110 gearbox advice req'd

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wireless

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• Aug 10, 2006

• #1

Hi all,

I'm a newbie to LR's and have just purchased a 1988 110 3.5l V8 which needs
a lot of tlc, although it does have a year's MOT.

there's so much to do but I'll start with where I think a major problem may
be.

the gearbox whines in 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th but not 4th.

I'd expect some noise in 1st and possibly 2nd as it's a fair bit of weight
to get moving but in 3rd and 5th worrys me a bit.


tia
Peter

 

J

JD

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• Aug 10, 2006

• #2

wireless wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm a newbie to LR's and have just purchased a 1988 110 3.5l V8 which
> needs a lot of tlc, although it does have a year's MOT.
>
> there's so much to do but I'll start with where I think a major problem
> may be.
>
> the gearbox whines in 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th but not 4th.
>
> I'd expect some noise in 1st and possibly 2nd as it's a fair bit of weight
> to get moving but in 3rd and 5th worrys me a bit.
>
>
> tia
> Peter

Depending on what you are used to it may be normal - but at that age it
could well be general wear on bearings. It does have oil in it I assume?
(you did check?)
JD

 

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Oily

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• Aug 10, 2006

• #3

"wireless" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm a newbie to LR's and have just purchased a 1988 110 3.5l V8 which
needs
> a lot of tlc, although it does have a year's MOT.
>
> there's so much to do but I'll start with where I think a major problem
may
> be.
>
> the gearbox whines in 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th but not 4th.
>
> I'd expect some noise in 1st and possibly 2nd as it's a fair bit of weight
> to get moving but in 3rd and 5th worrys me a bit.
>
>
> tia
> Peter
>
>
4th gear is direct drive through the box and consequently there's no side
thrust loading on the bearings as there is in all the other gears. It will
most likely be the layshaft bearings but could be any in the main box.

Martin.

 

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wireless

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• Aug 10, 2006

• #4

"JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> wireless wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm a newbie to LR's and have just purchased a 1988 110 3.5l V8 which
>> needs a lot of tlc, although it does have a year's MOT.
>>
>> there's so much to do but I'll start with where I think a major problem
>> may be.
>>
>> the gearbox whines in 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th but not 4th.
>>
>> I'd expect some noise in 1st and possibly 2nd as it's a fair bit of
>> weight
>> to get moving but in 3rd and 5th worrys me a bit.
>>
>>
>> tia
>> Peter
>
> Depending on what you are used to it may be normal - but at that age it
> could well be general wear on bearings. It does have oil in it I assume?
> (you did check?)
> JD

yes,
it was low but I topped it up and it's stayed in there.

Peter

 

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wireless

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• Aug 11, 2006

• #5

"Oily" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "wireless" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm a newbie to LR's and have just purchased a 1988 110 3.5l V8 which
> needs
>> a lot of tlc, although it does have a year's MOT.
>>
>> there's so much to do but I'll start with where I think a major problem
> may
>> be.
>>
>> the gearbox whines in 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th but not 4th.
>>
>> I'd expect some noise in 1st and possibly 2nd as it's a fair bit of
>> weight
>> to get moving but in 3rd and 5th worrys me a bit.
>>
>>
>> tia
>> Peter
>>
>>
> 4th gear is direct drive through the box and consequently there's no side
> thrust loading on the bearings as there is in all the other gears. It will
> most likely be the layshaft bearings but could be any in the main box.
>
> Martin.
>
>

sounds like it'd be easier to replace the g/box rather tahn replace it's
parts.

how much is a recon g/box?

I'm prepared to fit it myself so could spend a bit extra on it.

Peter

 

O

Oily

Guest

• Aug 11, 2006

• #6

"wireless" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>
> sounds like it'd be easier to replace the g/box rather tahn replace it's
> parts.
>
> how much is a recon g/box?

Depends where you are, there's a good man for a box near Halifax, I can mail
you his number if you want.

Martin.

