101 Ambulance stolen - Warrington

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Tim Hobbs

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• May 17, 2006

• #21

On Wed, 17 May 2006 15:35:37 +0100, Steve Taylor
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Tim Hobbs wrote:
>
>> Yeah - I was suggested the roof for a trailer tracking device. They
>> generally 'stick on' and have a replaceable / chargeable battery. They
>> also need line of sight to the sky.
>
>Whats the typical cost Tim, I'm very very interested all of a sudden.
>
>Steve


http://www.axscend.com

www.oxloc.co.uk

I'd reckon on paying about £300 for the box, then chucking a few quid
a year on a pay-as-you sim card to keep it running. This is based on
market research we did last summer. a

Typical price point for sat tracking is about £1 per day for 'live
tracking', which you don't need.

Our boffins are building an ARM9-based linux box which will compete in
this arena, but much more programmable. One obvious feature to
program in is a text message / voice call when the vehicle moves
outside programmable parameters - e.g. radio tag not in range (on
drivers key fob, not at normal hours, outside geofence etc.

Tracker is a very very good solution for theft, particularly the
monitored version. However, you can't get the data yourself as it's a
closed system. Your own system on the roof is more flexible, but
probably won't work out any cheaper.

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Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'03 Volvo V70
'06 Nissan Navara aka "The Truck"

 

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Nige

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• May 17, 2006

• #22

"Tim Hobbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 17 May 2006 15:35:37 +0100, Steve Taylor
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Tim Hobbs wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah - I was suggested the roof for a trailer tracking device. They
>>> generally 'stick on' and have a replaceable / chargeable battery. They
>>> also need line of sight to the sky.
>>
>>Whats the typical cost Tim, I'm very very interested all of a sudden.
>>
>>Steve
>
>
> http://www.axscend.com
>
> www.oxloc.co.uk
>
> I'd reckon on paying about £300 for the box, then chucking a few quid
> a year on a pay-as-you sim card to keep it running. This is based on
> market research we did last summer. a
>
> Typical price point for sat tracking is about £1 per day for 'live
> tracking', which you don't need.
>
> Our boffins are building an ARM9-based linux box which will compete in
> this arena, but much more programmable. One obvious feature to
> program in is a text message / voice call when the vehicle moves
> outside programmable parameters - e.g. radio tag not in range (on
> drivers key fob, not at normal hours, outside geofence etc.
>
> Tracker is a very very good solution for theft, particularly the
> monitored version. However, you can't get the data yourself as it's a
> closed system. Your own system on the roof is more flexible, but
> probably won't work out any cheaper.
>
> --
>
> Tim Hobbs

Details Tim matey? Could be very interesting indeed.
>
> '58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
> '03 Volvo V70
> '06 Nissan Navara aka "The Truck"

 

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Tim Hobbs

Guest

• May 17, 2006

• #23

>
>Details Tim matey? Could be very interesting indeed.

Won't be in the market for a few months yet. It works, but it's still
on prototype PCB and lots of cut-and-strap. Looks really good though
- took 5 mins to get bluetooth working on it, zigbee will be just as
difficult.

Actually, there's a thought...

If you can get a cheap PAYG mobile, home-grow some kind of PSU /
switch to power it on every 15 minutes. When it wakes up, it looks
for a Class 1 bluetooth pair to the pc in your house. If it's there,
it switches back off. If it ain't there, it texts you to tell you
it's been nicked and stays switched on. You can then use the cell
info to get the location....

Or something...
--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'03 Volvo V70
'06 Nissan Navara aka "The Truck"

 

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Tom Woods

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• May 17, 2006

• #24

On Wed, 17 May 2006 21:55:07 +0100, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>>
>>Details Tim matey? Could be very interesting indeed.
>
>Won't be in the market for a few months yet. It works, but it's still
>on prototype PCB and lots of cut-and-strap. Looks really good though
>- took 5 mins to get bluetooth working on it, zigbee will be just as
>difficult.
>
>Actually, there's a thought...
>
>If you can get a cheap PAYG mobile, home-grow some kind of PSU /
>switch to power it on every 15 minutes. When it wakes up, it looks
>for a Class 1 bluetooth pair to the pc in your house. If it's there,
>it switches back off. If it ain't there, it texts you to tell you
>it's been nicked and stays switched on. You can then use the cell
>info to get the location....
>
>Or something...

you can get data cards that go in a pc or laptop and use a SIM card
can't you?
I've built a carputer for the 101.

