Anyone help with this towing question

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suew

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I have already suggested that its probably the tow bar height. But I wondered if any of you had any other suggestions. This is the post




I tow with my other half's Discovery van. He's a Land Rover nut who does a lot of off-roading so it's got all terrain tyres and a winch on the front. (I wonder if these might be relevant?)

When I tow my Ifor Williams 510 with it, normally with two big horses on it (about 1300 -1400kgs in total) if I go downhill, even a very slight slope at more than 50mph it starts to snake. I don't drive fast on the motorway and only go at 55mph to keep up with lorries to avoid them overtaking me as I think this keeps the traffic flowing better.

It's not snaking massively (It always stays within the lane I'm in) and I've always recovered it fairly quickly but it's very disconcerting and I'm beginning to lose faith with it. I've towed for many years without trouble and I'm always careful with tyre pressures on the trailer and the car (My other half is a traffic cop so is very hot on these things!) I've towed this trailer with other cars and other trailers with this car, but it seems to be a combination of this car and trailer that's causing the snaking. We've had the Discovery a year but I've not done much towing as my horse was on box rest for 6 months of the last year.

My OH is adamant there is nothing wrong with either his beloved Land Rover or the trailer and I'm being paranoid, but if I am, so is my passenger - we both know that it's happening!

I wonder if the big tyres, and the weight of the winch on the front is causing the back end and therefore the tow bar to be higher than it should be - lifting the front of the trailer too high and putting too much weight on the back axel of the trailer? It looks fairly level but it's all I can think of? The towbar is on its lowest setting, but it does seem higher than the one on my friend's disco.

Also after towing for about 45 minutes the ACE light comes on on the dashboard. It's been checked and the garage (landrover specialists) can't even find a reading on the computer to indicate the light's come on, let alone a fault. It always goes off if I turn off the engine and start again and then I have another 45minutes before it comes on.

I would normally ask my OH about these things as he's very knowledgeable being a traffic cop and land rover nut, but he's so dismissive when I try to tell him there's a problem and I'm sure there's something wrong. He's never with me when I have the horses on the trailer as he's allergic to them so he only has what I tell him to go on. I'm not a nervous driver and he knows that, but I'm getting nervous about towing on motorways now. Have you got any ideas what the problem could be?

I have wondered if it is just the weight of the horses but even with 1400kgs on a 1ton trailer, it should be well within the capabilities of the Discovery? I'm happy to drive more slowly if that's the answer (I now go down to 40 and 3rd gear at the top of a hill to avoid picking up speed, but I know this isn't really safe for a motorway!) and I don't want to ignore a serious problem if there is one. I appreciate it's difficult without seeing it but if you have any ideas about what I should be looking for, that would be a big help.

 
Well the tyres may make a difference depending what sort they are.
Has it been lifted as this could cause an issue if the ball hasnt been lowered.

You could also be looking at worn bushes or worn shocks.

Get your other half to drive it when loaded so he knows what is going on he dosnt have to get that close to the horses.
 
How a trailer is loaded is very important, your trailer should be loaded with a nose weight of about 5-7% of the total trailer weight. Too much or too little weight on the hitch can cause snaking. Another thing to check is the brakes on the trailer. It only takes a very small left/right imbalance to make the outfit very unstable when slowing down or going downhill.
 
why is she carrying 1.4tonnes on a 1tonne trailer???

I read it as horses weigh 1.4, trailer weighs 1 .. I'd guess (hope!) that the towing weight for the trailer would be about 2.5+ tonne ... ;)
 
Came off one of my horse forums.

I have already suggested that its probably the tow bar height. But I wondered if any of you had any other suggestions.

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I'd agree with this.

I'd also suggest it's not the tyres, as such, but maybe tyre pressures. My Disco is very susceptible to tyre pressure changes when towing. I now tow the caravan with higher than usual pressures, 36 front 40 rear and it's made a huge difference. My normal road/greenlaning pressures are 28/30 ish all round.

