For the Volvo aficionado's....:))

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The only (current) Volvo with decent 4wd....:))

http://www.dakar2004.nu/


(click the links in the 'latest news' section on the lower end of that page
for video's; couldn't get the videolinks through the pull-down-menu above to
run, neither some of the pictures in the galleries)


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Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
> [posted and mailed]
>
> The only (current) Volvo with decent 4wd....:))
>
> http://www.dakar2004.nu/
>
>
> (click the links in the 'latest news' section on the lower end of
> that page for video's; couldn't get the videolinks through the
> pull-down-menu above to run, neither some of the pictures in the
> galleries)

Current? It's an old army C303 with a daft looking body dropped on it!

Maybe Ford could get a LR 101 chassis with a Jag XKR cabrio body on it and
enter. . . . . . :)

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Exit wrote:
> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>
>>[posted and mailed]
>>
>>The only (current) Volvo with decent 4wd....:))
>>
>>http://www.dakar2004.nu/
>>
>>
>>(click the links in the 'latest news' section on the lower end of
>>that page for video's; couldn't get the videolinks through the
>>pull-down-menu above to run, neither some of the pictures in the
>>galleries)
>
>
> Current? It's an old army C303 with a daft looking body dropped on it!
>
> Maybe Ford could get a LR 101 chassis with a Jag XKR cabrio body on it and
> enter. . . . . . :)
>

What about Audi using a Lamborghini LM002 with a Audi TT body ;-)

Remco
 
Remco Meeder wrote:
> Exit wrote:
>> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>>
>>> [posted and mailed]
>>>
>>> The only (current) Volvo with decent 4wd....:))
>>>
>>> http://www.dakar2004.nu/
>>>
>>>
>>> (click the links in the 'latest news' section on the lower end of
>>> that page for video's; couldn't get the videolinks through the
>>> pull-down-menu above to run, neither some of the pictures in the
>>> galleries)
>>
>>
>> Current? It's an old army C303 with a daft looking body dropped on
>> it!
>>
>> Maybe Ford could get a LR 101 chassis with a Jag XKR cabrio body on
>> it and enter. . . . . . :)
>>
>
> What about Audi using a Lamborghini LM002 with a Audi TT body ;-)
>
> Remco

OK, but only if it's a pink TT cabrio with a red interior. . . . . :)

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"Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in news:xv%Ab.31426$7S1.23856@news-
lhr.blueyonder.co.uk:

> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>> [posted and mailed]
>>
>> The only (current) Volvo with decent 4wd....:))
>>
>> http://www.dakar2004.nu/
>>
>>
>> (click the links in the 'latest news' section on the lower end of
>> that page for video's; couldn't get the videolinks through the
>> pull-down-menu above to run, neither some of the pictures in the
>> galleries)
>
> Current? It's an old army C303 with a daft looking body dropped on it!

C30x are the civilian versions, you mean TPG11....;))
(even though somewhere it says either axles or gearbox came from a TPG20
(6 ton version LWB 6x6 (C306), instead of the 3 ton version 4x4 (C303)
(there is also a 4 ton version SWB 6x6 (C304))) ....but I believe the main
difference between the two is in the overall gearing, not in strength).

> Maybe Ford could get a LR 101 chassis with a Jag XKR cabrio body on it
and
> enter. . . . . . :)

A Dutch team did last year, an old Jaguar XJ body on a RR core....:))
Of course, the good thing is that a body can't leak fluids, and most
electric stuff will have been removed too....;))

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Remco Meeder <[email protected]> wrote in news:br20rq$289lva$1@ID-
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> Exit wrote:
>> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>>
>>>[posted and mailed]
>>>
>>>The only (current) Volvo with decent 4wd....:))
>>>
>>>http://www.dakar2004.nu/
>>>
>>>
>>>(click the links in the 'latest news' section on the lower end of
>>>that page for video's; couldn't get the videolinks through the
>>>pull-down-menu above to run, neither some of the pictures in the
>>>galleries)
>>
>>
>> Current? It's an old army C303 with a daft looking body dropped on it!
>>
>> Maybe Ford could get a LR 101 chassis with a Jag XKR cabrio body on it
and
>> enter. . . . . . :)
>>
>
> What about Audi using a Lamborghini LM002 with a Audi TT body ;-)
>
> Remco

You can rent a LM002 in Germany, creme white with bright red
interior....:))
(interesting detail: it seems the LM002 is one of the few 4x4's with
factory fulltime 4wd and manual locking hubs (and selectable 2wd of
course))


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Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in news:xv%Ab.31426$7S1.23856@news-
> lhr.blueyonder.co.uk:
>
>> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>>> [posted and mailed]
>>>
>>> The only (current) Volvo with decent 4wd....:))
>>>
>>> http://www.dakar2004.nu/
>>>
>>>
>>> (click the links in the 'latest news' section on the lower end of
>>> that page for video's; couldn't get the videolinks through the
>>> pull-down-menu above to run, neither some of the pictures in the
>>> galleries)
>>
>> Current? It's an old army C303 with a daft looking body dropped on
>> it!
>
> C30x are the civilian versions, you mean TPG11....;))
> (even though somewhere it says either axles or gearbox came from a
> TPG20 (6 ton version LWB 6x6 (C306), instead of the 3 ton version 4x4
> (C303) (there is also a 4 ton version SWB 6x6 (C304))) ....but I
> believe the main difference between the two is in the overall
> gearing, not in strength).
>
I find it hard to get enthusiastic about Volvos. . . . . . . ;-)

