Tyre Pressures 110 CSW

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Hi All. Need to be sure of tyre pressures on my 110 CSW (almost always
carrying two adults, three kids and two dogs if it makes a difference).
Tyres are 235/85 R16 Mud Terrain. Also have a set of Bronco MT Remoulds
(same size) are they any different?
Need to know ASAP please.
Wolverine.
110 Defender CSW


 
In article <[email protected]>, Wolverine
<[email protected]> writes
>Hi All. Need to be sure of tyre pressures on my 110 CSW (almost always
>carrying two adults, three kids and two dogs if it makes a difference).
>Tyres are 235/85 R16 Mud Terrain. Also have a set of Bronco MT Remoulds
>(same size) are they any different?
>Need to know ASAP please.
>Wolverine.
>110 Defender CSW


Mine are 40/42 psi (Goodyear Wranglers)

Regards,

Simonm.

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On or around Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:40:31 +0100, "Wolverine"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Hi All. Need to be sure of tyre pressures on my 110 CSW (almost always
>carrying two adults, three kids and two dogs if it makes a difference).
>Tyres are 235/85 R16 Mud Terrain. Also have a set of Bronco MT Remoulds
>(same size) are they any different?
>Need to know ASAP please.



arrrgrh, not again.


I'd go for about 36 all round, but tyhe book will tell you 28 front 42 rear
or somesuch. 28 is too soft for good tyre wear although it probably makes
for a slightly smoother ride. 36 is fine in the back provided you're not
carrying heavy weight, in which case you need to up them to 40 maybe.

the 28 figure dates back to cross-ply tyres - radials, size-for-size, seem
to run better a bit harder.

--
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"Remember that to change your mind and follow him who sets you right
is to be none the less free than you were before."
Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (121-180), from Meditations, VIII.16
 

>
> >Hi All. Need to be sure of tyre pressures on my 110 CSW (almost always
> >carrying two adults, three kids and two dogs if it makes a difference).
> >Tyres are 235/85 R16 Mud Terrain. Also have a set of Bronco MT Remoulds
> >(same size) are they any different?
> >Need to know ASAP please.


>
> I'd go for about 36 all round, but tyhe book will tell you 28 front 42

rear
> or somesuch. 28 is too soft for good tyre wear although it probably makes
> for a slightly smoother ride. 36 is fine in the back provided you're not
> carrying heavy weight, in which case you need to up them to 40 maybe.
>
> the 28 figure dates back to cross-ply tyres - radials, size-for-size, seem
> to run better a bit harder.


BFG AT at 28 35 that lasted 50k is that good or bad ??


 

> > I'd go for about 36 all round, but tyhe book will tell you 28 front 42

> rear
> > or somesuch. 28 is too soft for good tyre wear although it probably

makes
> > for a slightly smoother ride. 36 is fine in the back provided you're

not
> > carrying heavy weight, in which case you need to up them to 40 maybe.
> >
> > the 28 figure dates back to cross-ply tyres - radials, size-for-size,

seem
> > to run better a bit harder.

>
> BFG AT at 28 35 that lasted 50k is that good or bad ??
>
>



Isnt there a formula to calculate pressure; saw one years ago byt cant trace
it ??


 
Hirsty's wrote:

(snip)
>
>
> Isnt there a formula to calculate pressure; saw one years ago byt cant
> trace it ??


Don't think there can be a general formula - all tyre pressures are a
compromise, comfort and ground pressure on the side of low pressure, tyre
life and handling on the side of high pressure, with added complications of
needing to increase rear pressure as load increases. Having the pressures
wrong between front and back can make a big difference to handling.

Placarded pressures on my 110 are 35/35 unloaded at speeds below 100kph up
to 65/60 fully loaded at sustained speeds above 120kph. And take off 15 for
soft ground. (all in psi) Note that these pressures are all higher than the
UK recommended pressures, probably because Australians drive long distances
at high speed in high temperatures on rough roads.
JD
 
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"Wolverine" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi All. Need to be sure of tyre pressures on my 110 CSW (almost always
> carrying two adults, three kids and two dogs if it makes a difference).
> Tyres are 235/85 R16 Mud Terrain. Also have a set of Bronco MT Remoulds
> (same size) are they any different?
> Need to know ASAP please.
> Wolverine.
> 110 Defender CSW
>



 
Fellow listers,

took me some time to unearth the formula but finally managed to find it.

