V8 noise on startup

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StaffBull

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• Jan 4, 2005

• #1

I have picked up the V8 ES I bought on eBay today. (1996 3.9 LPG).
I started the engine from stone cold and there was a "rattle" from the
engine. I let it run for three or four minutes and it went away - I'm no
mechanic ( I bought it anyway!!!) is this likely to be the followers? and if
so what would they cost to replace ? I then drove the car from Northampton
to Anglesey only stopping once for LPG, and it drove fine, there is a one
year old LPG kit on it, cost the guy £1500 - I got the car for £4300 it's
done 109K
All electrics work apart from the aircon - possibly a ragas? as the light
on the dash comes on ( not important until summer -if we get one!!)
and the cruise control does not work - no rush to fix that, but if there is
any easy things to look for I'll have a go!!

any pointers on the above very greatly appreciated.

 

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Badger

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• Jan 5, 2005

• #2

"StaffBull" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I have picked up the V8 ES I bought on eBay today. (1996 3.9 LPG).
> I started the engine from stone cold and there was a "rattle" from the
> engine. I let it run for three or four minutes and it went away - I'm no
> mechanic ( I bought it anyway!!!) is this likely to be the followers?

Yes.

> and if so what would they cost to replace ?

Followers, £47. Plus a cam, gaskets and labour. False economy to throw a set
at a used camshaft. FWIW, my own 110 tends to sit for weeks at a time and it
always gives a little tappet rattle on cold startup, has done for years,
since the fully rebuilt 4.0 went in!

> I then drove the car from Northampton to Anglesey only stopping once for
> LPG, and it drove fine, there is a one year old LPG kit on it, cost the
> guy £1500 - I got the car for £4300 it's done 109K
> All electrics work apart from the aircon - possibly a ragas?

Take it you mean re-gas? Yep, that might well do it. Might need a new
receiver-drier unit if its not had gas in it for a while, they tend not to
work afterwards for some reason.

> as the light on the dash comes on ( not important until summer -if we get
> one!!)
> and the cruise control does not work - no rush to fix that, but if there
> is any easy things to look for I'll have a go!!

Check for split and perished vacuum hoses to the cruise control vacuum
modulator that's connected via a rod to the throttle linkage. Common fault.
have fun,
Badger.

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Jan 5, 2005

• #3

On or around Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:07:23 -0000, "StaffBull"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>I have picked up the V8 ES I bought on eBay today. (1996 3.9 LPG).
> I started the engine from stone cold and there was a "rattle" from the
>engine. I let it run for three or four minutes and it went away - I'm no
>mechanic ( I bought it anyway!!!) is this likely to be the followers? and if
>so what would they cost to replace ? I then drove the car from Northampton
>to Anglesey only stopping once for LPG, and it drove fine, there is a one
>year old LPG kit on it, cost the guy £1500 - I got the car for £4300 it's
>done 109K

has it been standing for a while? If so, it's likely that the hydraulic
tappets had drained. the fact that the noise went away is good...

if it does it every time you start it, then you might want to look into it.

sounds good. what was the eBay item number, so we can have a look at it?

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Would to God that we might spend a single day really well!"
Thomas À Kempis (1380 - 1471) Imitation of Christ, I.xxiii.

 

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StaffBull

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• Jan 5, 2005

• #4

Hi Austin, it's this one
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4514861487&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT

It's immaculate apart from the usual bubbles on the back door ( to be taken
care of once the engines sorted) the LPG conversion runs great even though
it's a single point system (Leonardo) cheap as chips as they say!!

The engine does the "rattle" on start-up from cold every time but goes once
the engine has warmed up! knowing my luck it's buggered - but I don't mind
spending £1500 - £2K on the engine to get it sorted as it really is in first
class condition on the outside and if I would have needed to fit LPG that
would have set me back more than a grand anyway. I'll take it to the place
I've serviced the 300Tdi and see what they think.


"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:07:23 -0000, "StaffBull"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>I have picked up the V8 ES I bought on eBay today. (1996 3.9 LPG).
>> I started the engine from stone cold and there was a "rattle" from the
>>engine. I let it run for three or four minutes and it went away - I'm no
>>mechanic ( I bought it anyway!!!) is this likely to be the followers? and
>>if
>>so what would they cost to replace ? I then drove the car from Northampton
>>to Anglesey only stopping once for LPG, and it drove fine, there is a one
>>year old LPG kit on it, cost the guy £1500 - I got the car for £4300 it's
>>done 109K
>
> has it been standing for a while? If so, it's likely that the hydraulic
> tappets had drained. the fact that the noise went away is good...
>
> if it does it every time you start it, then you might want to look into
> it.
>
> sounds good. what was the eBay item number, so we can have a look at it?
>
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
> "Would to God that we might spend a single day really well!"
> Thomas À Kempis (1380 - 1471) Imitation of Christ, I.xxiii.