>> Maybe Ford could get a LR 101 chassis with a Jag XKR cabrio body on
>> it and enter. . . . . . :)
>
> A Dutch team did last year, an old Jaguar XJ body on a RR core....:))
> Of course, the good thing is that a body can't leak fluids, and most
> electric stuff will have been removed too....;))

Should've fitted it to a Toyota chassis, though I hear the Toy engines are
programmed not to start unless the body has sufficient chrome, two-tone
paint and at least a cars length of fake stitching moulded into the dash. .
.. . . ;-)

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"Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in news:xv%Ab.31426$7S1.23856@news-
>> lhr.blueyonder.co.uk:
>>
>>> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>>>> [posted and mailed]
>>>>
>>>> The only (current) Volvo with decent 4wd....:))
>>>>
>>>> http://www.dakar2004.nu/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (click the links in the 'latest news' section on the lower end of
>>>> that page for video's; couldn't get the videolinks through the
>>>> pull-down-menu above to run, neither some of the pictures in the
>>>> galleries)
>>>
>>> Current? It's an old army C303 with a daft looking body dropped on
>>> it!
>>
>> C30x are the civilian versions, you mean TPG11....;))
>> (even though somewhere it says either axles or gearbox came from a
>> TPG20 (6 ton version LWB 6x6 (C306), instead of the 3 ton version 4x4
>> (C303) (there is also a 4 ton version SWB 6x6 (C304))) ....but I
>> believe the main difference between the two is in the overall
>> gearing, not in strength).
>>
> I find it hard to get enthusiastic about Volvos. . . . . . . ;-)

No, those C30x's are fine, and apparently that drivetrain can take a lot
more power than it's Teutonic twin, the Pinzgauer.

One more interesting detail of the C30x drivetrain: it's the only one I
know that engages 4wd (parttime, rigid front/rear connection) during hard
braking (and with engine off, but I believe there are a few more odd 4x4's
that do this (just to be sure that the parking brake has maximum effect)).

http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/4wd-engaged-when-braking.txt


>>> Maybe Ford could get a LR 101 chassis with a Jag XKR cabrio body on
>>> it and enter. . . . . . :)
>>
>> A Dutch team did last year, an old Jaguar XJ body on a RR core....:))
>> Of course, the good thing is that a body can't leak fluids, and most
>> electric stuff will have been removed too....;))
>
> Should've fitted it to a Toyota chassis, though I hear the Toy engines
> are programmed not to start unless the body has sufficient chrome,
> two-tone paint and at least a cars length of fake stitching moulded into
> the dash. . . . . ;-)

You missed the TopGear episode where they try to trash a Toyota pickup,
and it keeps running and running like a perverted Duracell Bunny?

Haven't seen it on Dutch TV yet sadly:
(not that this is a lowly pickup, not even a Land Cruiser; significantly
smaller drivetrain components....;))

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
For those who don't watch the BBC...

Their "Top Gear" programme has been testing the thesis that a Toyota
pickup is indestructible. They bought an old pickup truck (Hilux?
4-runner? I'm not good at pick-ups) and:

- drove it into a tree
- drowned it in the Bristol Channel (completely immersed in salt water for
12 hours, the tie-downs were broken by rip tide) - hit it with a wrecking
ball on the end of a demolition crane - drove it through a shed - dropped
a caravan on it - set fire to it

And it still started and ran (all they did was use ordinary tools + new
oil & fuel)

Finally last night they placed it on top of a 240 foot tower block that
was then completely demolished by explosives. They pulled it out of the
wreckage, added fuel and oil, and it ran - just.

Insane, but impressive!

Christopher Bell
Devon, UK
1996 1HD-FT
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



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"Willem-Jan Markerink" <[email protected]> wrote


> For those who don't watch the BBC...
>
> Their "Top Gear" programme has been testing the thesis that a Toyota
> pickup is indestructible. They bought an old pickup truck (Hilux?
> 4-runner? I'm not good at pick-ups) and:
>
> - drove it into a tree
> - drowned it in the Bristol Channel (completely immersed in salt water for
> 12 hours, the tie-downs were broken by rip tide) - hit it with a wrecking
> ball on the end of a demolition crane - drove it through a shed - dropped
> a caravan on it - set fire to it
>
> And it still started and ran (all they did was use ordinary tools + new
> oil & fuel)
>
> Finally last night they placed it on top of a 240 foot tower block that
> was then completely demolished by explosives. They pulled it out of the
> wreckage, added fuel and oil, and it ran - just.
>
> Insane, but impressive!
>
> Christopher Bell
> Devon, UK

That would be a Hilux.