 

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Tim Hobbs

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• May 17, 2006

• #25

On Wed, 17 May 2006 22:10:19 +0100, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 17 May 2006 21:55:07 +0100, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>>Details Tim matey? Could be very interesting indeed.
>>
>>Won't be in the market for a few months yet. It works, but it's still
>>on prototype PCB and lots of cut-and-strap. Looks really good though
>>- took 5 mins to get bluetooth working on it, zigbee will be just as
>>difficult.
>>
>>Actually, there's a thought...
>>
>>If you can get a cheap PAYG mobile, home-grow some kind of PSU /
>>switch to power it on every 15 minutes. When it wakes up, it looks
>>for a Class 1 bluetooth pair to the pc in your house. If it's there,
>>it switches back off. If it ain't there, it texts you to tell you
>>it's been nicked and stays switched on. You can then use the cell
>>info to get the location....
>>
>>Or something...
>
>you can get data cards that go in a pc or laptop and use a SIM card
>can't you?
>I've built a carputer for the 101.

yep (got a blooming office full). Few points to note.

a) they are all crap
b) they cost a fortune to run (mine is unmetered, £75 / month)
c) they are all crap - lock the CPU, don't get signal, drop it when
they've got it etc etc.

--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'03 Volvo V70
'06 Nissan Navara aka "The Truck"

 

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Tom Woods

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• May 17, 2006

• #26

On Wed, 17 May 2006 22:24:41 +0100, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:

>>you can get data cards that go in a pc or laptop and use a SIM card
>>can't you?
>>I've built a carputer for the 101.
>
>yep (got a blooming office full). Few points to note.
>
>a) they are all crap
>b) they cost a fortune to run (mine is unmetered, £75 / month)
>c) they are all crap - lock the CPU, don't get signal, drop it when
>they've got it etc etc.

Is there a utility that will let you send text messages over a phone
connected via a data cable?
Could just trigger it to do so when car is started or moves away from
home.

 

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Tim Hobbs

Guest

• May 17, 2006

• #27

On Wed, 17 May 2006 22:40:04 +0100, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 17 May 2006 22:24:41 +0100, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>you can get data cards that go in a pc or laptop and use a SIM card
>>>can't you?
>>>I've built a carputer for the 101.
>>
>>yep (got a blooming office full). Few points to note.
>>
>>a) they are all crap
>>b) they cost a fortune to run (mine is unmetered, £75 / month)
>>c) they are all crap - lock the CPU, don't get signal, drop it when
>>they've got it etc etc.
>
>Is there a utility that will let you send text messages over a phone
>connected via a data cable?
>Could just trigger it to do so when car is started or moves away from
>home.

Dunno - would be phone specific. Would probably be easier with a
Java-based or Windows Mobile phone. You could probably set something
up that worked when the power came on rather than having to rig up a
serial input. Sod all use if they trailer it away though. Not my
area, but you might be able to read the cell information depending on
your network to get an idea of whether the phone is at home or not.

Anything else requires GPS, which adds cost, serial comms and needs
view of the sky.

--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'03 Volvo V70
'06 Nissan Navara aka "The Truck"

 

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Steve Taylor

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• May 17, 2006

• #28

Tim Hobbs wrote:

> Anything else requires GPS, which adds cost, serial comms and needs
> view of the sky.
>

What kind of precision do these mobile phone tracking systems offer ?

Steve

 

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Paul S. Brown

Guest

• May 17, 2006

• #29

Steve Taylor wrote:

> Tim Hobbs wrote:
>
>> Anything else requires GPS, which adds cost, serial comms and needs
>> view of the sky.
>>
>
> What kind of precision do these mobile phone tracking systems offer ?
>
> Steve

+-50m for CPS Cursor AKA Enhanced Observed Time Differential - this is the
system that's being deployed as "GPS" in all US cellphones at the moment.

For some of the Sooperdedooper alarms with DGPS - accuracy of sub 1m.

P.

 

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Steve

Guest

• May 18, 2006

• #30

Paul S. Brown wrote:
>
> +-50m for CPS Cursor AKA Enhanced Observed Time Differential - this is the
> system that's being deployed as "GPS" in all US cellphones at the moment.
So good enough to act as a tracking signal, without the having clear sky
view ?

A GSM modem takes bugger all juice, and can be left on the network
virtually permanently.

Steve

 

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Dave Liquorice

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• May 18, 2006

• #31

On Thu, 18 May 2006 00:16:17 +0100, Steve wrote:

>> +-50m for CPS Cursor AKA Enhanced Observed Time Differential - this is
>> the system that's being deployed as "GPS" in all US cellphones at the
>> moment.
>
> A GSM modem takes bugger all juice, and can be left on the network
> virtually permanently.

Presumably chatting away over GPRS, so you have a proper data link. With
the linux box "on the roof" you could upload an image or three with burnt
in date/time/location from hidden (USB?) camera(s) to somewhere secure.

