Tyres on a disco...

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Austin Shackles

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OK, this has been done to death... but,

My disco came with a set of not-much-worn BFG AT-KOs on it. Now I know
these are supposed to be the bee's knees, and so on, but I don't like 'em.
Specifically, I don't like the lack of grip on wet tarmac. So they're gonna
get swapped onto mother's (not Martyn) disco, and since she's not much
inclined to be doing 60+ on wet roads, unlike me, they'll probably suit OK.

which leads me to my question - I've rather narrowed the choice of tyre to
the Pirelli Scorpion ST or the Goodyear GT +4.

Any opinions here, pro or con either, or anyone want to offer something
similar for me to consider? I'm not looking to go any further towards
"road" tyres than these, such as for example the Michelin Synchrone which is
a fine road tyre but lacking in grip for mud and snow (if we get any). I've
had Scorpion ATs before, and found them very good, what I'm really after is
an opinion on the Goodyears.

I'm more concerned about wet-tarmac grip than longevity, but would prefer
tyres that come in at under a hundred quid a corner, which the Pirellis and
Goodyears still do, just.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Ask yourself whether you are happy, and you cease to be so."
John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873)
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

>
> OK, this has been done to death... but,
>
> My disco came with a set of not-much-worn BFG AT-KOs on it. Now I know
> these are supposed to be the bee's knees, and so on, but I don't like 'em.
> Specifically, I don't like the lack of grip on wet tarmac. So they're
> gonna get swapped onto mother's (not Martyn) disco, and since she's not
> much inclined to be doing 60+ on wet roads, unlike me, they'll probably
> suit OK.
>
> which leads me to my question - I've rather narrowed the choice of tyre to
> the Pirelli Scorpion ST or the Goodyear GT +4.
>
> Any opinions here, pro or con either, or anyone want to offer something
> similar for me to consider? I'm not looking to go any further towards
> "road" tyres than these, such as for example the Michelin Synchrone which
> is
> a fine road tyre but lacking in grip for mud and snow (if we get any).
> I've had Scorpion ATs before, and found them very good, what I'm really
> after is an opinion on the Goodyears.
>
> I'm more concerned about wet-tarmac grip than longevity, but would prefer
> tyres that come in at under a hundred quid a corner, which the Pirellis
> and Goodyears still do, just.

I ran on Cooper ATs for a while and was quite impressed with them - better
grip than the stock Goodyears, better wear as well - I got 65k out of them
vs 35 for the original set.

After that I went onto Mastercraft Avengers which were actually better tyres
- grippier in the wet, mud and snow.

The Coopers were around £70 per corner and the Mastercraft around £55 per
corner when I bought them.

P.
 
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:05:46 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

> what I'm really after is
>an opinion on the Goodyears.

Well I can give you an opinion, for what it's worth.

My (1997) Disco came with Goodyear Eagle GT +4 tyres when I bought it
in 2002. I reckon that one or two tyres had been replaced because I
had a mix of Outline White Lettering and plain black. (Nowadays,
these tyres have one side OWL and one side black).

I did around 35-40,000 on these tyres going up and down the motorways,
often in horrible rain, and I thought they were brill. So much so
that I have just replaced all four with a new set of the same tyres at
Billing. The Goodyear staff told me that the GT +4 was the original
factory-fitted tyre for the Disco at the time mine was built.

As I have said, I think the Eagle GT +4 tyres are excellent BUT .....
I have nothing to compare them with. My last Land Rover was a Series
III with (road-biased) all terrain tyres and driving on the motorway
was a completely different experience!

I paid £300 for tyres, fitting, balancing at Billing. If you decide
to go for the GT +4, perhaps you could find out if Goodyear are going
to have a stand at a show soon, although we're probably getting
towards the end of the season.

Judith
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

>
> OK, this has been done to death... but,
>
> My disco came with a set of not-much-worn BFG AT-KOs on it. Now I know
> these are supposed to be the bee's knees, and so on, but I don't like 'em.
> Specifically, I don't like the lack of grip on wet tarmac. So they're
> gonna get swapped onto mother's (not Martyn) disco, and since she's not
> much inclined to be doing 60+ on wet roads, unlike me, they'll probably
> suit OK.
>
> which leads me to my question - I've rather narrowed the choice of tyre to
> the Pirelli Scorpion ST or the Goodyear GT +4.
>
> Any opinions here, pro or con either, or anyone want to offer something
> similar for me to consider? I'm not looking to go any further towards
> "road" tyres than these, such as for example the Michelin Synchrone which
> is
> a fine road tyre but lacking in grip for mud and snow (if we get any).
> I've had Scorpion ATs before, and found them very good, what I'm really
> after is an opinion on the Goodyears.
>

Just for reference: Good tyres, less good for wear - they get half of what
some cheaper tyres get.