>
> I'm prepared to fit it myself so could spend a bit extra on it.
>
> Peter
>
>

 

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wireless

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• Aug 11, 2006

• #7

"Oily" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "wireless" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>>
>> sounds like it'd be easier to replace the g/box rather tahn replace it's
>> parts.
>>
>> how much is a recon g/box?
>
> Depends where you are, there's a good man for a box near Halifax, I can
> mail
> you his number if you want.
>
> Martin.
>
>>
>> I'm prepared to fit it myself so could spend a bit extra on it.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>
>

I'm in Essex although I might pass Halifax on business.

can you send his number to me at rainhamscoutgroupatyahoodotcodotuk

thanks
Peter

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Aug 11, 2006

• #8

On or around Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:59:37 +0100, "wireless"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>"JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> wireless wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm a newbie to LR's and have just purchased a 1988 110 3.5l V8 which
>>> needs a lot of tlc, although it does have a year's MOT.
>>>
>>> there's so much to do but I'll start with where I think a major problem
>>> may be.
>>>
>>> the gearbox whines in 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th but not 4th.
>>>
>>> I'd expect some noise in 1st and possibly 2nd as it's a fair bit of
>>> weight
>>> to get moving but in 3rd and 5th worrys me a bit.
>>>
>>>
>>> tia
>>> Peter
>>
>> Depending on what you are used to it may be normal - but at that age it
>> could well be general wear on bearings. It does have oil in it I assume?
>> (you did check?)
>> JD
>
>yes,
>it was low but I topped it up and it's stayed in there.

unless it's really loud, I wouldn't worry about it. the reason 4th doesn't
whine is because 4th doesn't actually use the gears inside the box, it's a
direct drive straight through. Chances are it's just a lifetime of wear and
tear and possibly low oil and inadequate changes.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"The boys are dreaming wicked or of the bucking ranches of the night and
the jollyrodgered sea." Dylan Thomas (1914 - 1953) Under milk wood

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Aug 11, 2006

• #9

On or around Fri, 11 Aug 2006 00:01:29 +0100, "wireless"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>
>sounds like it'd be easier to replace the g/box rather tahn replace it's
>parts.
>
>how much is a recon g/box?

LT77 I got for the disco a bit back was about 600 notes.

>I'm prepared to fit it myself so could spend a bit extra on it.


what sort of noise, BTW, a whine or a rattle? if it's just a bit of gear
whine, then all the LT77s have a bit of noise, IME, so unless it's loud or
there are other symptoms like iffy gear selection, I'd not be too worried.
If you get rattles, especially in neutral, then you might have iffy
bearings.

as with all noises, you really have to drive it to diagnose it.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"The boys are dreaming wicked or of the bucking ranches of the night and
the jollyrodgered sea." Dylan Thomas (1914 - 1953) Under milk wood

 

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AJH

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• Aug 11, 2006

• #10

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:13:34 +0100, "wireless" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I'm a newbie to LR's and have just purchased a 1988 110 3.5l V8 which needs
>a lot of tlc, although it does have a year's MOT.

Santana box then, renowned for being more noisy than others. I'd be
tempted to make sure it has the correct oil, cue Huw, and see what
develops.

AJH

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Aug 11, 2006

• #11

On or around Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:44:47 +0100, AJH <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:13:34 +0100, "wireless" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>I'm a newbie to LR's and have just purchased a 1988 110 3.5l V8 which needs
>>a lot of tlc, although it does have a year's MOT.
>
>Santana box then, renowned for being more noisy than others. I'd be
>tempted to make sure it has the correct oil, cue Huw, and see what
>develops.

I'd have thought it'd be an LT77, on that vintage.
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AJH

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• Aug 11, 2006

• #12

On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:22:57 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I'd have thought it'd be an LT77, on that vintage.

I think all the post 83 Land Rovers with V8s had the LT85 box because
it is more rugged, albeit more agricultural.

AJH

 

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William Tasso

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• Aug 11, 2006

• #13

On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:31:14 +0100, AJH <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:22:57 +0100, Austin Shackles
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'd have thought it'd be an LT77, on that vintage.
>
> I think all the post 83 Land Rovers with V8s had the LT85 box because
> it is more rugged, albeit more agricultural.