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Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

 

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Mother

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• May 18, 2006

• #32

On Wed, 17 May 2006 21:55:07 +0100, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:

>Actually, there's a thought...
>
>If you can get a cheap PAYG mobile, home-grow some kind of PSU /
>switch to power it on every 15 minutes. When it wakes up, it looks
>for a Class 1 bluetooth pair to the pc in your house. If it's there,
>it switches back off. If it ain't there, it texts you to tell you
>it's been nicked and stays switched on. You can then use the cell
>info to get the location....

Course, what you're talking about is a slightly upgraded version of my
old Ericsson SH888 'alarm - build some 5 odd years ago and encased in
resin. Bugger, why did I encase it all in resin...


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005

 

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Mother

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• May 18, 2006

• #33

On Wed, 17 May 2006 22:10:19 +0100, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I've built a carputer for the 101.

http://www.101fc.net/files/vids/digidash-20060225.wmv




--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005

 

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beamendsltd

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• May 18, 2006

• #34

In message <[email protected]>
Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> >
> >Details Tim matey? Could be very interesting indeed.
>
> Won't be in the market for a few months yet. It works, but it's still
> on prototype PCB and lots of cut-and-strap. Looks really good though
> - took 5 mins to get bluetooth working on it, zigbee will be just as
> difficult.
>
> Actually, there's a thought...
>
> If you can get a cheap PAYG mobile, home-grow some kind of PSU /
> switch to power it on every 15 minutes. When it wakes up, it looks
> for a Class 1 bluetooth pair to the pc in your house. If it's there,
> it switches back off. If it ain't there, it texts you to tell you
> it's been nicked and stays switched on. You can then use the cell
> info to get the location....
>
> Or something...

That's an idea - as long as the Bluetooth is rather more
reliable that my Nokia (spit) - I'd be out of bed every 10 mins!

Richard
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Neil Brownlee

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• May 18, 2006

• #35

Tracker ADR is another excellent system.

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Neil

 

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Lee_D

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• May 18, 2006

• #36

Neil Brownlee <[email protected]> uttered summat
worrerz funny about:
> Tracker ADR is another excellent system.

I've got experience at the sharp end of tracker and can say it's the muts
nutts. We've recovered bucket loads of vehicles and plant with it, our force
has alot of the kit installed mind including the Force Chopper which really
comes in to it's own when we start getting a ping. Once vehicle will suffice
though given patients, time and officers with half a clue. We've even had
hit's from vehicles within buildings.


Lee
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Reaching the parts other Landrover restorers can't reach - JLo makes new
home in the USA.
Percy IIa - two Engines to the mile, awaits a new chassis.
Morph - He's "living the dream".

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Austin Shackles

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• May 18, 2006

• #37

On or around Thu, 18 May 2006 12:42:14 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Neil Brownlee <[email protected]> uttered summat
>worrerz funny about:
>> Tracker ADR is another excellent system.
>
>I've got experience at the sharp end of tracker and can say it's the muts
>nutts. We've recovered bucket loads of vehicles and plant with it, our force
>has alot of the kit installed mind including the Force Chopper

you know you're in trouble when the scrotes start trying to nick the
chopper...

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Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"My centre is giving way, my right is in retreat; situation excellent.
I shall attack. - Marshal Foch (1851 - 1929)

 

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Tom Woods

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• May 18, 2006

• #38

On Thu, 18 May 2006 08:49:46 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>On Wed, 17 May 2006 22:10:19 +0100, Tom Woods
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I've built a carputer for the 101.
>
>http://www.101fc.net/files/vids/digidash-20060225.wmv

show off

very nice though!. ive got a lilliput 7" screen for mine but i couldnt
afford a little via 12v board so im using a small pc with an inverter.

I was about to ask why it was running windows till i saw the titling
at the end

so what are you actually using for the 'dash' bits?

 

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Ian Rawlings

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• May 18, 2006

• #39

On 2006-05-18, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> you know you're in trouble when the scrotes start trying to nick the
> chopper...

I think he means the detection kit Austin...

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Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

 

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Tim Hobbs

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• May 18, 2006

• #40

On Thu, 18 May 2006 12:42:14 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Neil Brownlee <[email protected]> uttered summat
>worrerz funny about:
>> Tracker ADR is another excellent system.
>
>I've got experience at the sharp end of tracker and can say it's the muts
>nutts. We've recovered bucket loads of vehicles and plant with it, our force
>has alot of the kit installed mind including the Force Chopper which really
>comes in to it's own when we start getting a ping. Once vehicle will suffice
>though given patients, time and officers with half a clue. We've even had
>hit's from vehicles within buildings.
>
>
>Lee

Lee - anyone at your place know a supplier of calibrated odometers, or
someone who can tell me the accuracy of mine?

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Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'03 Volvo V70
'06 Nissan Navara aka "The Truck"