P38A French CT re-test failed!

[RangeRoller dt]

Look at the rave link above ^^^

Sorry yes handbook
I meant this

 

[tomcat59alan]

I would translate all the relevant information into French and make sure the c#n't reads it.

 

[wammers]

Only thing I can think of is act of aggressive brake application whilst testing is causing a glitch on the brake switch. Switch has two contacts one is made and the other one broken. As the pedal is pressed they change sense, as the pedal is pressed the stop lamp switch is made and the cruise control switch broken. It is not unknown for the ABS lamp to come on whilst braking after a MOT test. Sometimes it settles down and sometimes needs resetting. Maybe this is what he is seeing and failing the car for.

 

[Stanleysteamer]

Here is a list of what can cause a failure. for the Controle Technique. http://www.fiches-auto.fr/articles-...75-voyants-qui-menent-a-une-contre-visite.php
The tester has to tell you exactly what he sees indicates the fail. (on the form prolly)
If he doesn't understand 4x4s you may need to take the vehicle to a specialist who does 4x4s on a regular basis. Armed with the pass you can go back to the original dick and ask him why he failed you.
("France" is very general as a place you hail from.)
I am in the Tarn and have a very good LR specialist not far from me who could advise if necessary.
You could try contacting him anyway as he may just be able to talk you through it. He is Dutch so speaks both English and French.
His name is Rob.
http://www.auto-essentiel.com/home/1

This article
http://www.matthieu-lesage-avocat.f...technique-la-responsabilite-du-centre-26.html
although it refers more specifically to the case where a person buys a car with a dodgy Controle Technique, the same things apply to any test centre that carries out the test badly.
Not only can it be fined but it can also lose it's licence.
"Si le contenu du contrôle technique effectué ne satisfait pas aux règles fixées ou si le centre de contrôle ne tire pas les conclusions qui s’imposent, celui-ci peut se voir infliger une amende de quatrième classe, d’un montant maximal de 750 €. Plus grave, si un manquement aux règles de contrôle fixées par l’administration est contesté, le contrôleur peut voir son agrément suspendu ou retiré par le préfet." so if there seriously is nothing wrong with your vehicle I would be demanding that they prove the vehicle is a fail and threatening them with exactly this.
Best of luck.
There is nothing more off fu cking than French officialdom at its worst!

 

[Shippers]

There is nothing more off fu cking than French officialdom at its worst!

Oh yes there is fuc king Portugese...lol...

 

[tomcat59alan]

Oh yes there is fuc king Portugese...lol...

And Spanish.

 

[Stanleysteamer]

And Spanish.

...and Italian, and Greek, they all employ too many fu ckers to do fu ck all except push paper in the name of their govts for a few years then retire on a pension.
Which is why their populations want them to carry on with it! They all want these sorts of jobs for their kids! At one time this sort of bureaucracy was questioned by the French.
For about 5 minutes.
Then all went back to normal!
Fu ckers!

 

[nigelbb]

I'm late to the party but I have re-registered my 2001 Vogue in France so had to get a CT. Just before I left the UK I got a
an MOT done. I think that the MOT is more rigorous & comprehensive than a CT but it passed with advisories on an oil leak & oddly enough tappet noise.

It failed the CT first time on alignment of headlamp beams even though I had put beam benders on. I carefully realigned the headlamps & ignored the documentation concerning placement of the beam benders & put them where they actually worked. Next visit it passed the CT with an advisory regarding an oil leak. The tester was impressed when I pointed out that next day was the car's birthday as it was twenty years since the date it was first registered in the UK.

I hadn't realised that there might be an issue with 4WD ABS & TC but evidently the CT test centre that I found was happy with it. The guy who tested my car was very jovial & there is another tester there who by her accent comes from Bolton. I only used this CT centre because it was the one that had the easiest appointment when I looked to book a test online. The CT test is every two years although I will take it in for an MOT on its anniversary when I am visiting the UK as it's good to have a third party take a look at the car especially underneath as I don't have access to a lift.

 

[Datatek]

I'm late to the party but I have re-registered my 2001 Vogue in France so had to get a CT. Just before I left the UK I got a
an MOT done. I think that the MOT is more rigorous & comprehensive than a CT but it passed with advisories on an oil leak & oddly enough tappet noise.

It failed the CT first time on alignment of headlamp beams even though I had put beam benders on. I carefully realigned the headlamps & ignored the documentation concerning placement of the beam benders & put them where they actually worked. Next visit it passed the CT with an advisory regarding an oil leak. The tester was impressed when I pointed out that next day was the car's birthday as it was twenty years since the date it was first registered in the UK.

