USA convert to LPG?

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Does anyone know if it is possible to convert a Land Rover Discovery I
from a gas engine to run on LPG? If so, how much would it roughly
cost? Is there a kit for something like this?

Thanks

 
On or around 27 Jul 2006 10:07:19 -0700, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Does anyone know if it is possible to convert a Land Rover Discovery I
>from a gas engine to run on LPG? If so, how much would it roughly
>cost? Is there a kit for something like this?


plenty of kits this side of the pond - http://www.chrisperfect.com for a
good but not cheap (UK) supplier.

I don't know whether you have legislative hassle about it over there, though
- might be.

Jeeze, gas must really be starting to go up if people are thinking it's
worth converting to propane. welcome, USA, to the real world...

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine... War is hell"
Gen. Sherman (1820-1891) Attr. words in Address at Michigan Military
Academy, 19 June 1879.
 
"Jeeze, gas must really be starting to go up if people are thinking
it's
worth converting to propane. welcome, USA, to the real world... "

I live in Seattle which is MUCH greener than the rest of the country in
terms of acceptance of alternative fuels and cars that run them.

Thanks

 
[email protected] wrote:
> "Jeeze, gas must really be starting to go up if people are thinking
> it's
> worth converting to propane. welcome, USA, to the real world... "
>
> I live in Seattle which is MUCH greener than the rest of the
> country in terms of acceptance of alternative fuels and cars that
> run them.
>
> Thanks


Hey, you gave us Pearl Jam & Nirvana, i'm not moaning!!

Nige


 

"Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] wrote:
>> "Jeeze, gas must really be starting to go up if people are thinking
>> it's
>> worth converting to propane. welcome, USA, to the real world... "
>>
>> I live in Seattle which is MUCH greener than the rest of the
>> country in terms of acceptance of alternative fuels and cars that
>> run them.
>>
>> Thanks

>
> Hey, you gave us Pearl Jam & Nirvana, i'm not moaning!!
>
> Nige

Guns and Roses, Gretchen Wilson, ZZ Top ( doesnt quite work as Zed Zed Top )
and my own Vicky from K-zoo LPG you want it ? only too happy to oblige
http://www.v8engines.com/faq-lpg.htm
http://www.navitron.org.uk/autogas.htm
Hope this help
Derek


 
Derek wrote:
> "Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> "Jeeze, gas must really be starting to go up if people are
>>> thinking it's
>>> worth converting to propane. welcome, USA, to the real world... "
>>>
>>> I live in Seattle which is MUCH greener than the rest of the
>>> country in terms of acceptance of alternative fuels and cars that
>>> run them.
>>>
>>> Thanks

>>
>> Hey, you gave us Pearl Jam & Nirvana, i'm not moaning!!
>>
>> Nige

> Guns and Roses, Gretchen Wilson, ZZ Top ( doesnt quite work as Zed
> Zed Top ) and my own Vicky from K-zoo LPG you want it ? only too
> happy to oblige http://www.v8engines.com/faq-lpg.htm
> http://www.navitron.org.uk/autogas.htm
> Hope this help
> Derek


I meant seattle, not just the USA matey!!!


 
On or around 27 Jul 2006 11:14:49 -0700, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>"Jeeze, gas must really be starting to go up if people are thinking
>it's
>worth converting to propane. welcome, USA, to the real world... "
>
>I live in Seattle which is MUCH greener than the rest of the country in
>terms of acceptance of alternative fuels and cars that run them.


fair enough. I don't actually know if there's a similar cost advantage, as
there is in this country - my comments were wide-angle and aimed generally,
not at you personally.

Mind you, propane is still fossil fuel. The emissions should be a bit
better, and it's more effective use of the oil to use more of it for
transport, seeing as that's a major use. The old days of flaring off gas
from oil wells and refineries 'cos it was no use are, I think, now gone.