P.
 
On or around Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:18:17 GMT, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>I ran on Cooper ATs for a while and was quite impressed with them - better
>grip than the stock Goodyears, better wear as well - I got 65k out of them
>vs 35 for the original set.
>
>After that I went onto Mastercraft Avengers which were actually better tyres
>- grippier in the wet, mud and snow.
>
>The Coopers were around £70 per corner and the Mastercraft around £55 per
>corner when I bought them.

never heard of 'em. are they remoulds?

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
Blue: The sky is blue for a reason. Blue light is a source of strength
and harmony in the cosmos. Create a blue light in your life by
telephoning the police
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:18:17 GMT, "Paul S. Brown"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>I ran on Cooper ATs for a while and was quite impressed with them - better
>>grip than the stock Goodyears, better wear as well - I got 65k out of them
>>vs 35 for the original set.
>>
>>After that I went onto Mastercraft Avengers which were actually better
>>tyres - grippier in the wet, mud and snow.
>>
>>The Coopers were around £70 per corner and the Mastercraft around £55 per
>>corner when I bought them.
>
> never heard of 'em. are they remoulds?
>

They're actually both Avon brands.

Avon is actually Cooper-Avon and Mastercraft is their budget brand. Both
real tyres, not remoulds.

P.
 
On or around Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:38:54 GMT, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> On or around Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:18:17 GMT, "Paul S. Brown"
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>I ran on Cooper ATs for a while and was quite impressed with them - better
>>>grip than the stock Goodyears, better wear as well - I got 65k out of them
>>>vs 35 for the original set.
>>>
>>>After that I went onto Mastercraft Avengers which were actually better
>>>tyres - grippier in the wet, mud and snow.
>>>
>>>The Coopers were around £70 per corner and the Mastercraft around £55 per
>>>corner when I bought them.
>>
>> never heard of 'em. are they remoulds?
>>
>
>They're actually both Avon brands.
>
>Avon is actually Cooper-Avon and Mastercraft is their budget brand. Both
>real tyres, not remoulds.
>

ooer. still never heard of 'em. however, the local bod will do either
pirelli or Goodyear for 64 plus vat each, fitted. works out about 75
apiece, so I've gone with the Pirellis this time, based on opinions from
sister's BF on his Rangie (he drives like a nutter too) and on past
experience of Pirelli ATs on the 110, which stuck like toffee on a blanket,
albeit rather faster wearing than some. Will see what the STs wear like in
due course.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Would to God that we might spend a single day really well!"
Thomas À Kempis (1380 - 1471) Imitation of Christ, I.xxiii.
 

> My disco came with a set of not-much-worn BFG AT-KOs on it. Now I know
> these are supposed to be the bee's knees, and so on, but I don't like 'em.
> Specifically, I don't like the lack of grip on wet tarmac. So they're
gonna
> get swapped onto mother's (not Martyn) disco, and since she's not much
> inclined to be doing 60+ on wet roads, unlike me, they'll probably suit
OK.

Or you could move to over here in Africa where it is much dryer;-)


 
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:05:46 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

> what I'm really after is
>an opinion on the Goodyears.

Well I can give you an opinion, for what it's worth.

My (1997) Disco came with Goodyear Eagle GT +4 tyres when I bought it
in 2002. I reckon that one or two tyres had been replaced because I
had a mix of Outline White Lettering and plain black. (Nowadays,
these tyres have one side OWL and one side black).

I did around 35-40,000 on these tyres going up and down the motorways,
often in horrible rain, and I thought they were brill. So much so
that I have just replaced all four with a new set of the same tyres at
Billing. The Goodyear staff told me that the GT +4 was the original
factory-fitted tyre for the Disco at the time mine was built.

As I have said, I think the Eagle GT +4 tyres are excellent BUT .....
I have nothing to compare them with. My last Land Rover was a Series
III with (road-biased) all terrain tyres and driving on the motorway
was a completely different experience!

I paid £300 for tyres, fitting, balancing at Billing. If you decide
to go for the GT +4, perhaps you could find out if Goodyear are going
to have a stand at a show soon, although we're probably getting
towards the end of the season.

