill it at a service station. You can find a secondhand air
> tank at trucks' breakers for little money)
>
> A set of such air suspension bags will cost you around 90 to 140 pounds from
> one of the main LR spare parts sellers but I am sure that Richard will be
> able to also offer something interesting.
>
> The self levelling thingy is definately more expensive.
>
> Take care
> Pantelis
>
>
RRC3266 Coil Spring Helper - Rear 110 Heavy Duty & 130 Extra Heavy Duty
(Not Station Wagon) £17.51 inc VAT
RRC3352 Retainer - Coil Spring Helper - Rear 110 Heavy Duty & 130
Extra Heavy Duty (Not Station Wagon) £ Pend
RRC3355 Retainer - Coil Spring Helper - Rear 110 Heavy Duty & 130
Extra Heavy Duty (Not Station Wagon) £ Pend
This is an extra coil spring that goes inside the existing ones. Cheap
and neat if you need it.
Richard
> "Ian Rawlings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On 2006-02-18, beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Their main function is to keep the vehicle "level" when the rear
> > > is well loaded, a Station Wagon with 11 passengers is undrivable
> > > if the unit fails.
> >
> > I've been meaning to pose this question to the hive mind for a while
> > now. I'd like to fit softer springs to the rear of my 110 pickup to
> > make the ride a little quieter, I rarely carry a heavy load other than
> > me. Can I get the best of both worlds with softer springs and a load
> > leveller?
> >
> > Answers on a postcard please.
> >
> > --
> > Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
>
>
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"Pantelis Giamarellos" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ian Hi,
>
> There is another alternative in the form of adding air suspension bags
> inside the rear coil springs. Those inflate with an air compressor (you can
> either fit an onboard one or fit an air tank, fill it up with pressurised
> air and have a reserve to inflate the air suspension bags a couple of times
> until you refill it at a service station. You can find a secondhand air
> tank at trucks' breakers for little money)
>
> A set of such air suspension bags will cost you around 90 to 140 pounds from
> one of the main LR spare parts sellers but I am sure that Richard will be
> able to also offer something interesting.
>
> The self levelling thingy is definately more expensive.
>
> Take care
> Pantelis
>
>
RRC3266 Coil Spring Helper - Rear 110 Heavy Duty & 130 Extra Heavy Duty
(Not Station Wagon) £17.51 inc VAT
RRC3352 Retainer - Coil Spring Helper - Rear 110 Heavy Duty & 130
Extra Heavy Duty (Not Station Wagon) £ Pend
RRC3355 Retainer - Coil Spring Helper - Rear 110 Heavy Duty & 130
Extra Heavy Duty (Not Station Wagon) £ Pend
This is an extra coil spring that goes inside the existing ones. Cheap
and neat if you need it.
Richard
> "Ian Rawlings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On 2006-02-18, beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Their main function is to keep the vehicle "level" when the rear
> > > is well loaded, a Station Wagon with 11 passengers is undrivable
> > > if the unit fails.
> >
> > I've been meaning to pose this question to the hive mind for a while
> > now. I'd like to fit softer springs to the rear of my 110 pickup to
> > make the ride a little quieter, I rarely carry a heavy load other than
> > me. Can I get the best of both worlds with softer springs and a load
> > leveller?
> >
> > Answers on a postcard please.
> >
> > --
> > Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
>
>
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Ian Rawlings
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On 2006-02-19, beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:
> This is an extra coil spring that goes inside the existing ones. Cheap
> and neat if you need it.
So if I fit County springs to my truck instead of the 110 heavy
springs, can I fit a shorter spring inside it to take the load when
the suspension compresses enough? Or am I misunderstanding you?
I'd prefer a shorter spring set inside the main springs if it's
workable, it seems like a good solution.
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> This is an extra coil spring that goes inside the existing ones. Cheap
> and neat if you need it.
So if I fit County springs to my truck instead of the 110 heavy
springs, can I fit a shorter spring inside it to take the load when
the suspension compresses enough? Or am I misunderstanding you?
I'd prefer a shorter spring set inside the main springs if it's
workable, it seems like a good solution.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
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Ian Rawlings
Guest
On 2006-02-19, Pantelis Giamarellos <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ian Hi,
>
> There is another alternative in the form of adding air suspension bags
> inside the rear coil springs.