I'm afraid what we (and that's all of us) need is to re-adjust the way the
world works, so as to use less energy. The amount of energy used, for
example, to move people from place to place so they can sit at a computer
all day someplace else is much greater than the energy used to move a bunch
of electrons so that it's the data, not the people, that move around.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Festina Lente" (Hasten slowly) Suetonius (c.70-c.140) Augustus, 25
 
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:44:18 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:


> ...
> I'm afraid what we (and that's all of us) need is to re-adjust the way
> the
> world works, so as to use less energy. The amount of energy used, for
> example, to move people from place to place so they can sit at a computer
> all day someplace else is much greater than the energy used to move a
> bunch
> of electrons so that it's the data, not the people, that move around.


not just people - it's things too.

The local supermarket feels it necessary to display more than one type of
passion fruit FFS.

I like them, the family like them, but are they necessary as a supermarket
commodity? It'd be a tough case to make IMO.

--
William Tasso

Land Rover - 110 V8
Discovery - V8
 
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:39:20 +0100, "William Tasso"
<[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:

>On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:44:18 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> ...
>> I'm afraid what we (and that's all of us) need is to re-adjust the way
>> the
>> world works, so as to use less energy. The amount of energy used, for
>> example, to move people from place to place so they can sit at a computer
>> all day someplace else is much greater than the energy used to move a
>> bunch
>> of electrons so that it's the data, not the people, that move around.

>
>not just people - it's things too.
>
>The local supermarket feels it necessary to display more than one type of
>passion fruit FFS.
>
>I like them, the family like them, but are they necessary as a supermarket
>commodity? It'd be a tough case to make IMO.


Had a wonderful case study at uni. Watched fresh fish being landed at
Brixham in Devon, then it got transported to a fish market in London,
the following day it came back to Newton Abbot to be processed and
then sent to the depot (Bristol) before being transported back to
Newton Abbot. Took nearly 700 miles for a piece of fish to go just 10
miles down down the road......

Happens all over the country, with regionalised distribution centres
for the supermarkets, etc.

We have now started to do our bit, growing all our own food and our
own chickens. Tastes so much better as well......
--

Simon Isaacs

"Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote"
George Jean Nathan (1882-1955)

ROT13 me....
 
Simon Isaacs wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:39:20 +0100, "William Tasso"
> <[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:44:18 +0100, Austin Shackles
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> ...
>>> I'm afraid what we (and that's all of us) need is to re-adjust the
>>> way the
>>> world works, so as to use less energy. The amount of energy used,
>>> for example, to move people from place to place so they can sit at
>>> a computer all day someplace else is much greater than the energy
>>> used to move a bunch
>>> of electrons so that it's the data, not the people, that move
>>> around.

>>
>> not just people - it's things too.
>>
>> The local supermarket feels it necessary to display more than one
>> type of passion fruit FFS.
>>
>> I like them, the family like them, but are they necessary as a
>> supermarket commodity? It'd be a tough case to make IMO.

>
> Had a wonderful case study at uni. Watched fresh fish being landed at
> Brixham in Devon, then it got transported to a fish market in London,
> the following day it came back to Newton Abbot to be processed and
> then sent to the depot (Bristol) before being transported back to
> Newton Abbot. Took nearly 700 miles for a piece of fish to go just 10
> miles down down the road......
>
> Happens all over the country, with regionalised distribution centres
> for the supermarkets, etc.
>
> We have now started to do our bit, growing all our own food and our
> own chickens. Tastes so much better as well......


but can it swim and breath through its ears?

--
"He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to interrupt
her doing it."

If the answer is offensive maybe the question was inappropriate

The fiend of my fiend is my enema!


 
On or around Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:39:20 +0100, "William Tasso"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:44:18 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> ...
>> I'm afraid what we (and that's all of us) need is to re-adjust the way
>> the
>> world works, so as to use less energy. The amount of energy used, for
>> example, to move people from place to place so they can sit at a computer
>> all day someplace else is much greater than the energy used to move a
>> bunch
>> of electrons so that it's the data, not the people, that move around.

