'03MY L322 Petrol 114k5 miles

myfirstl322 said:

Strut top bearings are atop 1 and 6.test.

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Spoke with mech who said strut bearings were OK. There's very slight movement at the bottom of RH anti-roll bar link but otherwise, now that the control arms are far more rigid with new components, the front end of suspension's fine.

But he did say that there's some movement in the rear sub-frame. It's at a component he's had referred him as the "rose joint". He's not sure what this is nor whether that's the correct name, not ever having done one of those before.
Anyone recognise? It'd need four new sub-frame mounts anyway if the sub-frame's now got movement. Here's page 235 of Rave:


Does anyone know what component this "rose joint" (mech thinks this is probably not the correct term) might be?

RichardSEL said:

Spoke with mech who said strut bearings were OK. There's very slight movement at the bottom of RH anti-roll bar link but otherwise, now that the control arms are far more rigid with new components, the front end of suspension's fine.

But he did say that there's some movement in the rear sub-frame. It's at a component he's had referred him as the "rose joint". He's not sure what this is nor whether that's the correct name, not ever having done one of those before.
Anyone recognise? It'd need four new sub-frame mounts anyway if the sub-frame's now got movement. Here's page 235 of Rave:

Does anyone know what component this "rose joint" (mech thinks this is probably not the correct term) might be?

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There is a rose joint on the XJR rear suspension arms, they are in the freezer ready to be fitted to a spare pair of arms. The nearest I can see is in post #378 part number kyg00043 or lro18345, hope that helps.

They're called rose joints (I believe) because they are a multi piece bush allowing 'beyond the usual' articulation of a suspension arm, , so I'd wager it was any of the bushes that attach at the hub assy (#13 in post 381)

The top and bottom arms do not articulate purely together (because of anti-squat, anti-dive and toe control geometry) thus this type of 'super bush' (oo'er) is needed to cope.

They are the bush where the rear hub attaches the the suspension arms, done quite a few on vauxhall back ends which have a similiar set up.

Thanks to "myfirstL322" and "kds" for their replies.
Does the sub-frame have to come out to change them?
Do you know anyone that'd do mine? Where are you?

tomcat59alan said:

There is a rose joint on the XJR rear suspension arms, they are in the freezer ready to be fitted to a spare pair of arms. The nearest I can see is in post #378 part number kyg00043 or lro18345, hope that helps.

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Thanks for replying! Will eventually have a good car out of all this (he said). Top and bottom front control arms both have been changed with complete arms. That's made this "Rose Joint" issue at the rear give a more pronounced effect of lurch

RichardSEL said:

Thanks for replying! Will eventually have a good car out of all this (he said). Top and bottom front control arms both have been changed with complete arms. That's made this "Rose Joint" issue at the rear give a more pronounced effect of lurch

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At least we have established that you have rose joints,as you can see it's a completely different set up on the Jag,you will get there. The pencil is pointing to the rose joint in the photo.

tomcat59alan said:

At least we have established that you have rose joints,as you can see it's a completely different set up on the Jag,you will get there. The pencil is pointing to the rose joint in the photo.View attachment 193360 View attachment 193360 View attachment 193360

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That's nothing like what I know as a rose joint, it's just a standard compliant bushed joint. There is no compliance in a rose joint.

Datatek said:

That's nothing like what I know as a rose joint, it's just a standard compliant bushed joint. There is no compliance in a rose joint.

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The other two are standard bushes, the other is a rose joint.

tomcat59alan said:

The other two are standard bushes, the other is a rose joint.

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I guess you mean the one with the pencil pointing to it is the "Rose Joint"?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/range-ro...-rose-joint-bush-kit-rhf000260k-/254116306451
Two eBay sellers refer to RHF000260 as the "Rose Joint". With one referring to LR032644 as a "Hub Bush" or "Knuckle". Don't have a parts book here, just Rave ver20

Also, what number in my picture I posted is that complete arm you pictured?
Is it an involved job to change that central "Rose Joint" on that arm? My very helpful roadside only-type mech, although knowledgable, says he can't do it without lift. So in southeast London trying to find someone to take in

Cressida? That Cressida? Yes, that Cressida. You mean you're the Cressida? Yes, the Cressida. And I've got your file. I can refer it to Crown Prosecution Service any time I want. So you're my bitch slave now...

tomcat59alan said:

The other two are standard bushes, the other is a rose joint.