Hmm, sounds interesting but I'd prefer something simpler rather than
adding airbag, compressors, wiring, pressurised tanks and all the
piping. Especially considering that I don't expect to really use it
very often, the idea of shorter springs inside the main ones that
Richard has mentioned (I think that's what he was saying) sounds more
like my kind of thing.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
> Ian Hi,
>
> There is another alternative in the form of adding air suspension bags
> inside the rear coil springs.
Hmm, sounds interesting but I'd prefer something simpler rather than
adding airbag, compressors, wiring, pressurised tanks and all the
piping. Especially considering that I don't expect to really use it
very often, the idea of shorter springs inside the main ones that
Richard has mentioned (I think that's what he was saying) sounds more
like my kind of thing.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
B
beamendsltd
Guest
In message <[email protected]>
Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2006-02-19, beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > This is an extra coil spring that goes inside the existing ones. Cheap
> > and neat if you need it.
>
> So if I fit County springs to my truck instead of the 110 heavy
> springs, can I fit a shorter spring inside it to take the load when
> the suspension compresses enough? Or am I misunderstanding you?
>
> I'd prefer a shorter spring set inside the main springs if it's
> workable, it seems like a good solution.
>
That's the idea - though self-leveller springs *may* give a bit to
much body roll until the helpers kick in.
Richard
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Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2006-02-19, beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > This is an extra coil spring that goes inside the existing ones. Cheap
> > and neat if you need it.
>
> So if I fit County springs to my truck instead of the 110 heavy
> springs, can I fit a shorter spring inside it to take the load when
> the suspension compresses enough? Or am I misunderstanding you?
>
> I'd prefer a shorter spring set inside the main springs if it's
> workable, it seems like a good solution.
>
That's the idea - though self-leveller springs *may* give a bit to
much body roll until the helpers kick in.
Richard
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Richard Brookman
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....and Ian Rawlings spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
> On 2006-02-19, Pantelis Giamarellos <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Ian Hi,
>>
>> There is another alternative in the form of adding air suspension
>> bags inside the rear coil springs.
>
> Hmm, sounds interesting but I'd prefer something simpler rather than
> adding airbag, compressors, wiring, pressurised tanks and all the
> piping. Especially considering that I don't expect to really use it
> very often, the idea of shorter springs inside the main ones that
> Richard has mentioned (I think that's what he was saying) sounds more
> like my kind of thing.
This may be no use at all, but I have seen what are called "helper springs"
sold through caravan suppliers. They seem to consist of an airbag which you
fit inside the spring and inflate when doing heavy towing. AIUI, they
deflate and come out again when you don't need them. Mainly for the Ford
Mondeo brigade who tow a tonne and a half once a year. They sound a bit of
a fiddle to take in and out, and obviously you need a source of compressed
air to get them blown up to start with, but they don't need air tanks,
on-board compressors and the like. Could be a cheap(er) and simple solution
if you only need the extra spring rating occasionally.
I could be totally wrong on this, as I've never used them, but I've never
let that stop me before
--
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==============================
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and those who don't.
> On 2006-02-19, Pantelis Giamarellos <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Ian Hi,
>>
>> There is another alternative in the form of adding air suspension
>> bags inside the rear coil springs.
>
> Hmm, sounds interesting but I'd prefer something simpler rather than
> adding airbag, compressors, wiring, pressurised tanks and all the
> piping. Especially considering that I don't expect to really use it
> very often, the idea of shorter springs inside the main ones that
> Richard has mentioned (I think that's what he was saying) sounds more
> like my kind of thing.
This may be no use at all, but I have seen what are called "helper springs"
sold through caravan suppliers. They seem to consist of an airbag which you
fit inside the spring and inflate when doing heavy towing. AIUI, they
deflate and come out again when you don't need them. Mainly for the Ford
Mondeo brigade who tow a tonne and a half once a year. They sound a bit of
a fiddle to take in and out, and obviously you need a source of compressed
air to get them blown up to start with, but they don't need air tanks,
on-board compressors and the like. Could be a cheap(er) and simple solution
if you only need the extra spring rating occasionally.
I could be totally wrong on this, as I've never used them, but I've never
let that stop me before
--
Rich
==============================
There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary
and those who don't.