>
>not just people - it's things too.
>
>The local supermarket feels it necessary to display more than one type of
>passion fruit FFS.
>
>I like them, the family like them, but are they necessary as a supermarket
>commodity? It'd be a tough case to make IMO.


It's very hard to make a case for having more than one kind.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"The breezy call of incense-breathing Morn, The swallow twittering
from the strawbuilt shed, The cock's shrill clarion, or the echoing
horn, No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed."
Thomas Gray, Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard.
 
On or around Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:13:01 +0100, Simon Isaacs
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Had a wonderful case study at uni. Watched fresh fish being landed at
>Brixham in Devon, then it got transported to a fish market in London,
>the following day it came back to Newton Abbot to be processed and
>then sent to the depot (Bristol) before being transported back to
>Newton Abbot. Took nearly 700 miles for a piece of fish to go just 10
>miles down down the road......


we used to get similar answers at the organic food place in Lampeter. I
have personally loaded stuff onto the wagon to be taken to the co-op's RDC
in Highbridge, Soemrset, and have seen the same produce on the shelves in
the co-op in Lampeter.

However, silly as this sounds when you look at the fact that someone could
walk half a mile down the road with a trolley, you have to have the
distribution network. The most-silly bit in your example is the distance
from where the fish is caught to where it's processed. There's a good
argument for more processing, closer to the source, rather than centralised
processing. The distribution of product to the shops though isn't so
inefficient as such examples make it look: taking the example of the organic
veg, say: each supermarket takes a relatively small amount and this could
be carried on for example a ford fiesta van, rather as part of a pallet on a
38-tonner. But although this would be cheaper for one or two local
supermarkets, it doesn't scale well - if there are, for example, 100 Tesco
supermarkets and each sends its own ford fiesta to Lampeter (or wherever
they're now based) to fetch the organic veg that's 100 vans on the road -
the average MPG is going to be about 0.5...

similar arguments if you compare a transit carrying say 1.5 tons with a
38-tonner carrying say 19.5 tons - that's 13 transit-fulls - even if your
transit does 40 mpg (which they don't) that translates to about 3 mpg, and a
modern artic does at least 3 times that on the average. So having all the
stuff on one wagon makes sense.

>Happens all over the country, with regionalised distribution centres
>for the supermarkets, etc.
>
>We have now started to do our bit, growing all our own food and our
>own chickens. Tastes so much better as well......


That's a good solution where it can be done. however local grown produce
ain't gonna work in London, or Birmingham, or the Liverpool-Manchester area
or at least a dozen other major centres - too many people, not enough local
growing capacity.


What we can and should do is a good deal less shipping of food around the
world. Accept that in the winter, we can't have fresh strawberries and
suchlike, that some things have a season in which they're available. The
classic case I read recently is flowers - Roses flown in from Columbia,
greenery to go with 'em from Israel I think it was. Madness. I like pretty
flowers fine, but to fly tons of them round the world so they can be put in
a vase and then thrown away in a few days really is decadent.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
 
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:41:39 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:13:01 +0100, Simon Isaacs
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>> ...
>> Happens all over the country, with regionalised distribution centres
>> for the supermarkets, etc.
>>
>> We have now started to do our bit, growing all our own food and our
>> own chickens. Tastes so much better as well......

>
> That's a good solution where it can be done. however local grown produce
> ain't gonna work in London, or Birmingham, or the Liverpool-Manchester
> area
> or at least a dozen other major centres - too many people, not enough
> local
> growing capacity.


London has plenty capacity close by - there's no need to ship in commodity
items from afar.

> What we can and should do is a good deal less shipping of food around the
> world. Accept that in the winter, we can't have fresh strawberries and
> suchlike, that some things have a season in which they're available.


Exacly my point. Seasonably available food also contributes to a sense of
time and place.