 

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StaffBull

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• Jan 5, 2005

• #5

Cheers, I've just sorted everything on the 300TDi disco I have and now I buy
this one - must be mad, but bloody hell do I like it., big motorized sofa
with all the toys!!


"Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "StaffBull" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>I have picked up the V8 ES I bought on eBay today. (1996 3.9 LPG).
>> I started the engine from stone cold and there was a "rattle" from the
>> engine. I let it run for three or four minutes and it went away - I'm no
>> mechanic ( I bought it anyway!!!) is this likely to be the followers?
>
> Yes.
>
>> and if so what would they cost to replace ?
>
> Followers, £47. Plus a cam, gaskets and labour. False economy to throw a
> set at a used camshaft. FWIW, my own 110 tends to sit for weeks at a time
> and it always gives a little tappet rattle on cold startup, has done for
> years, since the fully rebuilt 4.0 went in!
>
>> I then drove the car from Northampton to Anglesey only stopping once for
>> LPG, and it drove fine, there is a one year old LPG kit on it, cost the
>> guy £1500 - I got the car for £4300 it's done 109K
>> All electrics work apart from the aircon - possibly a ragas?
>
> Take it you mean re-gas? Yep, that might well do it. Might need a new
> receiver-drier unit if its not had gas in it for a while, they tend not to
> work afterwards for some reason.
>
>> as the light on the dash comes on ( not important until summer -if we get
>> one!!)
>> and the cruise control does not work - no rush to fix that, but if there
>> is any easy things to look for I'll have a go!!
>
> Check for split and perished vacuum hoses to the cruise control vacuum
> modulator that's connected via a rod to the throttle linkage. Common
> fault.
> have fun,
> Badger.
>

 

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Richard

Guest

• Jan 5, 2005

• #6

On the cruise control is a vacuum operated actuator on the throttle. Its
likely that pipe has split where it pushes on. It happens on ours about
twice a year. Also we had a split on the T piece thats behind the washer
bottle. Cut an inch off and its fine, (tubing getting short now!! lol).
Air con: could try a regas. When we had ours done they didnt put enough in
so it was not as cold as it should have been, regassed again and its fine.
You may need a new drier, we had to have one on a Carlton a few years ago.
It was cheaper to buy it from sercks rather than Vauxhall.
Tapping noise: could be cam followers, if it runs fine and goes away every
time I wouldnt bother too much - at least for now
Richard


"StaffBull" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I have picked up the V8 ES I bought on eBay today. (1996 3.9 LPG).
> I started the engine from stone cold and there was a "rattle" from the
> engine. I let it run for three or four minutes and it went away - I'm no
> mechanic ( I bought it anyway!!!) is this likely to be the followers? and
> if so what would they cost to replace ? I then drove the car from
> Northampton to Anglesey only stopping once for LPG, and it drove fine,
> there is a one year old LPG kit on it, cost the guy £1500 - I got the car
> for £4300 it's done 109K
> All electrics work apart from the aircon - possibly a ragas? as the light
> on the dash comes on ( not important until summer -if we get one!!)
> and the cruise control does not work - no rush to fix that, but if there
> is any easy things to look for I'll have a go!!
>
> any pointers on the above very greatly appreciated.
>

 

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Austin Shackles

Guest

• Jan 6, 2005

• #7

On or around Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:06:11 -0000, "StaffBull"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Hi Austin, it's this one
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4514861487&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT
>
> It's immaculate apart from the usual bubbles on the back door ( to be taken
>care of once the engines sorted) the LPG conversion runs great even though
>it's a single point system (Leonardo) cheap as chips as they say!!
>
> The engine does the "rattle" on start-up from cold every time but goes once
>the engine has warmed up! knowing my luck it's buggered - but I don't mind
>spending £1500 - £2K on the engine to get it sorted as it really is in first
>class condition on the outside and if I would have needed to fit LPG that
>would have set me back more than a grand anyway. I'll take it to the place
>I've serviced the 300Tdi and see what they think.