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Ian Rawlings
Guest
On 2006-02-19, beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:
> That's the idea - though self-leveller springs *may* give a bit to
> much body roll until the helpers kick in.
Cheers, it should be OK on the roll front on mine as there's not much
weight up-top at the rear, so if a County is acceptable on County
springs, then mine ought to be. IIRC the 110 County of similar
vintage to mine (1994) didn't have anti-roll-bars in the suspension.
I'll stick helper springs on the list of landy updates, to be worked
on once the plastic rocket is going again sometime next century!
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> That's the idea - though self-leveller springs *may* give a bit to
> much body roll until the helpers kick in.
Cheers, it should be OK on the roll front on mine as there's not much
weight up-top at the rear, so if a County is acceptable on County
springs, then mine ought to be. IIRC the 110 County of similar
vintage to mine (1994) didn't have anti-roll-bars in the suspension.
I'll stick helper springs on the list of landy updates, to be worked
on once the plastic rocket is going again sometime next century!
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Austin Shackles
Guest
On or around Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:38:34 +0000, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>On 2006-02-19, Pantelis Giamarellos <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Ian Hi,
>>
>> There is another alternative in the form of adding air suspension bags
>> inside the rear coil springs.
>
>Hmm, sounds interesting but I'd prefer something simpler rather than
>adding airbag, compressors, wiring, pressurised tanks and all the
>piping. Especially considering that I don't expect to really use it
>very often, the idea of shorter springs inside the main ones that
>Richard has mentioned (I think that's what he was saying) sounds more
>like my kind of thing.
I don't think they're shorter - I think they were designed to give an
increased spring rate without making new thicker springs, for the 130 which
is apt to carry heavier weights. Quite why they did that instead of simply
having heavier springs, I don't know. If you were bothered about ride
quality when running light, then dual-rate springs are easy enough to make -
and a lot of the LR springs are dual-rate anyway.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Something there is that doesn't love a wall."
Robert Frost (1874-1963)
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>On 2006-02-19, Pantelis Giamarellos <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Ian Hi,
>>
>> There is another alternative in the form of adding air suspension bags
>> inside the rear coil springs.
>
>Hmm, sounds interesting but I'd prefer something simpler rather than
>adding airbag, compressors, wiring, pressurised tanks and all the
>piping. Especially considering that I don't expect to really use it
>very often, the idea of shorter springs inside the main ones that
>Richard has mentioned (I think that's what he was saying) sounds more
>like my kind of thing.
I don't think they're shorter - I think they were designed to give an
increased spring rate without making new thicker springs, for the 130 which
is apt to carry heavier weights. Quite why they did that instead of simply
having heavier springs, I don't know. If you were bothered about ride
quality when running light, then dual-rate springs are easy enough to make -
and a lot of the LR springs are dual-rate anyway.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Something there is that doesn't love a wall."
Robert Frost (1874-1963)
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Samuel
Guest
..
>
> Hmm, sounds interesting but I'd prefer something simpler rather than
> adding airbag, compressors, wiring, pressurised tanks and all the
> piping. Especially considering that I don't expect to really use it
> very often, the idea of shorter springs inside the main ones that
> Richard has mentioned (I think that's what he was saying) sounds more
> like my kind of thing.
>
i once saw a series 2a landrover with the standard leaf springs on the rear,
but also had a set of coils that were mounted on the axle, on the diff side
of the leaves. that bloke must have been carrying some serious weight.
anyone else seen these on a series landy?
Sam.
>
> Hmm, sounds interesting but I'd prefer something simpler rather than
> adding airbag, compressors, wiring, pressurised tanks and all the
> piping. Especially considering that I don't expect to really use it
> very often, the idea of shorter springs inside the main ones that
> Richard has mentioned (I think that's what he was saying) sounds more
> like my kind of thing.
>
i once saw a series 2a landrover with the standard leaf springs on the rear,
but also had a set of coils that were mounted on the axle, on the diff side
of the leaves. that bloke must have been carrying some serious weight.
anyone else seen these on a series landy?
Sam.
J
JD
Guest
Samuel wrote:
> .