Judith
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:18:17 GMT, "Paul S. Brown"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>I ran on Cooper ATs for a while and was quite impressed with them - better
>>grip than the stock Goodyears, better wear as well - I got 65k out of them
>>vs 35 for the original set.
>>
>>After that I went onto Mastercraft Avengers which were actually better
>>tyres - grippier in the wet, mud and snow.
>>
>>The Coopers were around £70 per corner and the Mastercraft around £55 per
>>corner when I bought them.
>
> never heard of 'em. are they remoulds?
>

They're actually both Avon brands.

Avon is actually Cooper-Avon and Mastercraft is their budget brand. Both
real tyres, not remoulds.

P.
 
On or around Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:51:27 +0200, "Aubrey" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>
>> My disco came with a set of not-much-worn BFG AT-KOs on it. Now I know
>> these are supposed to be the bee's knees, and so on, but I don't like 'em.
>> Specifically, I don't like the lack of grip on wet tarmac. So they're
>gonna
>> get swapped onto mother's (not Martyn) disco, and since she's not much
>> inclined to be doing 60+ on wet roads, unlike me, they'll probably suit
>OK.
>
>Or you could move to over here in Africa where it is much dryer;-)
>

I had thought about it. Mother (not Martyn) is, after all, already breeding
Boer goats.

what's the supply of LPG like out there?


and, more to the point I suppose, is it actually possible to emigrate to ZA
these days, without being either rich or having a recognised trade "they"
want?

I can wrangle Land rovers and engines and vehicles in general, I can weld,
fabricate, carpent, build and so on, but I've no bits of paper that attest
to these abilities.


--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
face by frightening people in the street.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

> and, more to the point I suppose, is it actually possible to emigrate to ZA
> these days, without being either rich or having a recognised trade "they"
> want?
>
> I can wrangle Land rovers and engines and vehicles in general, I can weld,
> fabricate, carpent, build and so on, but I've no bits of paper that attest
> to these abilities.

NZ is screaming for builders, has lots of Landrovers, speaks English and
covers a climatic range from better than any of the UK to as bad a the
Shetlands. Maybe you should emigrate here.



--
EMB
change two to number to reply
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

>
> OK, this has been done to death... but,
>
> My disco came with a set of not-much-worn BFG AT-KOs on it. Now I know
> these are supposed to be the bee's knees, and so on, but I don't like 'em.
> Specifically, I don't like the lack of grip on wet tarmac. So they're
> gonna get swapped onto mother's (not Martyn) disco, and since she's not
> much inclined to be doing 60+ on wet roads, unlike me, they'll probably
> suit OK.
>
> which leads me to my question - I've rather narrowed the choice of tyre to
> the Pirelli Scorpion ST or the Goodyear GT +4.
>
> Any opinions here, pro or con either, or anyone want to offer something
> similar for me to consider? I'm not looking to go any further towards
> "road" tyres than these, such as for example the Michelin Synchrone which
> is
> a fine road tyre but lacking in grip for mud and snow (if we get any).
> I've had Scorpion ATs before, and found them very good, what I'm really
> after is an opinion on the Goodyears.
>
> I'm more concerned about wet-tarmac grip than longevity, but would prefer
> tyres that come in at under a hundred quid a corner, which the Pirellis
> and Goodyears still do, just.

I ran on Cooper ATs for a while and was quite impressed with them - better
grip than the stock Goodyears, better wear as well - I got 65k out of them
vs 35 for the original set.

After that I went onto Mastercraft Avengers which were actually better tyres
- grippier in the wet, mud and snow.

The Coopers were around £70 per corner and the Mastercraft around £55 per
corner when I bought them.

P.
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

>
> OK, this has been done to death... but,
>
> My disco came with a set of not-much-worn BFG AT-KOs on it. Now I know
> these are supposed to be the bee's knees, and so on, but I don't like 'em.
> Specifically, I don't like the lack of grip on wet tarmac. So they're
> gonna get swapped onto mother's (not Martyn) disco, and since she's not
> much inclined to be doing 60+ on wet roads, unlike me, they'll probably
> suit OK.
>
> which leads me to my question - I've rather narrowed the choice of tyre to
> the Pirelli Scorpion ST or the Goodyear GT +4.
>
> Any opinions here, pro or con either, or anyone want to offer something
> similar for me to consider? I'm not looking to go any further towards
> "road" tyres than these, such as for example the Michelin Synchrone which
> is
> a fine road tyre but lacking in grip for mud and snow (if we get any).
> I've had Scorpion ATs before, and found them very good, what I'm really
> after is an opinion on the Goodyears.
>

Just for reference: Good tyres, less good for wear - they get half of what
some cheaper tyres get.