Most popular farm 4x4 sold in NZ. most still running.

rhys


 
Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>>> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in news:xv%Ab.31426$7S1.23856@news-
>>> lhr.blueyonder.co.uk:
>>>
>>>> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>>>>> [posted and mailed]
>>>>>
>>>>> The only (current) Volvo with decent 4wd....:))
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.dakar2004.nu/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (click the links in the 'latest news' section on the lower end of
>>>>> that page for video's; couldn't get the videolinks through the
>>>>> pull-down-menu above to run, neither some of the pictures in the
>>>>> galleries)
>>>>
>>>> Current? It's an old army C303 with a daft looking body dropped on
>>>> it!
>>>
>>> C30x are the civilian versions, you mean TPG11....;))
>>> (even though somewhere it says either axles or gearbox came from a
>>> TPG20 (6 ton version LWB 6x6 (C306), instead of the 3 ton version
>>> 4x4 (C303) (there is also a 4 ton version SWB 6x6 (C304))) ....but I
>>> believe the main difference between the two is in the overall
>>> gearing, not in strength).
>>>
>> I find it hard to get enthusiastic about Volvos. . . . . . . ;-)
>
> No, those C30x's are fine, and apparently that drivetrain can take a
> lot more power than it's Teutonic twin, the Pinzgauer.
>
> One more interesting detail of the C30x drivetrain: it's the only one
> I know that engages 4wd (parttime, rigid front/rear connection)
> during hard braking (and with engine off, but I believe there are a
> few more odd 4x4's that do this (just to be sure that the parking
> brake has maximum effect)).
>
> http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/4wd-engaged-when-braking.txt
>
Part-time 4WD is pointless - if you're going to have 4WD have it all the
time.

>
>>>> Maybe Ford could get a LR 101 chassis with a Jag XKR cabrio body on
>>>> it and enter. . . . . . :)
>>>
>>> A Dutch team did last year, an old Jaguar XJ body on a RR
>>> core....:)) Of course, the good thing is that a body can't leak
>>> fluids, and most electric stuff will have been removed too....;))
>>
>> Should've fitted it to a Toyota chassis, though I hear the Toy
>> engines are programmed not to start unless the body has sufficient
>> chrome, two-tone paint and at least a cars length of fake stitching
>> moulded into the dash. . . . . ;-)
>
> You missed the TopGear episode where they try to trash a Toyota
> pickup, and it keeps running and running like a perverted Duracell
> Bunny?
>
No, Ive seen that - nothing that an old Series Land Rover couldn't do -
after all a modern Hilux is about as high tech as a 1950's SII - leaf
springs, old fashioned diesel engine etc etc. Shame they rust so easily or
you might see lots of them still in use when they are 40 years old like you
do Land Rovers. . . . . .

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rnf2 wrote:
> "Willem-Jan Markerink" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>
>> For those who don't watch the BBC...
>>
>> Their "Top Gear" programme has been testing the thesis that a Toyota
>> pickup is indestructible. They bought an old pickup truck (Hilux?
>> 4-runner? I'm not good at pick-ups) and:
>>
>> - drove it into a tree
>> - drowned it in the Bristol Channel (completely immersed in salt
>> water for 12 hours, the tie-downs were broken by rip tide) - hit it
>> with a wrecking ball on the end of a demolition crane - drove it
>> through a shed - dropped a caravan on it - set fire to it
>>
>> And it still started and ran (all they did was use ordinary tools +
>> new oil & fuel)
>>
>> Finally last night they placed it on top of a 240 foot tower block
>> that was then completely demolished by explosives. They pulled it
>> out of the wreckage, added fuel and oil, and it ran - just.
>>
>> Insane, but impressive!
>>
>> Christopher Bell
>> Devon, UK
>
> That would be a Hilux.
>
> Most popular farm 4x4 sold in NZ. most still running.
>
> rhys

You guys obviously don't salt your roads in the winter - seeing a 10 year
old hilux still running here is quite an event! :)

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"Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in news:l2nBb.13427$Y72.3148@news-
lhr.blueyonder.co.uk:

> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>>>> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in news:xv%Ab.31426$7S1.23856@news-
>>>> lhr.blueyonder.co.uk:
>>>>
>>>>> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>>>>>> [posted and mailed]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only (current) Volvo with decent 4wd....:))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.dakar2004.nu/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (click the links in the 'latest news' section on the lower end of
>>>>>> that page for video's; couldn't get the videolinks through the
>>>>>> pull-down-menu above to run, neither some of the pictures in the
>>>>>> galleries)
>>>>>
>>>>> Current? It's an old army C303 with a daft looking body dropped on
>>>>> it!
>>>>
>>>> C30x are the civilian versions, you mean TPG11....;))
>>>> (even though somewhere it says either axles or gearbox came from a
>>>> TPG20 (6 ton version LWB 6x6 (C306), instead of the 3 ton version
>>>> 4x4 (C303) (there is also a 4 ton version SWB 6x6 (C304))) ....but I
>>>> believe the main difference between the two is in the overall
>>>> gearing, not in strength).
>>>>
>>> I find it hard to get enthusiastic about Volvos. . . . . . . ;-)
>>
>> No, those C30x's are fine, and apparently that drivetrain can take a
>> lot more power than it's Teutonic twin, the Pinzgauer.
>>
>> One more interesting detail of the C30x drivetrain: it's the only one
>> I know that engages 4wd (parttime, rigid front/rear connection)
>> during hard braking (and with engine off, but I believe there are a
>> few more odd 4x4's that do this (just to be sure that the parking
>> brake has maximum effect)).
>>
>> http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/4wd-engaged-when-braking.txt
>>
> Part-time 4WD is pointless - if you're going to have 4WD have it all the
> time.

