For the Volvo aficionado's....:))

Roughly 1/9/04 18:03, Chris Phillipo's monkeys randomly typed:
formance (Honda) and it sounds like his was way more Jeep than Honda.
>>
>> I dunno, I get over 20 mpg with a Jeep full time 4x4. Better than
>> the sports car can do. No problem with tire wear, at 67K only
>> on the second set of tires, swapped mainly to convert to Michelin.
>
> A CRV can do much better than that mileage wise but of course with it's
> lose traction first, engage the rear wheels later system, it can't make
> it on to a trail, much less over one.

It can't do over 20 mpg if I am on the other end of a chain tied
to its rear bumper... >

Personally would prefer a 300hp/500ft-lb diesel...

Roughly 1/9/04 18:04, Douglas A. Shrader's monkeys randomly typed:

> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in message
> news:NXILb.9459$sv6.27405@attbi_s52...
>> Roughly 1/9/04 16:41, Douglas A. Shrader's monkeys randomly typed:
>>
>> > Well, as I said if it was supposed to act as a differential mine did
> not,
>> > and engaging and disengaging the quadratrac never seemed to make any
>> > difference in how it drove or handled. That was 20 years ago, if I had
> one
>> > today I might figure out how it worked.
>>
>> ? How did you engage and disengage the QuadraTrac?
>
> There was a vacuum switch inside the glove box, and a light in the dash when
> it was engaged.

Also known as locking the front to the rear is what that
switch did.
>
>> The full time 4wd only had 4Hi and 4Lo modes...just like the
>> current versions.
>
> And that is all mine had.
>
> The only thing you could do was to engage
>> the vacuum operated locker on the QuadraTrac, which was for
>> slippery conditions only. Called Emergency Drive.
>>
>> If you had a 4Hi and 2Hi mode, it wasn't full time 4wd.
>>
>
>
> I did not, as I have stated. No insulkt intended but you really are not
> reading my posts very thoroughly. You seem to be skimming through them
> looking for something to nit-pic about, and missing quite a bit that would
> clear a few things up for you.
>

That vacuum switch was what
locked the transfer case as has been posted at least 4 times
by that explicit name already. You may want to check your
own reading patterns before you start criticizing
anyone else's. Say, look back up there a coupla paragraphs
where the vacuum locker was noted...

Awww poor wittle Douglas A. Shrader got his knickers in a twist:

>
> You have outlived your welcome Lon,

This is a public forum. If you handle being corrected by killfiling
be my guest.

> Don't go away mad, but this discussion is over.

I ain't going anywhere... but you are welcome to feel free to do so
yourself if that is how you handle being corrected on matters of
fact.

"L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in message
news:xIJLb.9795$5V2.16152@attbi_s53...
> Awww poor wittle Douglas A. Shrader got his knickers in a twist:
>
> >
> > You have outlived your welcome Lon,
>
> This is a public forum. If you handle being corrected by killfiling
> be my guest.

Never said I was killfiling you, only that further discussion on this
subject is pointless.

>
> > Don't go away mad, but this discussion is over.
>
> I ain't going anywhere... but you are welcome to feel free to do so
> yourself if that is how you handle being corrected on matters of
> fact.


Since I have admitted several times, before you even made your first post,
that I was wrong I don't see where you get this from unless, as I said, you
are not reading my posts and are instead trying to stir up trouble here.
You are in error with your accusations and won't admit that, so why should I
prolong the discussion? Now please, as I said before don't go away mad but I
am saying goodbye.

>

"Chris Phillipo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> > > To be fair, the only two names I can recall from this group are Roger
> > > Brown and Jerry something or other...and I've brought stuff from Roger
> > >
>
> That should read "bought" stuff, makes a little more sense.
>
> Snow storms make for Friday nights like this.

I knew what you meant, got enough on my mind for three people myself, so
good luck with your snow, and have fun with it tomorrow.

L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
> Roughly 1/9/04 17:03, Douglas A. Shrader's monkeys randomly typed:
>
>>
>> No, I'm not. I have a 1980 Jeep CJ-7 with part time 4WD, it has 4
>> high, 4 low, and 2 high, and warn lockout hubs.
>
> That is a part time 4wd that agrees with the definition Jeep
> themselves uses.
>
>
>> The confusion here was between the old style fulltime 4x4's like the
>> 78 Jeep J-10 with Quadratrac that drove horribly, like a part time
>> 4x4 locked in 4WD mode on drive pavement, .and the Modern 4x4's with
>> a third differential that eliminates the biding the old stule system
>> suffered from. Call me old but when someone says fulltime the old
>> style is what I think of.
>
> Bummer, but there is a difference between a crappy implementation
> and the concept. Much earlier than 1978, the Jensen Interceptor
> had full time 4wd by Ferguson... and could take the torque of a
> 440 wedge or 426 hemi. Plus the Audi Quattro.
>
The viscous diff was also used on Range Rovers and Ford Sierra 4x4 cars
around the late 80's/early 90's. They have a tendancy to seize in older RR's
giving the tyre wear and fuel consumption problems you described.

> Most jeeps still had part time 4wd...
>>>
>>>> The 1978 Jeep J-20 pickup with quadratrac was full time four wheel
>>>> drive with only two Differentials, and as I stated you could
>>>> barely make a
>> turn
>>>> with it, I had to back up three times just to make it around the
>>>> Taco Bell
>
> Yeah, you keep stating that, but in fact it DID have a differential
> and a vacuum lock called Emergency Drive that could more or less
> lock the front and rear in the Xfer case.
>
> Of course you could do the same thing by putting the wrong
> transmission fluid in it.
>
>
>>
>> Mine wouldn't slip. Perhaps it was supposed to, but it never did. If
>> you needed to make a sharp turn forget it, you had to back up
>> several times to make the turn.
>
> It was supposed to. Many didn't. Some had help.

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>>
>> You insisted many times that the full-time 4WD setup you were
>> describing had no centre diff, which it does, this is why the
>> question never got a satisfactory answer.
>
> Well, no, not that you could see. However I can see where it may have
> been incorporated into the transfer case, so that blunder was mine,
> and I apologize.
>
>>
>> To conclude, I agree with you - if that was the type full-time 4WD
>> available I too would prefer part-time, but I think a proper
>> permanent 4WD system is on balance superior.
>
> Perhaps I'll try one one my next truck, they do sound far superior to
> what I had. I also hope the next time a thread like this starts I
> stay out of it. ;-)

Never mind - at least we got to the end of it!

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Roughly 1/9/04 18:08, Douglas A. Shrader's monkeys randomly typed:

>
> Jerry Bransford. He doesn't seem to post much lately. I had hoped he would
> say something in this thread, he's pretty sharp on the uptake and could have
> clarified a few things for both sides, or so I hoped. .

Jerry hangs out pretty regularly over on r.a.m.j+w altho haven't seen
him there lately. Also Mike Romain who is recovering from a
nasty vehicle accident and "treatment" by a socialized medical
system.