Other Found my dream Vogue, just require a little urgent advice

[Monoloco]

I have found a 2008 Landrover Range Rover Vogue that has done 133,000 miles, which I realise is a little high, but so be it. Priced at around £8,000.

During the last 6 months it has had a lot of preventative work on it.

I have a warranty from the garage covering anything not serviceable lasting for 3 years.

Everything else on it, aesthetically, is fantastic.

Drove it away and a warning light came on. Took it back, they replaced the fuel pump. Warning light still on. Went to a garage and it needs a new left side turbo costing £1800, which the dealership are willing to pay. The garage then informs me that if the left side is being replaced, the right hand side one also should be replaced due to strain that will be put on it etc etc. Seems to make sense.

As the profit margin is so low on it, the dealership aren’t willing to pay for the whole thing.

So my options are:

a. Hand it back and get my money back.

b. Put around £1000 towards the overall cost of £3000 to replace both turbos.

c. Put the money towards another car with them.

The issue is, I really love driving it. I’ll be doing around 6000 miles per year as I don’t commute in it.

Doing the research on it, just short of £8000 seemed to be around £2-4000 below market value for the car.

My question is, would I be a complete idiot to pay the additional £1000 to get the two new turbos, along with the fuel pump already replaced? As I’m new to the Landrover world, I don’t want to get my fingers burned by buying what is effectively a money pit on wheels.


Many thanks in advance for any advice gratefully received.


M

 

[tarphenry]

you are in fact,getting a new turbo fitted for £1000 pounds.

 

[biketeacherdave]

Walk away if your unsure or get both done while the body is off at least you wont have to worry about turbo problems in the future.
One of my students has a rr in at his dealership its booked at 40k but there selling it at 23k because some ones clocked it. Buyer beware if the dealership wont pay up give it back they wont be able to sell it on..... 3 options for you to consider

 

[holidaychicken]

Does the body need to come off of the vogue ?
My main concern would be making sure the reason the turbo failed had been checked as I’m sure I read of somebody having new turbos and them failing again immediately that the garage then refused to cover which was down to oil feed.
Does your 3 year warranty cover the second turbo if it fails ?

My friend fell in love with a vogue that had many faults and a 3 month warranty that was worthless, we are gradually getting it repaired at his expense ...

 

[freelance]

When or if, has the transmission been changed? if it hasn’t, take it back

 

[gold rover]

I'd say a warranty is a warranty and if the work is covered, then the work should be done. Their profit margin is not your concern. They chose the price to sell it at.
That said , you now own a 10yr old RR, it's value will only go down, expense of repair will not go down at the same speed. These are not cheap vehs to maintain, they are not even reasonable cost vehs to maintain. In the main, even with the help of this forum and others like it, full fat Range Rovers are a money pit. You may enjoy driving it and even fall a little in love with it, but do not for a second think it will ever pay you back what you invest in it.
This is one of the reasons for my initial comment. Make them honour their warranty. Phone Citizens Advice and write down everything they tell you, go back to the dealer and get it fixed. Save your money for the jobs to come, when the warranty runs out or not covered by the warranty.
If you decide to hand it back, why on earth would you buy another car from them? They're not honouring their deal , why would you deal with them again? If the RR seems like she may be more expensive/complicated/trouble than you realised, buy something else from a company who stands by their deal.
Good luck, whichever path you choose.

 

[Monoloco]

Hello all,

Many thanks for your replies so far. In answer to the questions:

Tarphenry - you are in fact,getting a new turbo fitted for £1000 pounds.
I am getting the issue sorted for the £1000 .The dealership told me that as it was the left turbo that needs replacing, at a cost of £1800 which they were/ are picking up, the garage advised them that the right turbo also needed replacing. Now. I'm not sure if I'm being an idiot or the way it was put across was wrong. Left and Right Turbo? Initially I was told it was the 'actuators in the left hand turbo'. Now it appears to be the whole turbo, meaning that two have to be replaced, left and right. But in answer to your question, it would be £1000 for it to be sorted.

Biketeacherdave/ holidatchicken - the body does need to come off and that is the majority of the labour cost I gather. Post the 30 day consumer protection cover I have, the warranty will cover anything that goes wrong with the LR. I did post various scenarios i.e. If I'm driving along and the gear box falls out - covered. I did ask when the issue first arose if, had it not been for the 30 day consumer thing under law, would it have been covered and was told it would have been.

freelance - I can't see anything in the paperwork to say that the transmission has been changed. Are they an issue? Also, that would be covered under the warranty I believe as 'anything not covered by a service' is covered by the warranty.


I realise that owning one of these is more expensive than other options and I'm willing to accept that. Obviously my concern is that I pay the £1000 for the, apparently two, new turbo(s) and then I end up with what's effectively a washing machine with wheels! The £1000 is a sting, but the car was below market price from the research I did.

 

[Monoloco]

Apologies, just saw the last reply as I posted.
Any future work will be covered by the warranty. As I'm within the 30 days of purchase, under the Consumer Protection Act, they have to fix any issues that were there pre-purchase as these are not covered in the warranty. And you're right, the profit margin is not my concern.
I understand the price will go down, as it does on all vehicles and I accept that. The expense of repair won't, hence my taking out the warranty. I realise that I won't get back what has been paid into it. The warranty is for three years and I don't intend to keep this one for more than 2/ 2.5 years as I can then sell it on with the warranty transferred.