Under throttle yes, but during braking you are better off with a front/rear
locked drivetrain....much more effective braking, much more stable....and
even with a fulltime4wd under throttle, on a snow/slush-covered road,
things get more stable if you lock the center diff (same goes for aqua-
planing).


>>
>>>>> Maybe Ford could get a LR 101 chassis with a Jag XKR cabrio body on
>>>>> it and enter. . . . . . :)
>>>>
>>>> A Dutch team did last year, an old Jaguar XJ body on a RR
>>>> core....:)) Of course, the good thing is that a body can't leak
>>>> fluids, and most electric stuff will have been removed too....;))
>>>
>>> Should've fitted it to a Toyota chassis, though I hear the Toy
>>> engines are programmed not to start unless the body has sufficient
>>> chrome, two-tone paint and at least a cars length of fake stitching
>>> moulded into the dash. . . . . ;-)
>>
>> You missed the TopGear episode where they try to trash a Toyota
>> pickup, and it keeps running and running like a perverted Duracell
>> Bunny?
>>
> No, Ive seen that - nothing that an old Series Land Rover couldn't do -
> after all a modern Hilux is about as high tech as a 1950's SII - leaf
> springs, old fashioned diesel engine etc etc. Shame they rust so easily
or
> you might see lots of them still in use when they are 40 years old like
you
> do Land Rovers. . . . . .

There is no use being left with only an alloy body, once the rest has
crumbled to r/dust.
I don't know any brand that has so much supply of new frames & bulkheads
than Land Rover....:))



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is sometimes far less intelligent than
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Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in news:l2nBb.13427$Y72.3148@news-
> lhr.blueyonder.co.uk:
>
>> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>>> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>>>>> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in news:xv%Ab.31426$7S1.23856@news-
>>>>> lhr.blueyonder.co.uk:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>>>>>>> [posted and mailed]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only (current) Volvo with decent 4wd....:))
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.dakar2004.nu/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (click the links in the 'latest news' section on the lower end
>>>>>>> of that page for video's; couldn't get the videolinks through
>>>>>>> the pull-down-menu above to run, neither some of the pictures
>>>>>>> in the galleries)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Current? It's an old army C303 with a daft looking body dropped
>>>>>> on it!
>>>>>
>>>>> C30x are the civilian versions, you mean TPG11....;))
>>>>> (even though somewhere it says either axles or gearbox came from
>>>>> a TPG20 (6 ton version LWB 6x6 (C306), instead of the 3 ton
>>>>> version 4x4 (C303) (there is also a 4 ton version SWB 6x6
>>>>> (C304))) ....but I believe the main difference between the two is
>>>>> in the overall gearing, not in strength).
>>>>>
>>>> I find it hard to get enthusiastic about Volvos. . . . . . . ;-)
>>>
>>> No, those C30x's are fine, and apparently that drivetrain can take a
>>> lot more power than it's Teutonic twin, the Pinzgauer.
>>>
>>> One more interesting detail of the C30x drivetrain: it's the only
>>> one I know that engages 4wd (parttime, rigid front/rear connection)
>>> during hard braking (and with engine off, but I believe there are a
>>> few more odd 4x4's that do this (just to be sure that the parking
>>> brake has maximum effect)).
>>>
>>> http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/4wd-engaged-when-braking.txt
>>>
>> Part-time 4WD is pointless - if you're going to have 4WD have it all
>> the time.
>
> Under throttle yes, but during braking you are better off with a
> front/rear locked drivetrain....much more effective braking, much
> more stable....and even with a fulltime4wd under throttle, on a
> snow/slush-covered road, things get more stable if you lock the
> center diff (same goes for aqua- planing).
>
>
>>>
>>>>>> Maybe Ford could get a LR 101 chassis with a Jag XKR cabrio body
>>>>>> on it and enter. . . . . . :)
>>>>>
>>>>> A Dutch team did last year, an old Jaguar XJ body on a RR
>>>>> core....:)) Of course, the good thing is that a body can't leak
>>>>> fluids, and most electric stuff will have been removed too....;))
>>>>
>>>> Should've fitted it to a Toyota chassis, though I hear the Toy
>>>> engines are programmed not to start unless the body has sufficient
>>>> chrome, two-tone paint and at least a cars length of fake stitching
>>>> moulded into the dash. . . . . ;-)
>>>
>>> You missed the TopGear episode where they try to trash a Toyota
>>> pickup, and it keeps running and running like a perverted Duracell
>>> Bunny?
>>>
>> No, Ive seen that - nothing that an old Series Land Rover couldn't
>> do - after all a modern Hilux is about as high tech as a 1950's SII
>> - leaf springs, old fashioned diesel engine etc etc. Shame they rust
>> so easily or you might see lots of them still in use when they are
>> 40 years old like you do Land Rovers. . . . . .
>
> There is no use being left with only an alloy body, once the rest has
> crumbled to r/dust.
> I don't know any brand that has so much supply of new frames &
> bulkheads than Land Rover....:))

Thats because no other vehicle lasts long enough to need a new chassis, you
just throw away old jap-crap.