Another suggestion would be to check the noseweight on the trailer. Discos are very good in this respect, unless it's a very low weight! Our car only takes up to 50kgs, the Disco double that, and the Disco prefers the weight towards the top end ...
 
why is she carrying 1.4tonnes on a 1tonne trailer???


i thought that too... that prob the reason lol

if he has mud terrains on the disco they will prob cause it to snake a bit. i wouldnt have thought having the winch etc on the front would be a problem as with the weight from the loaded horse box and the weight on the front it would sorta counter act each other.......
 
Wot is the tow ball heigbt on flat ground? Wot does the rigged trailer look like, nose high/low?
 
How a trailer is loaded is very important, your trailer should be loaded with a nose weight of about 5-7% of the total trailer weight. Too much or too little weight on the hitch can cause snaking. Another thing to check is the brakes on the trailer. It only takes a very small left/right imbalance to make the outfit very unstable when slowing down or going downhill.

Wot is the tow ball heigbt on flat ground? Wot does the rigged trailer look like, nose high/low?

These 2 are the closest to the answer
Trailer needs to be horizontally level, if front of trailer is higher than the back, it puts more weight on the back axle causeing weight to lift the rear of towing vehicle, causing it to lose traction ie tail wag, fish tail. To correct need a drop hitch on the tow vehicle so the whole things is on a level plane
 
These 2 are the closest to the answer
Trailer needs to be horizontally level, if front of trailer is higher than the back, it puts more weight on the back axle causeing weight to lift the rear of towing vehicle, causing it to lose traction ie tail wag, fish tail. To correct need a drop hitch on the tow vehicle so the whole things is on a level plane
is that attached to the towing motor, cos what you've written dont make sense!
if its not attached then yes it would lift the arse end of the tow vehicle, but you've written it as tho the ball height is too high.
in which case there'd be more weight on the arse en of the tow vehicle, 'specially if the leading trailer wheels are off the deck!
 
is that attached to the towing motor, cos what you've written dont make sense!
if its not attached then yes it would lift the arse end of the tow vehicle, but you've written it as tho the ball height is too high.
in which case there'd be more weight on the arse en of the tow vehicle, 'specially if the leading trailer wheels are off the deck!

Disco and horse trailer............ Disco hitch/ball sits higher than horse trailer being level........ hooking trailer to disc the tongue needs to be raised to hook together, After connection is made trailer is now front high, add 2 horses and the back of trailer is now heavy on the backend causing (through the leveler principle ) the front of trailer becomes lighter attempting to raise the backend of disco.
 
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Disco and horse trailer............ Disco hitch/ball sits higher than horse trailer being level........ hooking trailer to disc the tongue needs to be raised to hook together, After connection is made trailer is now front high, add 2 horses and the back of trailer is now heavy on the backend causing (through the leveler principle ) the front of trailer becomes lighter attempting to raise the backend of disco.
it would do that what ever the level of the trailer was sitting at.
moving the fulcrum rearward will increase the load at the drawbar, thats what your saying by lifting the front up and removing weight from the leading wheels.
 
Have passed all this on thanks

One other factor if the trailer is high at the front. Horses are not a static load. Put the trailer uphill and the horses might be inclined to "sit" on the rear bar pushing the weight of the trailer further backwards and lifting the front even more.
 
Have passed all this on thanks

One other factor if the trailer is high at the front. Horses are not a static load. Put the trailer uphill and the horses might be inclined to "sit" on the rear bar pushing the weight of the trailer further backwards and lifting the front even more.

Correct dear:D:D:D:D Glad you got it. Just make trailer level and you are good to go. If you have front Tack room that helps also.
 
it would do that what ever the level of the trailer was sitting at.
moving the fulcrum rearward will increase the load at the drawbar, thats what your saying by lifting the front up and removing weight from the leading wheels.

Have you ever hauled live stock ?????????????? either in a tandem live stock trailer or a articulated lorry and trailer????????????? and have had several thousand miles experience
 
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