I will call the Citizens Advice and confirm the details of the warranty, thank you for that advice.

I guess my main ask is: with new turbo(s), fuel pump, preventative work in the last 6 months and a three year warranty, 9 years old, 133,000 miles and generally immaculate, is it a car worth paying shy of £9,000 for?

 

[Wazzajnr]

I thought the l322 was a monocoque so how can it be body off?

 

[Saint.V8]

I thought the l322 was a monocoque so how can it be body off?

It is a monocoque with front and rear subframes....to get to the turbos you have to drop the front subframe complete wit hall the running gear etc....I thought is was a D4 and Sport thing, I didn't realise you had to drop the subframe/body off for the full fat TDV8....

 

[gold rover]

If I have taken the info given by the guys who know , @Saint.V8 , @holidaychicken , @Bemble , in correctly, the gearbox in the TDV8 is not anywhere near as worrisome as the TD6. There is lots of info on it , if you just have a search around the forum.
The 2-2.5yrs did make me smile. I bought the Golden Girl 7.5 yrs ago, intending to keep no longer than my usual 3yrs max. Around £14k and 7.5 yrs along the line, I still love her and have no impending intentions to part with her. The only veh I kept longer than this one was my 7 series Volvo. Which, oddly enough, was also gold, but I digress.
As for is she worth it? Only you can answer that................... after a darn good read of these forums , making yourself familiar with the marque and it's foibles

 

[DanClarke]

And I thought the P38's were trouble in metal clothing. ;-)

 

[gold rover]

And I thought the P38's were trouble in metal clothing. ;-)

In comparison to the L322 they seem like benign, if slightly eccentric, older relatives. Whereas the L322 is the troubled teen, constantly in trouble but so charismatic, and with lots of potential, that you keep forgiving them. Maybe ,one day, we will find the L405 is the 'terrible twos' of the pack

 

[myfirstl322]

One train (Monoloco)..

Do NOT give them a penny more than the original asking price, they need to repair what they must have known about prior to releasing it, they just hoped you were a mug.

Whilst I personally have no experience of buying retail I can assure you they would be fixing the whole damn lot with no option to cop out with a buy back/reimbursement.

Hold your ground, have all the relevant legal backup committed to memory and play hard ball

It is not for you to wonder why it is below book, they are trying to mug you, post sale.

Don't forget, the second turbo will be a doddle for them to fit with the subframe already lowered!!!!!!

 

[potus]

Sounds like a money pit to me, albeit one which is very nice to drive.

 

[DanClarke]

No, no, they genuinely believed it was kosher...... honest!
They are as distressed as the OP.
They sold it in "good-faith" guv'nor.
You know what's wrong wiv it don'cha?
Eees' bin driving it. It aint for driving. Its for washing and polishing and lookin' at all the pretty lights inside.

But seriously.... Local trading standards need a nudge (add to the "hits" for this dealer possibly) and stand your ground. If it is "Not fit for purpose" and had major flaws (such as these) within the first few days then ask for a full refund and go find a better one.

 

[myfirstl322]

No more than any other of it's ilk,

OP, Tempting as it may be to pay more for a false sense of security, they are probably just going to throw a couple of cheapo turbo cartridges into the thing and reuse the existing oil supply and drain pipes, you may be back to square one if this is not questioned.

Ask them WHAT they are going to fit to YOUR car!!!!!

 

[Ratae]

You can no longer contact & get Trading Standards involved directly. You have to go via Citizens Advice.
"If you need advice or wish to report problems with goods or services, bought from a trader based in the UK, the appropriate advice agency is the Citizens Advice Consumer Service which can be contacted on 03454 04 05 06"
https://www.tradingstandards.uk/consumers/support-advice

 

[gold rover]

You can no longer contact & get Trading Standards involved directly. You have to go via Citizens Advice.
"If you need advice or wish to report problems with goods or services, bought from a trader based in the UK, the appropriate advice agency is the Citizens Advice Consumer Service which can be contacted on 03454 04 05 06"
https://www.tradingstandards.uk/consumers/support-advice

I think she might have already sussed that.
Personally, I'd be taking it back on Monday and getting my money back on not fit for purpose. It might be an inconvenience but shouldn't take more than a month to find another,good, one.
In the meantime @Monoloco , take that £1k , buy a runaround, use it until you find another RR , or whatever you decide. When you find replacement , sell runaround. It's cheaper and handier than taxis , and you are not off the road whilst looking.

 

[holidaychicken]

Without reading everything , I would say they were fully aware of the faults, reeled you in with the low asking price and are now trying to see you off for an extra £1000 to pay for two turbos or are getting the warranty company to pay for it while getting an extra grand off you. That’s if they are going to fit two brand new turbos and not just clean the ones on it if they are the variable nozzle / vane type. The warning light I am guessing is engine management light due to under or overbosst condition which could just be actuators sticking if it’s a VVT. If I was very cynical they could clean the turbos and then get paid by you and the warranty company for replacing them...