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Looks like a rubber bushed joint to me, there is no rubber in a rose joint, there were 16 of them on my race car so I have a pretty good idea of what a rose joint looks like

Datatek said:

Looks like a rubber bushed joint to me, there is no rubber in a rose joint, there were 16 of them on my race car so I have a pretty good idea of what a rose joint looks like

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It's just a term that is used to signify that this isn't just a standard bush, it can handle rotational and axial articulation, something that would kill a standard metalastic one.

I know what your talking about, real rose joints are all metal and spherical which are used on racing suspension arms etc.

RichardSEL said:

I guess you mean the one with the pencil pointing to it is the "Rose Joint"?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/range-ro...-rose-joint-bush-kit-rhf000260k-/254116306451
Two eBay sellers refer to RHF000260 as the "Rose Joint". With one referring to LR032644 as a "Hub Bush" or "Knuckle". Don't have a parts book here, just Rave ver20

Also, what number in my picture I posted is that complete arm you pictured?
Is it an involved job to change that central "Rose Joint" on that arm? My very helpful roadside only-type mech, although knowledgable, says he can't do it without lift. So in southeast London trying to find someone to take in

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Richard, tomcat's picture is of his Jag wishbone, not an L322 one.

The L322 'rose joints' should be relatively easily changed with the appropriate tools, I think that the air bag would need de-pressuring and also care taken with the height sensor, probably best disconnected on one end and reconnected afterwards.

I'd also use a LR genuine bush, no idea of part numbers other than they are NOT sided, but may differ between top arm and bottom arm.
Basically hub joint upper and hub joint lower, this may explain the two numbers.

Also not sure whether the arms are available complete with ALL it's bushes pre-assembled, wouldn't be cheap though.
@holidaychicken I believe has done his rear bushes although his front garden probably needs a good pruning...!

As to who can do it for you, not a scooby as I'm in Scotland....and I have a hoist.....which is nice, although I haven't had a Toyota Cressida up on it...yet.

myfirstl322 said:

Richard, tomcat's picture is of his Jag wishbone, not an L322 one.

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That accounts for why I'm confused then. Doesn't take much

myfirstl322 said:

The L322 'rose joints' should be relatively easily changed with the appropriate tools, I think that the air bag would need de-pressuring and also care taken with the height sensor, probably best disconnected on one end and reconnected afterwards.
I'd also use a LR genuine bush, no idea of part numbers other than they are NOT sided, but may differ between top arm and bottom arm.
Basically hub joint upper and hub joint lower, this may explain the two numbers.

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Good stuff. Thought initally that they were the actual one in each corner of the sub-frame until referred back to the rear hubs' ones. Non-OEM they're £20.35 for each pair of RHF000260 and LR032644 ex N4S in Barking. Waiting on their price for the new bolts, captive nuts, and lock washers.

myfirstl322 said:

As to who can do it for you, not a scooby as I'm in Scotland....and I have a hoist.....which is nice.

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Yes, very useful especially for disposing of election canvassers (run... ) Just had a quote back from an indie in Greys £700 - £800 +VAT for the labour (£72 / hour) Sounds a bit high to me but who else down here would even take the job on?

RichardSEL said:

Just had a quote back from an indie in Greys £700 - £800 +VAT for the labour (£72 / hour) Sounds a bit high to me but who else down here would even take the job on?

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Crazy price, I'd have thought around 3 hours per side max!

Oh and don't forget to take into account a proper 4 wheel alignment afterwards.

Another thing worth checking...not sure what LR call it but it may be toe arm or tie rod.....

Spoke with another workshop in Chertsey who knew exactly what I'm on about. Which is strange coz I don't
Like you insisted on using only OEM bushes, but better quoted me 2½ hours-ish per side.

RichardSEL said:

Spoke with another workshop in Chertsey who knew exactly what I'm on about. Which is strange coz I don't
Like you insisted on using only OEM bushes, but better quoted me 2½ hours-ish per side.

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That's good, have you booked it in?

myfirstl322 said:

That's good, have you booked it in?

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Think I will as it'd need hoist for that sort of job. Have just heard it's £180 to transport Might just trundle around to Chertsey and pray the lurch (mech didn't get one driving back from MOT tester) doesn't throw me into a barrier

RichardSEL said:

Think I will as it'd need hoist for that sort of job. Have just heard it's £180 to transport Might just trundle around to Chertsey and pray the lurch (mech didn't get one driving back from MOT tester) doesn't throw me into a barrier

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How far to travel?