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"Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in news:G6pBb.14870$Y72.12937@news-
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> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in news:l2nBb.13427$Y72.3148@news-
>> lhr.blueyonder.co.uk:
>>
>>> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>>>> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>>>>>> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in news:xv%Ab.31426$7S1.23856@news-
>>>>>> lhr.blueyonder.co.uk:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>>>>>>>> [posted and mailed]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only (current) Volvo with decent 4wd....:))
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.dakar2004.nu/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (click the links in the 'latest news' section on the lower end
>>>>>>>> of that page for video's; couldn't get the videolinks through
>>>>>>>> the pull-down-menu above to run, neither some of the pictures
>>>>>>>> in the galleries)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Current? It's an old army C303 with a daft looking body dropped
>>>>>>> on it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> C30x are the civilian versions, you mean TPG11....;))
>>>>>> (even though somewhere it says either axles or gearbox came from
>>>>>> a TPG20 (6 ton version LWB 6x6 (C306), instead of the 3 ton
>>>>>> version 4x4 (C303) (there is also a 4 ton version SWB 6x6
>>>>>> (C304))) ....but I believe the main difference between the two is
>>>>>> in the overall gearing, not in strength).
>>>>>>
>>>>> I find it hard to get enthusiastic about Volvos. . . . . . . ;-)
>>>>
>>>> No, those C30x's are fine, and apparently that drivetrain can take a
>>>> lot more power than it's Teutonic twin, the Pinzgauer.
>>>>
>>>> One more interesting detail of the C30x drivetrain: it's the only
>>>> one I know that engages 4wd (parttime, rigid front/rear connection)
>>>> during hard braking (and with engine off, but I believe there are a
>>>> few more odd 4x4's that do this (just to be sure that the parking
>>>> brake has maximum effect)).
>>>>
>>>> http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/4wd-engaged-when-braking.txt
>>>>
>>> Part-time 4WD is pointless - if you're going to have 4WD have it all
>>> the time.
>>
>> Under throttle yes, but during braking you are better off with a
>> front/rear locked drivetrain....much more effective braking, much
>> more stable....and even with a fulltime4wd under throttle, on a
>> snow/slush-covered road, things get more stable if you lock the
>> center diff (same goes for aqua- planing).
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe Ford could get a LR 101 chassis with a Jag XKR cabrio body
>>>>>>> on it and enter. . . . . . :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Dutch team did last year, an old Jaguar XJ body on a RR
>>>>>> core....:)) Of course, the good thing is that a body can't leak
>>>>>> fluids, and most electric stuff will have been removed too....;))
>>>>>
>>>>> Should've fitted it to a Toyota chassis, though I hear the Toy
>>>>> engines are programmed not to start unless the body has sufficient
>>>>> chrome, two-tone paint and at least a cars length of fake stitching
>>>>> moulded into the dash. . . . . ;-)
>>>>
>>>> You missed the TopGear episode where they try to trash a Toyota
>>>> pickup, and it keeps running and running like a perverted Duracell
>>>> Bunny?
>>>>
>>> No, Ive seen that - nothing that an old Series Land Rover couldn't
>>> do - after all a modern Hilux is about as high tech as a 1950's SII
>>> - leaf springs, old fashioned diesel engine etc etc. Shame they rust
>>> so easily or you might see lots of them still in use when they are
>>> 40 years old like you do Land Rovers. . . . . .
>>
>> There is no use being left with only an alloy body, once the rest has
>> crumbled to r/dust.
>> I don't know any brand that has so much supply of new frames &
>> bulkheads than Land Rover....:))
>
> Thats because no other vehicle lasts long enough to need a new chassis,
you
> just throw away old jap-crap.
>

That's also why so many LR's lost their original engine and axles?....;))

I mean, it's better to order a fiberglass, alloy or SS replica Cruiser body
than start the other way around....:))

The only sad thing is that they don't offer complete fiber/alloy/SS FJ55
bodies....;((
(but even in misery-climate UK several have survived....:))

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is sometimes far less intelligent than
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Willem-
>>>>>
>>>>> You missed the TopGear episode where they try to trash a Toyota
>>>>> pickup, and it keeps running and running like a perverted Duracell
>>>>> Bunny?
>>>>>
>>>> No, Ive seen that - nothing that an old Series Land Rover couldn't
>>>> do - after all a modern Hilux is about as high tech as a 1950's SII
>>>> - leaf springs, old fashioned diesel engine etc etc. Shame they
>>>> rust so easily or you might see lots of them still in use when
>>>> they are 40 years old like you do Land Rovers. . . . . .
>>>
>>> There is no use being left with only an alloy body, once the rest
>>> has crumbled to r/dust.
>>> I don't know any brand that has so much supply of new frames &
>>> bulkheads than Land Rover....:))
>>
>> Thats because no other vehicle lasts long enough to need a new
>> chassis, you just throw away old jap-crap.
>>
>
> That's also why so many LR's lost their original engine and
> axles?....;))
>
Heh? My 1959 SII has it's original chassis, bulkhead, axles and engine -
admittedly it's only done 307,000 miles so it's only just run in but the
British Army owned it for the first 11 years of it's life. Be amazed if I
ever see a 45 year old toymota that has survived army life and still beats
new jap stuff off-road. . . . . . .