--
William Tasso

Land Rover - 110 V8
Discovery - V8
 


Austin's observations make a lot of sense. But the real problem is big
business and the temporary delusions of utterly shallow green eyed
humans, that pure capitalism must be the ultimate solution to
humanities problems because it won out over the greater evil of
Stalinism. The fuel cell was invented in the 19th century FFS, by now it
should have been so well developed that motor vehicles would be doing
the equivalent of 150 mpg on oil based fuels or even better, be running
on 100% clean hydrogen extracted from water by means of solar power.
Heck the Swiss achieved this in 2002, what the f..k happened to that?
The old Cutty Sark and Thermopile (?) could sail faster than most modern
container ships (over 30 knots) and since then technology has developed
large and efficient sailing rigs that could provide virtually fuel free
global shipping. The main reason we don't have any of these innovations
is the oil companies, whose public pretence of supporting 'alternative
technology' ( investing less than a half of one percent of profit) is a
damned evil lie. Consider that big oil, vehicle manufacturing and
associated business represents well over a quarter of the entire global
economic product (including the financial business sector), these are
powerful forces, heck they even own the president of the USA right now.

And by the way, there's no shortage of oil, it's just a profiteering
scam, the Earth is literally floating on it, the problem is, can our
environment afford to burn it all?
--
John Lubran
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

|| On or around Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:39:20 +0100, "William Tasso"
|| <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

||| The local supermarket feels it necessary to display more than one
||| type of passion fruit FFS.

|| It's very hard to make a case for having more than one kind.

I can see a case for not having them at all. We've just spent a couple of
weeks in France and Italy and had some great food, but TBH most of it can be
had in the local supermarket these days. Where's the fun in going abroad?
The money's all the same (sterling excepted), the food's the same, the last
few weeks even the weather's been the same. I blame New Labour.

Seriously, all this international shipping is homogenising the world, which
might have its advantages, but is a shame in other ways.

--
Rich
==============================

I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one.


 

news:[email protected]...
> Derek wrote:
>> "Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>> "Jeeze, gas must really be starting to go up if people are
>>>> thinking it's
>>>> worth converting to propane. welcome, USA, to the real world... "
>>>>
>>>> I live in Seattle which is MUCH greener than the rest of the
>>>> country in terms of acceptance of alternative fuels and cars that
>>>> run them.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Hey, you gave us Pearl Jam & Nirvana, i'm not moaning!!
>>>
>>> Nige

>> Guns and Roses, Gretchen Wilson, ZZ Top ( doesnt quite work as Zed
>> Zed Top ) and my own Vicky from K-zoo LPG you want it ? only too
>> happy to oblige http://www.v8engines.com/faq-lpg.htm
>> http://www.navitron.org.uk/autogas.htm
>> Hope this help
>> Derek

> "Nige" wrote in message I meant seattle, not just the USA matey!!!


Se'attle isn't that in Yorkshire Nige?
Derek


 

"William Tasso" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eek:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:41:39 +0100, Austin Shackles
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On or around Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:13:01 +0100, Simon Isaacs
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>> ...
>>> Happens all over the country, with regionalised distribution centres
>>> for the supermarkets, etc.
>>>
>>> We have now started to do our bit, growing all our own food and our
>>> own chickens. Tastes so much better as well......

>>
>> That's a good solution where it can be done. however local grown produce
>> ain't gonna work in London, or Birmingham, or the Liverpool-Manchester
>> area
>> or at least a dozen other major centres - too many people, not enough
>> local
>> growing capacity.

>
> London has plenty capacity close by - there's no need to ship in commodity
> items from afar.
>
>> What we can and should do is a good deal less shipping of food around the
>> world. Accept that in the winter, we can't have fresh strawberries and
>> suchlike, that some things have a season in which they're available.

>
> Exacly my point. Seasonably available food also contributes to a sense of
> time and place.
>
> --
> William Tasso
>
> Land Rover - 110 V8
> Discovery - V8


Will you might want to avail yourself of the Farmers weekly free sticker in
support of the Local food campaign
http://www.fwi.co.uk/gr/foodmiles/poster.html Kato sports one ( slightly
nibbled ) top centre of the windscreen.
Derek


 
In message <[email protected]>,
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> writes
>Does anyone know if it is possible to convert a Land Rover Discovery I
>from a gas engine to run on LPG? If so, how much would it roughly
>cost? Is there a kit for something like this?
>
>Thanks
>

There are 2 US companies who supply equipment suitable for your engine.
Impco (which I run on my own Defender V8) and another one which I can
never remember how to spell - Nolfs, Nolfes, Nolffe Nolffes etc etc.