>>
>> Hmm, sounds interesting but I'd prefer something simpler rather than
>> adding airbag, compressors, wiring, pressurised tanks and all the
>> piping. Especially considering that I don't expect to really use it
>> very often, the idea of shorter springs inside the main ones that
>> Richard has mentioned (I think that's what he was saying) sounds more
>> like my kind of thing.
>>
>
>
> i once saw a series 2a landrover with the standard leaf springs on the
> rear, but also had a set of coils that were mounted on the axle, on the
> diff side of the leaves. that bloke must have been carrying some serious
> weight. anyone else seen these on a series landy?
>
> Sam.
Rubber helper springs are listed in the S2a/3 optional equipment parts book,
RTC8000. I am sure I have seen pictures of the the coil setup you describe
somewhere but can't find it - not in the catalogue of options I have for
2/2a.
JD
> .
>>
>> Hmm, sounds interesting but I'd prefer something simpler rather than
>> adding airbag, compressors, wiring, pressurised tanks and all the
>> piping. Especially considering that I don't expect to really use it
>> very often, the idea of shorter springs inside the main ones that
>> Richard has mentioned (I think that's what he was saying) sounds more
>> like my kind of thing.
>>
>
>
> i once saw a series 2a landrover with the standard leaf springs on the
> rear, but also had a set of coils that were mounted on the axle, on the
> diff side of the leaves. that bloke must have been carrying some serious
> weight. anyone else seen these on a series landy?
>
> Sam.
Rubber helper springs are listed in the S2a/3 optional equipment parts book,
RTC8000. I am sure I have seen pictures of the the coil setup you describe
somewhere but can't find it - not in the catalogue of options I have for
2/2a.
JD
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beamendsltd
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Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2006-02-19, beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > That's the idea - though self-leveller springs *may* give a bit to
> > much body roll until the helpers kick in.
>
> Cheers, it should be OK on the roll front on mine as there's not much
> weight up-top at the rear, so if a County is acceptable on County
> springs, then mine ought to be. IIRC the 110 County of similar
> vintage to mine (1994) didn't have anti-roll-bars in the suspension.
>
All 110 CSW's should have rear anti-roll bars, they are part of the
"County Pack"
> I'll stick helper springs on the list of landy updates, to be worked
> on once the plastic rocket is going again sometime next century!
>
Richard
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Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2006-02-19, beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > That's the idea - though self-leveller springs *may* give a bit to
> > much body roll until the helpers kick in.
>
> Cheers, it should be OK on the roll front on mine as there's not much
> weight up-top at the rear, so if a County is acceptable on County
> springs, then mine ought to be. IIRC the 110 County of similar
> vintage to mine (1994) didn't have anti-roll-bars in the suspension.
>
All 110 CSW's should have rear anti-roll bars, they are part of the
"County Pack"
> I'll stick helper springs on the list of landy updates, to be worked
> on once the plastic rocket is going again sometime next century!
>
Richard
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Samuel
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> >
> > i once saw a series 2a landrover with the standard leaf springs on the
> > rear, but also had a set of coils that were mounted on the axle, on the
> > diff side of the leaves. that bloke must have been carrying some serious
> > weight. anyone else seen these on a series landy?
> >
> > Sam.
>
> Rubber helper springs are listed in the S2a/3 optional equipment parts
book,
> RTC8000. I am sure I have seen pictures of the the coil setup you
describe
> somewhere but can't find it - not in the catalogue of options I have for
> 2/2a.
> JD
The coils weren't rubber, they were steel springs probably from pick-a-part
or something. I doubt this was a factory option, looked very much like a
home done job just like the rest of the car. He had made shelf that came off
the roof out of an old traffic sign. T'was a real heap (with a 202 aswell).
Sam.
> > i once saw a series 2a landrover with the standard leaf springs on the
> > rear, but also had a set of coils that were mounted on the axle, on the
> > diff side of the leaves. that bloke must have been carrying some serious
> > weight. anyone else seen these on a series landy?
> >
> > Sam.
>
> Rubber helper springs are listed in the S2a/3 optional equipment parts
book,
> RTC8000. I am sure I have seen pictures of the the coil setup you
describe
> somewhere but can't find it - not in the catalogue of options I have for
> 2/2a.
> JD
The coils weren't rubber, they were steel springs probably from pick-a-part
or something. I doubt this was a factory option, looked very much like a
home done job just like the rest of the car. He had made shelf that came off
the roof out of an old traffic sign. T'was a real heap (with a 202 aswell).
