Wheel shake

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TonyB

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I'd welcome the groups advice on this one:

'92 Disco I Tdi 200:

At 65mph the steering wheel shakes and rattles dangerously. The whole front
of the car rattles like a shopping trolley, steering is difficult. It does
this if I hit a small bump which seems to set it oscillating.

Here's the history:

New springs shocks and damper recently.
All tyres are pretty new.
Wheels balanced.
Fronts put to rear, balanced again.
Tracking OK.
Mechanics have checked steering joints and pre-loads ( twice at my
insistence!) -all OK.

When I had the fronts balanced one required 90g of correction but the
problem was the same. When I swapped the fronts and rears over there was no
change but when I balanced the fronts there was a very very slight
improvement in that it requires a slightly bigger bump to set it off. I'm
not sure if the front left and right were swapped when the balanced it or
not.

Oddly, there was a slight change of the position of the steering wheel when
the fronts went to the back. The steering wheel requires being set slightly
off centre to the right to drive straight.

Any thoughts?

TonyB

The tyres originally on the front were Pirelli Scorpio's and the original
rears are Kwikfits own brand.


 
On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 12:44:35 +0000 (UTC), "TonyB"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I'd welcome the groups advice on this one:
>
>'92 Disco I Tdi 200:
>
>At 65mph the steering wheel shakes and rattles dangerously. The whole front
>of the car rattles like a shopping trolley, steering is difficult. It does
>this if I hit a small bump which seems to set it oscillating.
>
>Here's the history:
>
>New springs shocks and damper recently.
>All tyres are pretty new.
>Wheels balanced.
>Fronts put to rear, balanced again.
>Tracking OK.
>Mechanics have checked steering joints and pre-loads ( twice at my
>insistence!) -all OK.
>
>When I had the fronts balanced one required 90g of correction but the
>problem was the same. When I swapped the fronts and rears over there was no
>change but when I balanced the fronts there was a very very slight
>improvement in that it requires a slightly bigger bump to set it off. I'm
>not sure if the front left and right were swapped when the balanced it or
>not.
>
>Oddly, there was a slight change of the position of the steering wheel when
>the fronts went to the back. The steering wheel requires being set slightly
>off centre to the right to drive straight.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>TonyB
>
>The tyres originally on the front were Pirelli Scorpio's and the original
>rears are Kwikfits own brand.
>

Was the steering damper primed properly before fitting?

Not being funny, but my next move would be to go to a different garage
and have the wheel bearings and pre-load done again. The symptoms
sound bang on for pre-load.
--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'03 Volvo V70
 
Check panard rod bushes, I had this prob, felt like the motor was gonna fall
apart and it was down to this.

Regards, Roy.

"TonyB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'd welcome the groups advice on this one:
>
> '92 Disco I Tdi 200:
>
> At 65mph the steering wheel shakes and rattles dangerously. The whole
> front
> of the car rattles like a shopping trolley, steering is difficult. It does
> this if I hit a small bump which seems to set it oscillating.
>
> Here's the history:
>
> New springs shocks and damper recently.
> All tyres are pretty new.
> Wheels balanced.
> Fronts put to rear, balanced again.
> Tracking OK.
> Mechanics have checked steering joints and pre-loads ( twice at my
> insistence!) -all OK.
>
> When I had the fronts balanced one required 90g of correction but the
> problem was the same. When I swapped the fronts and rears over there was
> no
> change but when I balanced the fronts there was a very very slight
> improvement in that it requires a slightly bigger bump to set it off. I'm
> not sure if the front left and right were swapped when the balanced it or
> not.
>
> Oddly, there was a slight change of the position of the steering wheel
> when
> the fronts went to the back. The steering wheel requires being set
> slightly
> off centre to the right to drive straight.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> TonyB
>
> The tyres originally on the front were Pirelli Scorpio's and the original
> rears are Kwikfits own brand.
>
>


 

"TonyB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'd welcome the groups advice on this one:
>
> '92 Disco I Tdi 200:
>
> At 65mph the steering wheel shakes and rattles dangerously. The whole
> front
> of the car rattles like a shopping trolley, steering is difficult. It does
> this if I hit a small bump which seems to set it oscillating.
>
> Here's the history:
>
> New springs shocks and damper recently.
> All tyres are pretty new.
> Wheels balanced.
> Fronts put to rear, balanced again.
> Tracking OK.
> Mechanics have checked steering joints and pre-loads ( twice at my
> insistence!) -all OK.
>
> When I had the fronts balanced one required 90g of correction but the
> problem was the same. When I swapped the fronts and rears over there was
> no
> change but when I balanced the fronts there was a very very slight
> improvement in that it requires a slightly bigger bump to set it off. I'm
> not sure if the front left and right were swapped when the balanced it or
> not.
>
> Oddly, there was a slight change of the position of the steering wheel
> when
> the fronts went to the back. The steering wheel requires being set
> slightly
> off centre to the right to drive straight.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> TonyB
>
> The tyres originally on the front were Pirelli Scorpio's and the original
> rears are Kwikfits own brand.
>
>

I know you said you replaced it already but...

sound like the steering damper is bad. As another poster noted re-prime the
damper.