> I mean, it's better to order a fiberglass, alloy or SS replica
> Cruiser body than start the other way around....:))
>
Good grief - it's embarrassing enough to be seen in a Toyota, let alone
extending their life beyond the normal 5 years by fitting a body made out of
the same stuff as the dashboard. . . . . . :-(

> The only sad thing is that they don't offer complete fiber/alloy/SS
> FJ55 bodies....;((
> (but even in misery-climate UK several have survived....:))

True, but then Toymotas just aren't up to harsh climates like Britain - best
keep them in a heated garage if you want then to last. . . ;-)

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"Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> Willem-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You missed the TopGear episode where they try to trash a Toyota
>>>>>> pickup, and it keeps running and running like a perverted Duracell
>>>>>> Bunny?
>>>>>>
>>>>> No, Ive seen that - nothing that an old Series Land Rover couldn't
>>>>> do - after all a modern Hilux is about as high tech as a 1950's SII
>>>>> - leaf springs, old fashioned diesel engine etc etc. Shame they
>>>>> rust so easily or you might see lots of them still in use when
>>>>> they are 40 years old like you do Land Rovers. . . . . .
>>>>
>>>> There is no use being left with only an alloy body, once the rest
>>>> has crumbled to r/dust.
>>>> I don't know any brand that has so much supply of new frames &
>>>> bulkheads than Land Rover....:))
>>>
>>> Thats because no other vehicle lasts long enough to need a new
>>> chassis, you just throw away old jap-crap.
>>>
>>
>> That's also why so many LR's lost their original engine and
>> axles?....;))
>>
> Heh? My 1959 SII has it's original chassis, bulkhead, axles and engine -
> admittedly it's only done 307,000 miles so it's only just run in but the
> British Army owned it for the first 11 years of it's life. Be amazed if
> I ever see a 45 year old toymota that has survived army life and still
> beats new jap stuff off-road. . . . . . .

Never been to Africa, eh?....;))
And talking offroad: since when can stock LR-axles take lockers without
snapping like pretzels?
We once had a 109, and in the end we started stocking those halfshafts
ourselves....even looking at the 4wd button on hard pavement was enough to
hear it pop....:))

>> I mean, it's better to order a fiberglass, alloy or SS replica
>> Cruiser body than start the other way around....:))
>>
> Good grief - it's embarrassing enough to be seen in a Toyota, let alone
> extending their life beyond the normal 5 years by fitting a body made
> out of the same stuff as the dashboard. . . . . . :-(

At least you can bang your head on it, when (not if) you have a stuck LR
blocking your way for the gazillionst time....:))

>> The only sad thing is that they don't offer complete fiber/alloy/SS
>> FJ55 bodies....;((
>> (but even in misery-climate UK several have survived....:))
>
> True, but then Toymotas just aren't up to harsh climates like Britain -
> best keep them in a heated garage if you want then to last. . . ;-)

Or hose them off every day, like in the military, you cheater!



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Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Willem-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You missed the TopGear episode where they try to trash a Toyota
>>>>>>> pickup, and it keeps running and running like a perverted
>>>>>>> Duracell Bunny?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, Ive seen that - nothing that an old Series Land Rover
>>>>>> couldn't do - after all a modern Hilux is about as high tech as
>>>>>> a 1950's SII
>>>>>> - leaf springs, old fashioned diesel engine etc etc. Shame they
>>>>>> rust so easily or you might see lots of them still in use when
>>>>>> they are 40 years old like you do Land Rovers. . . . . .
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no use being left with only an alloy body, once the rest
>>>>> has crumbled to r/dust.
>>>>> I don't know any brand that has so much supply of new frames &
>>>>> bulkheads than Land Rover....:))
>>>>
>>>> Thats because no other vehicle lasts long enough to need a new
>>>> chassis, you just throw away old jap-crap.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's also why so many LR's lost their original engine and
>>> axles?....;))
>>>
>> Heh? My 1959 SII has it's original chassis, bulkhead, axles and
>> engine - admittedly it's only done 307,000 miles so it's only just
>> run in but the British Army owned it for the first 11 years of it's
>> life. Be amazed if I ever see a 45 year old toymota that has
>> survived army life and still beats new jap stuff off-road. . . . . .
>> .
>
> Never been to Africa, eh?....;))

Plenty of times - it's nice and dry - suits jap stuff.

> And talking offroad: since when can stock LR-axles take lockers
> without snapping like pretzels?

Since when have they needed them? I realise the jappies have such little
axle travel you need to fit lockers to drive up a kerb, but properly
designed off-roaders don't.

> We once had a 109, and in the end we started stocking those halfshafts
> ourselves....even looking at the 4wd button on hard pavement was
> enough to hear it pop....:))
>
I can't be held responsible for your incompetence. They are strong enough
for the British Army, it must be you who is wrong. Tell me which decent
armies use Toyotas then?