Sam.
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Pantelis Giamarellos
Guest
Ian Hi,
The helper springs are NOT shorter they are smaller in diameter than the
outter ones of 110 and 130 vehicles.
I am sure you already know that rear 110 and 130 coil springs are larger in
diameter than the rear coils on 90, RaRo Classic and Discovery S1 vehicles.
So the helper springs are positioned inside the rear 110/130 coils offering
an increased load capacity at a much lower cost than the helper shock
absorber. But then again the helper shock absorber's main function is to
re-instate the vehicles parallel position relative to the ground's level.
Helper springs will allow more load to be carried but will not level your
vehicle.
Another option is to fit even stronger coils springs and those were
available by Carmichael for their fire tender applications on 110 and 130
vehicles. They were also available for the Range Rover Classic fire tender
applications and the same company has also produced the helper springs used
for the rear suspension of Camel Trophy specifications Discovery vehicles.
Take care
Pantelis
"Ian Rawlings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2006-02-19, Pantelis Giamarellos <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Ian Hi,
> >
> > There is another alternative in the form of adding air suspension bags
> > inside the rear coil springs.
>
> Hmm, sounds interesting but I'd prefer something simpler rather than
> adding airbag, compressors, wiring, pressurised tanks and all the
> piping. Especially considering that I don't expect to really use it
> very often, the idea of shorter springs inside the main ones that
> Richard has mentioned (I think that's what he was saying) sounds more
> like my kind of thing.
>
> --
> Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
The helper springs are NOT shorter they are smaller in diameter than the
outter ones of 110 and 130 vehicles.
I am sure you already know that rear 110 and 130 coil springs are larger in
diameter than the rear coils on 90, RaRo Classic and Discovery S1 vehicles.
So the helper springs are positioned inside the rear 110/130 coils offering
an increased load capacity at a much lower cost than the helper shock
absorber. But then again the helper shock absorber's main function is to
re-instate the vehicles parallel position relative to the ground's level.
Helper springs will allow more load to be carried but will not level your
vehicle.
Another option is to fit even stronger coils springs and those were
available by Carmichael for their fire tender applications on 110 and 130
vehicles. They were also available for the Range Rover Classic fire tender
applications and the same company has also produced the helper springs used
for the rear suspension of Camel Trophy specifications Discovery vehicles.
Take care
Pantelis
"Ian Rawlings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2006-02-19, Pantelis Giamarellos <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Ian Hi,
> >
> > There is another alternative in the form of adding air suspension bags
> > inside the rear coil springs.
>
> Hmm, sounds interesting but I'd prefer something simpler rather than
> adding airbag, compressors, wiring, pressurised tanks and all the
> piping. Especially considering that I don't expect to really use it
> very often, the idea of shorter springs inside the main ones that
> Richard has mentioned (I think that's what he was saying) sounds more
> like my kind of thing.
>
> --
> Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
I
Ian Rawlings
Guest
On 2006-02-20, Pantelis Giamarellos <[email protected]> wrote:
> Another option is to fit even stronger coils springs and those were
> available by Carmichael for their fire tender applications on 110 and 130
> vehicles. They were also available for the Range Rover Classic fire tender
> applications and the same company has also produced the helper springs used
> for the rear suspension of Camel Trophy specifications Discovery vehicles.
Cheers, what with all the conflicting views on it I think I'll forget
the springs idea for now, I'm not trying to carry more load, but am
trying to soften the suspension for normal day-to-day use while
retaining the ability to carry a heavier load if I need it. Perhaps
the inflatable bags idea would be better, fitted if I ever need them.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
> Another option is to fit even stronger coils springs and those were
> available by Carmichael for their fire tender applications on 110 and 130
> vehicles. They were also available for the Range Rover Classic fire tender
> applications and the same company has also produced the helper springs used
> for the rear suspension of Camel Trophy specifications Discovery vehicles.
Cheers, what with all the conflicting views on it I think I'll forget
the springs idea for now, I'm not trying to carry more load, but am
trying to soften the suspension for normal day-to-day use while
retaining the ability to carry a heavier load if I need it. Perhaps
the inflatable bags idea would be better, fitted if I ever need them.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