If it pulls OK and runs smoothly, I'd leave it, apart from making sure it's
serviced regularly with decent oil.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
Blue: The sky is blue for a reason. Blue light is a source of strength
and harmony in the cosmos. Create a blue light in your life by
telephoning the police
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

 

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StaffBull

Guest

• Jan 6, 2005

• #8

Hi Austin, I think I might just take you're advice - it seems to be running
fine apart from the start-up rattle ( but it did not happen today !) and I
will start on renewing the suspension as they are all original components.

I am thinking of lifting the car 1" when renewing the shocks & springs,
there are a few complete kits out in landy mag world for around £400 are
these OK or would it be better to get branded more expensive items, it's
only going to be used for some gentle to mild greenlaning - I would hate to
bend it !! ( incoming flames!!! )

Cheers - and still grinning


"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:06:11 -0000, "StaffBull"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Hi Austin, it's this one
>>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4514861487&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT
>>
>> It's immaculate apart from the usual bubbles on the back door ( to be
>> taken
>>care of once the engines sorted) the LPG conversion runs great even though
>>it's a single point system (Leonardo) cheap as chips as they say!!
>>
>> The engine does the "rattle" on start-up from cold every time but goes
>> once
>>the engine has warmed up! knowing my luck it's buggered - but I don't mind
>>spending £1500 - £2K on the engine to get it sorted as it really is in
>>first
>>class condition on the outside and if I would have needed to fit LPG that
>>would have set me back more than a grand anyway. I'll take it to the place
>>I've serviced the 300Tdi and see what they think.
>
> If it pulls OK and runs smoothly, I'd leave it, apart from making sure
> it's
> serviced regularly with decent oil.
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
> Blue: The sky is blue for a reason. Blue light is a source of strength
> and harmony in the cosmos. Create a blue light in your life by
> telephoning the police
> from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

 

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Austin Shackles

Guest

• Jan 7, 2005

• #9

On or around Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:53:30 -0000, "StaffBull"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

> I am thinking of lifting the car 1" when renewing the shocks & springs,
>there are a few complete kits out in landy mag world for around £400 are
>these OK or would it be better to get branded more expensive items, it's
>only going to be used for some gentle to mild greenlaning - I would hate to
>bend it !! ( incoming flames!!! )

to be honest, what I did to mine was to fit RR diesel HD springs, (the
lesser of the 2 types, NRC2119 or somesuch number) and HD 90 rears. The
rears required a 1" spacer on the axle as they turn out to be pretty much
the same as standard disco rear, for which I couldn't get data.

if you google a bit you can probably find some messages about it. Since
then it's been treated to some of David "Llama" 's nice 1" lowered front
turrets which should restore normal travel but more to the point passed the
MOT.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"My centre is giving way, my right is in retreat; situation excellent.
I shall attack. - Marshal Foch (1851 - 1929)

 

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Austin Shackles

Guest

• Jan 7, 2005

• #10

On or around Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:29:28 +0000, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On or around Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:53:30 -0000, "StaffBull"
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>to be honest, what I did to mine was to fit RR diesel HD springs, (the
>lesser of the 2 types, NRC2119 or somesuch number) and HD 90 rears. The
>rears required a 1" spacer on the axle as they turn out to be pretty much
>the same as standard disco rear, for which I couldn't get data.
>
>if you google a bit you can probably find some messages about it. Since
>then it's been treated to some of David "Llama" 's nice 1" lowered front
>turrets which should restore normal travel but more to the point passed the
>MOT.

I suspect it ought to have modified rear damper mounts as well, but it
hasn't got 'em. I expect Llama do them, as well.



--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then
something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination -
we learned to talk." Pink Floyd (1994)

 

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StaffBull

Guest

• Jan 7, 2005

• #11

It's booked in to my 4 X 4 specialist for a full service and a suspension
kit £650 in all.
open wallet surgery here we come - but I love this car!!!



"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:29:28 +0000, Austin Shackles
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>On or around Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:53:30 -0000, "StaffBull"
>><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>to be honest, what I did to mine was to fit RR diesel HD springs, (the
>>lesser of the 2 types, NRC2119 or somesuch number) and HD 90 rears. The
>>rears required a 1" spacer on the axle as they turn out to be pretty much
>>the same as standard disco rear, for which I couldn't get data.
>>
>>if you google a bit you can probably find some messages about it. Since
>>then it's been treated to some of David "Llama" 's nice 1" lowered front
>>turrets which should restore normal travel but more to the point passed
>>the
>>MOT.
>
> I suspect it ought to have modified rear damper mounts as well, but it
> hasn't got 'em. I expect Llama do them, as well.
>
>
>
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
> "For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then
> something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination -
> we learned to talk." Pink Floyd (1994)