>>> I mean, it's better to order a fiberglass, alloy or SS replica
>>> Cruiser body than start the other way around....:))
>>>
>> Good grief - it's embarrassing enough to be seen in a Toyota, let
>> alone extending their life beyond the normal 5 years by fitting a
>> body made out of the same stuff as the dashboard. . . . . . :-(
>
> At least you can bang your head on it, when (not if) you have a stuck
> LR blocking your way for the gazillionst time....:))
>
Only Toymotas I see are on the end of a rope attached to my nato hitch while
I pull them out of muddy car parks and other such difficult terrain.

>>> The only sad thing is that they don't offer complete fiber/alloy/SS
>>> FJ55 bodies....;((
>>> (but even in misery-climate UK several have survived....:))
>>
>> True, but then Toymotas just aren't up to harsh climates like
>> Britain - best keep them in a heated garage if you want then to
>> last. . . ;-)
>
> Or hose them off every day, like in the military, you cheater!

You could hose your jap toys off every hour, they will still get towed to
the scrappy by a LR 3 or 4 times their age eventually. . . . . .

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"Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> Willem-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You missed the TopGear episode where they try to trash a Toyota
>>>>>>>> pickup, and it keeps running and running like a perverted
>>>>>>>> Duracell Bunny?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, Ive seen that - nothing that an old Series Land Rover
>>>>>>> couldn't do - after all a modern Hilux is about as high tech as
>>>>>>> a 1950's SII
>>>>>>> - leaf springs, old fashioned diesel engine etc etc. Shame they
>>>>>>> rust so easily or you might see lots of them still in use when
>>>>>>> they are 40 years old like you do Land Rovers. . . . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no use being left with only an alloy body, once the rest
>>>>>> has crumbled to r/dust.
>>>>>> I don't know any brand that has so much supply of new frames &
>>>>>> bulkheads than Land Rover....:))
>>>>>
>>>>> Thats because no other vehicle lasts long enough to need a new
>>>>> chassis, you just throw away old jap-crap.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's also why so many LR's lost their original engine and
>>>> axles?....;))
>>>>
>>> Heh? My 1959 SII has it's original chassis, bulkhead, axles and
>>> engine - admittedly it's only done 307,000 miles so it's only just
>>> run in but the British Army owned it for the first 11 years of it's
>>> life. Be amazed if I ever see a 45 year old toymota that has
>>> survived army life and still beats new jap stuff off-road. . . . . .
>>> .
>>
>> Never been to Africa, eh?....;))
>
> Plenty of times - it's nice and dry - suits jap stuff.
>
>> And talking offroad: since when can stock LR-axles take lockers
>> without snapping like pretzels?
>
> Since when have they needed them? I realise the jappies have such little
> axle travel you need to fit lockers to drive up a kerb, but properly
> designed off-roaders don't.

Nonsense, even on a flat surface you can get stuck on a patch of ice on one
side.

>> We once had a 109, and in the end we started stocking those halfshafts
>> ourselves....even looking at the 4wd button on hard pavement was
>> enough to hear it pop....:))
>>
> I can't be held responsible for your incompetence. They are strong
> enough for the British Army, it must be you who is wrong. Tell me which
> decent armies use Toyotas then?

Never been to Africa, eh?....;))
The Humvee also only survives in the US-army because they have plenty of
repair/maintenance on hand, in the field. Ask civilian Hummer owners....:))
African armies don't like that concept either, so they choose Toyota.

Heck, even the probably richest army in the world, Saoudi-Arabia and/or
Oman, uses huge fleets of Toyota's (and Pinzgauers), not LR.

>>>> I mean, it's better to order a fiberglass, alloy or SS replica
>>>> Cruiser body than start the other way around....:))
>>>>
>>> Good grief - it's embarrassing enough to be seen in a Toyota, let
>>> alone extending their life beyond the normal 5 years by fitting a
>>> body made out of the same stuff as the dashboard. . . . . . :-(
>>
>> At least you can bang your head on it, when (not if) you have a stuck
>> LR blocking your way for the gazillionst time....:))
>>
> Only Toymotas I see are on the end of a rope attached to my nato hitch
> while I pull them out of muddy car parks and other such difficult
> terrain.

That's how we snapped half-shafts on our 109 too, by towing....:))

>>>> The only sad thing is that they don't offer complete fiber/alloy/SS
>>>> FJ55 bodies....;((
>>>> (but even in misery-climate UK several have survived....:))
>>>
>>> True, but then Toymotas just aren't up to harsh climates like
>>> Britain - best keep them in a heated garage if you want then to
>>> last. . . ;-)
>>
>> Or hose them off every day, like in the military, you cheater!
>
> You could hose your jap toys off every hour, they will still get towed
> to the scrappy by a LR 3 or 4 times their age eventually. . . . . .