P.
 
On or around Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:18:17 GMT, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>I ran on Cooper ATs for a while and was quite impressed with them - better
>grip than the stock Goodyears, better wear as well - I got 65k out of them
>vs 35 for the original set.
>
>After that I went onto Mastercraft Avengers which were actually better tyres
>- grippier in the wet, mud and snow.
>
>The Coopers were around £70 per corner and the Mastercraft around £55 per
>corner when I bought them.

never heard of 'em. are they remoulds?

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
Blue: The sky is blue for a reason. Blue light is a source of strength
and harmony in the cosmos. Create a blue light in your life by
telephoning the police
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
On or around Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:38:54 GMT, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> On or around Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:18:17 GMT, "Paul S. Brown"
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>I ran on Cooper ATs for a while and was quite impressed with them - better
>>>grip than the stock Goodyears, better wear as well - I got 65k out of them
>>>vs 35 for the original set.
>>>
>>>After that I went onto Mastercraft Avengers which were actually better
>>>tyres - grippier in the wet, mud and snow.
>>>
>>>The Coopers were around £70 per corner and the Mastercraft around £55 per
>>>corner when I bought them.
>>
>> never heard of 'em. are they remoulds?
>>
>
>They're actually both Avon brands.
>
>Avon is actually Cooper-Avon and Mastercraft is their budget brand. Both
>real tyres, not remoulds.
>

ooer. still never heard of 'em. however, the local bod will do either
pirelli or Goodyear for 64 plus vat each, fitted. works out about 75
apiece, so I've gone with the Pirellis this time, based on opinions from
sister's BF on his Rangie (he drives like a nutter too) and on past
experience of Pirelli ATs on the 110, which stuck like toffee on a blanket,
albeit rather faster wearing than some. Will see what the STs wear like in
due course.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Would to God that we might spend a single day really well!"
Thomas À Kempis (1380 - 1471) Imitation of Christ, I.xxiii.
 
On or around Sat, 21 Aug 2004 09:09:55 +1200, EMB <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> and, more to the point I suppose, is it actually possible to emigrate to ZA
>> these days, without being either rich or having a recognised trade "they"
>> want?
>>
>> I can wrangle Land rovers and engines and vehicles in general, I can weld,
>> fabricate, carpent, build and so on, but I've no bits of paper that attest
>> to these abilities.
>
>NZ is screaming for builders, has lots of Landrovers, speaks English and
>covers a climatic range from better than any of the UK to as bad a the
>Shetlands. Maybe you should emigrate here.

It's my understanding that it's boodly difficult to emigrate to Aus. or NZ
these days, unless you have lots of money.

Ages ago (well, about 40 years) a cousin of me dad's emigrated there, but he
was a qualified 'phone engineer of the serious kind, and such were in demand
then.

My biggest problem is that while I can do all these various things and in
smoe cases better than the "professionals" (FSVO professional), I lack paper
qualifications for any of 'em.

Most of the (western) world doesn't seem to want an experienced generalist
any more, everything has to be done by suitable specialists, who've got bits
of paper to prove how special they are...

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
Satisfying: Satisfy your inner child by eating ten tubes of Smarties
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> It's my understanding that it's boodly difficult to emigrate to Aus. or NZ
> these days,

Only if you are British (or European). Asians can get in easily.

Ron



 
On Monday, in article
<[email protected]>
[email protected] "Austin Shackles" wrote:

> My biggest problem is that while I can do all these various things and in
> smoe cases better than the "professionals" (FSVO professional), I lack paper
> qualifications for any of 'em.
>
> Most of the (western) world doesn't seem to want an experienced generalist
> any more, everything has to be done by suitable specialists, who've got bits
> of paper to prove how special they are...

And then the politicians complain because the schools have learnt how to
teach the kids to get the bits of paper...

And the people with the practical knowledge look at what the pieces of
paper are based on, and just sigh.



--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

"History shows that the Singularity started when Sir Tim Berners-Lee
was bitten by a radioactive spider."
 

> My disco came with a set of not-much-worn BFG AT-KOs on it. Now I know
> these are supposed to be the bee's knees, and so on, but I don't like 'em.
> Specifically, I don't like the lack of grip on wet tarmac. So they're
gonna
> get swapped onto mother's (not Martyn) disco, and since she's not much
> inclined to be doing 60+ on wet roads, unlike me, they'll probably suit
OK.

Or you could move to over here in Africa where it is much dryer;-)


 
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