The mixers are variable geometry and virtually identical, the one being
a spin off from the other.

You can run them quite happily open loop, but last time I looked Impco
were more advanced with a closed loop version which will give better
emission control. A 200 series mixer is perfectly adequate.
--
hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting
 

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:13:01 +0100, Simon Isaacs
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>

> What we can and should do is a good deal less shipping of food around the
> world. Accept that in the winter, we can't have fresh strawberries and
> suchlike, that some things have a season in which they're available. The
> classic case I read recently is flowers - Roses flown in from Columbia,
> greenery to go with 'em from Israel I think it was. Madness. I like
> pretty
> flowers fine, but to fly tons of them round the world so they can be put
> in
> a vase and then thrown away in a few days really is decadent.
>
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> "Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
> Boswell's "Johnson"

I would like to point out that the planes are going to these places anyway.
Where you have 747s and the like landing at these places, the cargo space is
massive and it is the job of the local Air Cargo rep to sell this space and
help the profitability of his airline. There are not many true cargo only
planes and the cargo staff will make sure it flies full. Frequently the
airports that don't have wide bodied planes landing there will truck the
stuff to an airport that does. A lot of the places in Europe will truck the
cargo into England as air cargo!.
Alan


 
On or around Sat, 29 Jul 2006 06:56:40 +0100, "Roberts" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>
>"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On or around Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:13:01 +0100, Simon Isaacs
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>

>> What we can and should do is a good deal less shipping of food around the
>> world. Accept that in the winter, we can't have fresh strawberries and
>> suchlike, that some things have a season in which they're available. The
>> classic case I read recently is flowers - Roses flown in from Columbia,
>> greenery to go with 'em from Israel I think it was. Madness. I like
>> pretty
>> flowers fine, but to fly tons of them round the world so they can be put
>> in
>> a vase and then thrown away in a few days really is decadent.
>>
>> --
>> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
>> "Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
>> Boswell's "Johnson"


> I would like to point out that the planes are going to these places anyway.
>Where you have 747s and the like landing at these places, the cargo space is
>massive and it is the job of the local Air Cargo rep to sell this space and
>help the profitability of his airline. There are not many true cargo only
>planes and the cargo staff will make sure it flies full. Frequently the
>airports that don't have wide bodied planes landing there will truck the
>stuff to an airport that does. A lot of the places in Europe will truck the
>cargo into England as air cargo!.


hmmm. the planes are flying there *because* there's cargo to shift. OK,
you wouldn't fly a 747 to Columbia JUST to pick up cut flowers. But the cut
flowers are part of the reason for the 747 flying there in the first place
(or wherever it is)

One of the problems in the world is everyone is getting used to being able
to have everything they want, when they want it. It's reflected in
attitudes, too: I had someone enquiring after a small number of obsolete
spares, which I said I'd look into and see whether we have them. The reason
he wanted them is because he'd bought, cheap, an old-stock item without its
controls. Now this is hardly a priority from my point of view [1] - I stand
to make a few quid out of it, but I have other work, already in progress,
for which I stand to make a few hundred. Nevertheless, I had 2 emails and 2
phone calls from this bloke over the space of about 4 days, "reminding" me
to look for his parts. I'm quite willing to supply any out of date parts I
have in stock and will also make efforts to get parts, especially for
existing customers, but that's not what I do all the time and I do have
other, more urgent work to deal with.

[1] nor, really, from his: he's not had a breakdown on a thing that's in
daily use, for example - this is a thing he bought cheap knowing it was
missing parts, I assume for a project. Now his project may be held up for
lack of parts, but that's not really my fault - if he'd wanted, he could
have bought the latest gear with all its parts for about 10 times as much...

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
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