It's almost gerontofilia to keep them around for so long, and rebuilding
them time after time....;))



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"Exit" <[email protected]> wrote

> >> Insane, but impressive!
> >>
> >> Christopher Bell
> >> Devon, UK
> >
> > That would be a Hilux.
> >
> > Most popular farm 4x4 sold in NZ. most still running.
> >
> > rhys
>
> You guys obviously don't salt your roads in the winter - seeing a 10 year
> old hilux still running here is quite an event! :)
>
> --
> Julian

My great uncle had a 84 Hilux form new. still running well and withing WOF
specs, no chassis rust, just a bit of flaking on the bonnet where he spilt
break fluid by popping the bonnet while leaving an open bottle of the stuff
on it and rust started under the ameatur home done paint job he did after.

rhys


 
Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>>> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> Willem-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You missed the TopGear episode where they try to trash a
>>>>>>>>> Toyota pickup, and it keeps running and running like a
>>>>>>>>> perverted Duracell Bunny?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, Ive seen that - nothing that an old Series Land Rover
>>>>>>>> couldn't do - after all a modern Hilux is about as high tech as
>>>>>>>> a 1950's SII
>>>>>>>> - leaf springs, old fashioned diesel engine etc etc. Shame they
>>>>>>>> rust so easily or you might see lots of them still in use when
>>>>>>>> they are 40 years old like you do Land Rovers. . . . . .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no use being left with only an alloy body, once the
>>>>>>> rest has crumbled to r/dust.
>>>>>>> I don't know any brand that has so much supply of new frames &
>>>>>>> bulkheads than Land Rover....:))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thats because no other vehicle lasts long enough to need a new
>>>>>> chassis, you just throw away old jap-crap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's also why so many LR's lost their original engine and
>>>>> axles?....;))
>>>>>
>>>> Heh? My 1959 SII has it's original chassis, bulkhead, axles and
>>>> engine - admittedly it's only done 307,000 miles so it's only just
>>>> run in but the British Army owned it for the first 11 years of it's
>>>> life. Be amazed if I ever see a 45 year old toymota that has
>>>> survived army life and still beats new jap stuff off-road. . . . .
>>>> . .
>>>
>>> Never been to Africa, eh?....;))
>>
>> Plenty of times - it's nice and dry - suits jap stuff.
>>
>>> And talking offroad: since when can stock LR-axles take lockers
>>> without snapping like pretzels?
>>
>> Since when have they needed them? I realise the jappies have such
>> little axle travel you need to fit lockers to drive up a kerb, but
>> properly designed off-roaders don't.
>
> Nonsense, even on a flat surface you can get stuck on a patch of ice
> on one side.
>
In a toyota.

>>> We once had a 109, and in the end we started stocking those
>>> halfshafts ourselves....even looking at the 4wd button on hard
>>> pavement was enough to hear it pop....:))
>>>
>> I can't be held responsible for your incompetence. They are strong
>> enough for the British Army, it must be you who is wrong. Tell me
>> which decent armies use Toyotas then?
>
> Never been to Africa, eh?....;))

Plenty of times, can't you read?

> The Humvee also only survives in the US-army because they have plenty
> of repair/maintenance on hand, in the field. Ask civilian Hummer
> owners....:)) African armies don't like that concept either, so they
> choose Toyota.
>
I don't have a Hummvee. Very impressive - african armies - LOL! And don't
forget the Taliban - LMAO!

> Heck, even the probably richest army in the world, Saoudi-Arabia
> and/or Oman, uses huge fleets of Toyota's (and Pinzgauers), not LR.
>
Bwhahahahahaha. Let me think - how many important wars have those armies
won? Proper armies don't use toymotas, just these little ****ant ones that
never go to war like the ones you list. PS - the Pinzgauer is British now. .
.. . . .

>>>>> I mean, it's better to order a fiberglass, alloy or SS replica
>>>>> Cruiser body than start the other way around....:))
>>>>>
>>>> Good grief - it's embarrassing enough to be seen in a Toyota, let
>>>> alone extending their life beyond the normal 5 years by fitting a
>>>> body made out of the same stuff as the dashboard. . . . . . :-(
>>>
>>> At least you can bang your head on it, when (not if) you have a
>>> stuck LR blocking your way for the gazillionst time....:))
>>>
>> Only Toymotas I see are on the end of a rope attached to my nato
>> hitch while I pull them out of muddy car parks and other such
>> difficult terrain.
>
> That's how we snapped half-shafts on our 109 too, by towing....:))
>
Well I never have and all those toymotas I tow out with all that chrome and
velour seats are heavy you know - maybe you should learn to drive.

>>>>> The only sad thing is that they don't offer complete
>>>>> fiber/alloy/SS FJ55 bodies....;((
>>>>> (but even in misery-climate UK several have survived....:))
>>>>
>>>> True, but then Toymotas just aren't up to harsh climates like
>>>> Britain - best keep them in a heated garage if you want then to
>>>> last. . . ;-)
>>>
>>> Or hose them off every day, like in the military, you cheater!
>>
>> You could hose your jap toys off every hour, they will still get
>> towed to the scrappy by a LR 3 or 4 times their age eventually. . .
>> . . .
>
> It's almost gerontofilia to keep them around for so long, and
> rebuilding them time after time....;))

Hahahaha. You really don't know what you are talking about do you? The vast
majority of old Land Rovers are run by people who've owned them for years
and barely change the oil, let alone rebuild them! Just face facts, you will
never see as many old Toyotas on the roads as you will Land Rovers because
Toymotas aren't designed to last.

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