 
I had this on a 1950's truck with no steering damper found it to be worn out
king pin bearings changed these and it was spot on..back to normal

Rich


 
Tim Hobbs wrote:

>
> Was the steering damper primed properly before fitting?

I'm just about to fit a new one to my 110, whats the exact priming procedure please??

--
Subaru WRX
Landrover 110 County Station Wagon (Tyson)
WTB a clean RRC pref 3.9 or LSE 4.2

'"gimme the f*ckin' money"


 

"TonyB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'd welcome the groups advice on this one:
>
> '92 Disco I Tdi 200:
>
> At 65mph the steering wheel shakes and rattles dangerously. The whole
> front
> of the car rattles like a shopping trolley, steering is difficult. It does
> this if I hit a small bump which seems to set it oscillating.
>
> Here's the history:
>
> New springs shocks and damper recently.
> All tyres are pretty new.
> Wheels balanced.
> Fronts put to rear, balanced again.
> Tracking OK.
> Mechanics have checked steering joints and pre-loads ( twice at my
> insistence!) -all OK.

I had the same problem on my TDI, changed the same parts as you!

Had a chat with the dealer, who suggested even if they are tight, just nip
all the bolt's up on the steering shaft. Sure enough, don't know why but it
cured it..


 
> I had the same problem on my TDI, changed the same parts as you!
>
> Had a chat with the dealer, who suggested even if they are tight, just nip
> all the bolt's up on the steering shaft. Sure enough, don't know why but
it
> cured it..


Thanks to all - the steering damper was not primed - at least not by me - it
seemed to be OK so I just fitted it.
Perhaps you could say what the priming procedure is please?

As for steering column nuts, well it sounds amazing but I'll give it a go -
it won't hurt and may even work!

My money was on the pre-loads as suggested but when the dealer says they're
OK it's hard to know if he's actually checked them!

Thanks again

TonyB


 
Nige wrote:
> Tim Hobbs wrote:
>
>
>>Was the steering damper primed properly before fitting?
>
>
> I'm just about to fit a new one to my 110, whats the exact priming procedure please??

Have it in a vertical orientation and move it back and forth thru it's
full travel until it moves smoothly.

--
EMB
 
"EMB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Have it in a vertical orientation and move it back and forth thru it's
> full travel until it moves smoothly.
>
> --
> EMB

Reminds me of a Nike advert.... someone will be along with a link to it
inner min.


Lee D


 
TonyB wrote:


>
> Oddly, there was a slight change of the position of the steering wheel
> when the fronts went to the back. The steering wheel requires being set
> slightly off centre to the right to drive straight.
>

I had a similar experience during the summer, although without the shaking.

I only took off both front wheels (thus lifting the front) to de-rust them
and when I put them back on (possibly with a right-left change) I noticed
that it was pulling one way with the steering wheel way off centre. Note
that nothing else was done to it. After a few 100 miles of travelling, I
passed on a bump perpendicular to the direction of travel at about 60mph
(on a crap motorway north of France) and it all suddenly went back to
normal.

I had it checked in an MOT place I know there where they have all the
equipment to detect play in the wheel setting but they couldn't find
anything.

Would that be similar?

Cheers,

Fred

 
>
> I had it checked in an MOT place I know there where they have all the
> equipment to detect play in the wheel setting but they couldn't find
> anything.
>
> Would that be similar?

It would Fred. I wonder if a spring is compressed or something? Anyway, had
a look tonight, tried to examine wheels for anything out of shape but
nothing. So I've put the spare on the front offside, for no other reason
than that's the easiest side to jack up. I'll give it a whizz tomorrow and
report back.

TonyB


 
TonyB wrote:

>>
>> I had it checked in an MOT place I know there where they have all the
>> equipment to detect play in the wheel setting but they couldn't find
>> anything.
>>
>> Would that be similar?
>
> It would Fred. I wonder if a spring is compressed or something?

Or moving on its seat? I could have moved when jacking it up one side at a
time. But then, the same would happen when off-roading, except that in
that case all sorts of motion take place, cancelling each other.

I'll have a look next time I go under it, which should happen soon, as soon
as I have a grease gun.

Fred

 
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