I hadn't realised that there might be an issue with 4WD ABS & TC but evidently the CT test centre that I found was happy with it. The guy who tested my car was very jovial & there is another tester there who by her accent comes from Bolton. I only used this CT centre because it was the one that had the easiest appointment when I looked to book a test online. The CT test is every two years although I will take it in for an MOT on its anniversary when I am visiting the UK as it's good to have a third party take a look at the car especially underneath as I don't have access to a lift.

They should have failed the car as beam benders are not allowed if the car is registered here.
Make sure they use rollers under the axle not being tested or damage may be done to the transmission.

 

[nigelbb]

They should have failed the car as beam benders are not allowed if the car is registered here.
Make sure they use rollers under the axle not being tested or damage may be done to the transmission.

Beam benders are allowed & have been perfectly legal for a CT for several years.

 

[Datatek]

Beam benders are allowed & have been perfectly legal for a CT for several years.

Not according to my information, they are legal for visitors but not for French registered RHD cars, certainly I was refused a CT on my P38.

 

[nigelbb]

Not according to my information, they are legal for visitors but not for French registered RHD cars, certainly I was refused a CT on my P38.

That used to be the case but they changed the rules a few years ago. There is a document you can give the tester if they are unaware of the change. Some testers just seem bloody minded & will fail with beam benders whatever the rules. The answer is to go to a friendly CT station who are aware of the up today rules. You just need to prevent the passenger side kick up from the headlamp so you have flat beams. There is no need to have LHD headlamps with kerbside kick up.

 

[Datatek]

That used to be the case but they changed the rules a few years ago. There is a document you can give the tester if they are unaware of the change. Some testers just seem bloody minded & will fail with beam benders whatever the rules. The answer is to go to a friendly CT station who are aware of the up today rules. You just need to prevent the passenger side kick up from the headlamp so you have flat beams. There is no need to have LHD headlamps with kerbside kick up.

Do you have any link to the document you mention or to the rule change?

 

[Ian M in France]

If the MOT is under 6 months old you used to be able to use that when registering a car, not sure if it is the same after brexit, I know of lots of RHD cars that have passed with beam deflectors, I think the rules changed some years ago as it used to be the case you had to change the lights,
as to the ABS I would think rolling 2 wheels and having the other 2 stopped will make the ABS think 2 wheels have locked under braking this may show up a fault that you would not see under normal driving.
I think like the MOT it is a case of finding a test centre that is more lenient on older cars

 

[nigelbb]

Do you have any link to the document you mention or to the rule change?

Below is an extract from the CT testers manual that says RHD headlamps are a failure except those equipped with a device making the beam flat (e.g. masking adhesive or specific lamp device).

 

[Mark Piercy]

Unfortunately they do pass them, registered or not. They shouldn't really as they are a temporary measure.
The vehicle should be fitted with lights that suit the environment they are in. After making the CT rules harder they backtracked on making a vehicle have the correct lights.......

 

[Datatek]

If the MOT is under 6 months old you used to be able to use that when registering a car, not sure if it is the same after brexit, I know of lots of RHD cars that have passed with beam deflectors, I think the rules changed some years ago as it used to be the case you had to change the lights,
as to the ABS I would think rolling 2 wheels and having the other 2 stopped will make the ABS think 2 wheels have locked under braking this may show up a fault that you would not see under normal driving.
I think like the MOT it is a case of finding a test centre that is more lenient on older cars

On the P38, not having rollers under the axle not being tested will destroy the VCU at the very least.
Again the info I have has always stated that a French CT, a Quittance Fiscal, a purchase receipt and a certificate of conformity are needed to register a car in France. the certificate of conformity is not required on some newer cars as the info is in the French system.

 

[Datatek]

With the P38, it's easy to mod the UK headlights to move the spike of light from the left to the right, then with minor adjustments they pass.

 

[Ian M in France]

On the P38, not having rollers under the axle not being tested will destroy the VCU at the very least.
Again the info I have has always stated that a French CT, a Quittance Fiscal, a purchase receipt and a certificate of conformity are needed to register a car in France. the certificate of conformity is not required on some newer cars as the info is in the French system.

when I bought my work van about 4 to 5 years ago you could and I did use a UK mot instead of CT test as it had been done less than six months, I think it was a move to except paper work from other EU countries, not sure if they would except it now after brexit, I am working for a German at the moment who is going through the process at the moment I will ask him what he uses,

 

[Ian M in France]

On the P38, not having rollers under the axle not being tested will destroy the VCU at the very least.
Again the info I have has always stated that a French CT, a Quittance Fiscal, a purchase receipt and a certificate of conformity are needed to register a car in France. the certificate of conformity is not required on some newer cars as the info is in the French system.

Do you think it would be the same for a Freelander and the VCU ?