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At least I'm not called Nathan.

Sure. I am here because we are (were) having a debate about greenlaning. Some people are more happy to indulge in the personal stuff because I used the word "horse****" in my opening post. I suppose it was a bit rude but then so is pontificating about a company they know little about.

LOL! Can anyone else see the irony in this post? Redhand - I've been called names by everyone in this post and still managed to robustly state my point without resort to name calling (a few minor journies into sarcasm mind). Get in line.

Really? For long? Even with your metaphorical balls? Are they hairy metaphorical balls or do you metaphorically shave them? Do you play metaphorical pocket snooker? I'm off to play with my metaphorical breasts. I grew them metaphorically this evening, special like. You lot don't half blether...

POINT OF ORDER There's absolutely nothing stopping you from refraining to come into this thread. Debates often don't have a winner at the end. Normally people can agree to disagree without resorting ganging up on people. Now THAT's trolling.

Good Lord! May I suggest anger management classes (and the removal of the self-love signature)? Of course, they're in it for the money. Why else would you set up a business? Love? Big groups **** the bobblers off? So what? Who gave them all the cards? Oh, yes, you did by pandering to their...

Paul....you are guilty of very two dimensional thinking here. Firstly, there is no change of tack : I wanted both guidance around the route and assistance should I have got stuck. You see, our guide does this for a living and turned up in a G4 Discovery with MTs, a winch and all the recovery...

This gets through to me but is it OK if I disagree with you? BTW - I am no troll. I repeat that this thread is on the first page of Google results when you search for Happy Valley and I feel that you lot are giving Protrax a bad name with no cause. Now. You listen to me. You can not legislate...

That's actually a good example because I clearly state that no damage was caused i.e. no consequence to the actions. I'm arguing with people who can't read. It's becoming pointless.

Griff - I have twisted nothing. You have accused Protrax of disrespecting the locals and their country but have not so far been able to demonstrate how. Even in this post you have accused them of charging around. What does this mean? It sounds like you think they are driving too fast and...

Could you point out any post where I said this? Another hearsay example without any detail of the cirumstances.

Griff - I am sorry but you have zero right to criticise someone for not stopping in a town and being nice to the locals. This doesn't mean you are respecting them any less by not stopping. The only difference is that you wanted something different out of your holiday than the Protrax people...

Do I sound uneducated to you, Griff? How would you know? Considering the plaque is down a hill away from the road and has significant weathering, you would easily miss it. You are now contesting what I think is good value and that isn't right. I consider £55 to be exceptionally good value if...

So then. No damage. No inconvenience. No broken laws. Can't see the problem myself. Do you expect foreigners to stop and talk to you in your town when they're over on their holidays? Would you be wound up if 20 Land Rovers came through your town and were gone in 30 seconds? Do you appreciate...

Nice sensible post, Paul. I must say, I agree with you. Although it is always quite good fun to get stuck and no one nor no car is infallible. That said, just to be a bit clearer, the main reason that I liked having an instructor was that he knew the lanes, he knew the history of the area (we...

Paul - I haven't made the effort to read your article but what I would say, in case this needs pointing out to you, that people do get stuck when conditions get rough. Have you never been stuck? You will also get people who behave irresponsibly within a perfectly responsible and well run trip...

OK Griff. Let's engage. I made the effort and went back to your post. You were "disgusted" (You do read the Daily Mail don't you, are "Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells"? That's you, isn't it?) about a cloud of dust they kicked up on a dusty road. How did this inconvenience you and what damage was...

OK. So we got the picture. Now, is there a question associated with it? Not sure what you're expecting from me. You clearly need my advice about something. Tyres? Diff lock on / off?

I think you and Tim might need reading or comprehension lessons. I just said that I'm not going back over 20 pages of posts. Post your question or move on. Comprende?

Struggling to read, Tim, or is it a comprehension problem? I think you'll find that it's fight for your rights on both sides. When it's about cars - what's wrong with using a public road if you're not causing any damage? Shall we shut the M1? When it's about walkers - if I saw 200 walkers in...