How does one tell? is it stamped on the unit in big 'idiot friendly'
letters?

--
William Tasso

Land Rover - 110 V8
Discovery - V8

 

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AJH

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• Aug 11, 2006

• #14

On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:25:46 +0100, "William Tasso"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>How does one tell? is it stamped on the unit in big 'idiot friendly'
>letters?

I wasn't sure but

http://www.ashcroft-transmissions.co.uk/category_5.html

gives a guide.

Mine's been noisy in the low gears with poor syncro on 2nd since I got
it, 80000km later it is much the same.

AJH

 

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Andrew

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• Aug 11, 2006

• #15

Hi,
I've got a 1986 V8 110 with LT85 santana box, and have exactly the same
as you, quiet in 4th very noisy in all others, so much so I generally
drive around in 4th, never bother changing to 5th.

Mines only done 40k miles, but its terrible on the g-box front.
Transfer box also whines like hell.

I've got a recon box to fit, but got to build a garage first..!

Cheers, Andrew

wireless wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm a newbie to LR's and have just purchased a 1988 110 3.5l V8 which needs
> a lot of tlc, although it does have a year's MOT.
>
> there's so much to do but I'll start with where I think a major problem may
> be.
>
> the gearbox whines in 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th but not 4th.
>
> I'd expect some noise in 1st and possibly 2nd as it's a fair bit of weight
> to get moving but in 3rd and 5th worrys me a bit.
>
>
> tia
> Peter

 

C

ChavScum

Guest

• Aug 12, 2006

• #16

I had a 90 with the same box and had the same noise. I had a recon box
from Ashcrofts fitted which transformed the vehicle (£1000 fitted). I
could hear the engine again (and enjoy the sound) plus I found more
perrformance in the engine - the absence of howl from the gearbox meant
I was changing up a gear higher in the rev range. I also had the
transfer box changed at the same time (£395 and fitted as part of the
above job).

The factory V8 is an LT85 - the Lt77 is painted black, the LT85 is
unpainted alloy.

 

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Huw

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• Aug 17, 2006

• #17

"Andrew" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> I've got a 1986 V8 110 with LT85 santana box, and have exactly the same
> as you, quiet in 4th very noisy in all others, so much so I generally
> drive around in 4th, never bother changing to 5th.
>
> Mines only done 40k miles, but its terrible on the g-box front.
> Transfer box also whines like hell.
>
> I've got a recon box to fit, but got to build a garage first..!
>

It's certainly worth trying an oil change to a MTF type fluid or even to a
UTTO [universal tractor transmission oil] but don't expect wonders. Try it
though. You may be surprised.
As for transfer box whine, then I'm afraid you will have to live with it or
change the box for a post 86 version. They changed the tooth profile in late
86. I know this because I had a RR V8 in 86 which had the hellish noisy
transfer box and changed it for a quieter transfer box fitted to an 88
diesel RR. At that time I took a lot of interest in the technicalities of my
vehicles. Still do for that matter.

Huw

 

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Huw

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• Aug 17, 2006

• #18

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Fri, 11 Aug 2006 00:01:29 +0100, "wireless"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>
>>
>>sounds like it'd be easier to replace the g/box rather tahn replace it's
>>parts.
>>
>>how much is a recon g/box?
>
> LT77 I got for the disco a bit back was about 600 notes.
>
>>I'm prepared to fit it myself so could spend a bit extra on it.
>
>
> what sort of noise, BTW, a whine or a rattle? if it's just a bit of gear
> whine, then all the LT77s have a bit of noise, IME, so unless it's loud or
> there are other symptoms like iffy gear selection, I'd not be too worried.
> If you get rattles, especially in neutral, then you might have iffy
> bearings.
>
> as with all noises, you really have to drive it to diagnose it.

My 110 with LT77 has rattled in neutral for the last 15 years and its still
going as well as ever. It's of no consequence.

Huw