QUOTE
1. Take the total weight of your truck, write it down and put an "A" next to
it.
2. Then multiply the maximum weight from the tyre sidewall by four {four
tyres under the truck}, write down the answer and but a "B" next to it.
3. Divide "A" into "B" and write the number down with a "C" next to it.
4. Next divide "C" into the maximum side wall pressure "D", and you have the
correct pressure for your tyres on your truck.

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The formula is shown again below to help.

Truck weight in lb's =A
Side wall max weight x 4 =B
B into A = C
Side wall max pressure =D
C into D = ideal psi.

With the correct inflation pressure and having been balanced right, your new
tyres will give years of faithful service.

UNQUOTE.

Unfortunately I have not noted from where I have copied it but whoever has
posted it first is to be thanked.
Works very nicely but will work even better if you do it on an per vehicle's
axle basis. So you calculate the front axle's weight as A and multiply by 2
(instead of 4) in order to calculate variant B.

You see our landies tend to be more nose heavy, especially if they are
fitted with winches, bullbars etc.

Take care and hope this helps.
Pantelis


 
Pantelis Giamarellos wrote:
> Fellow listers,
>
> took me some time to unearth the formula but finally managed to find it.


Nice theory - and it doesn't work.

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EMB
 
Sorry but that was all I had in relation to tyre pressure formulae.

Take care
Pantelis


"EMB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Pantelis Giamarellos wrote:
> > Fellow listers,
> >
> > took me some time to unearth the formula but finally managed to find it.

>
> Nice theory - and it doesn't work.
>
> --
> EMB



 
Pantelis Giamarellos wrote:

> Truck weight in lb's =A
> Side wall max weight x 4 =B
> B into A = C
> Side wall max pressure =D
> C into D = ideal psi.


OK. I am a bear of very little brain but I'm not even sure I understand the
items let alone the concepts. Can somebody explain in words of one
syllable what this means? An example, including where I get the numbers
from, would be magic.

nigelH


 
Nigel Hi,

please do not worry. Maths and physics was not my very best point either but
I will try to give an example based on my cars.

One of them is a fully kitted out genuine camel trophy Discovery 200Tdi in
100% genuine condition and fitted with the 7.00 X 16" Michelin XZL tyres
that were original fitment for the 1994 event that it participated in as the
Greek team vehicle. This type of vehicle had a weight of around 2.800 kilos
when fitted with all the kit and additional fuel and water so with the
equipment that can not removed (roofrack, skid plates front and rear,
bullbar, rollcage, Husky winch, three tow hooks the estimated weight with
the driver is around 2.500 kilos.

The second one is another camel trophy Discovery but I have now removed the
roofrack, bullbar and winch still retaining the rollcage and having added
A/C and replacing the manual gearbox and LT230 transfer box with an autobox
and Borg Warner transfer box. I calculate its weight to around 2.200 kilos.
It is now fitted with KUMHO 205 X 16" tyres

--------------------------------------------

Factory suggested tyre pressure for ordinary specifications Discovery
vehicles (200Tdi) is 1.9 psi for the front wheels and 2.6 psi for the rear
wheels for a vehicle that weights around 2.000 kilos so let's take this an a
basis for our example.

My tyre fitter (who is also a good personal friend) has suggested I use 2.1
psi (30 bars) and 2.8 psi (40 bars) respectively front and rear and this is
what I have been using for the last 10 years of accumulated CT Discos
ownership.

------------

Now back to the maths of the formula for an ordinary Discovery and then for
the CT (it is a good opportunity to check it anyway)

An ordinary Discovery 200Tdi, 5 door with A/C weights 2.095 kilos (this is
factory quoted weight from the Land Rover Experience book, second edition
October 1994)
2.095 kilos is around 4.170 lbs (please correct me if I am wrong but I was
only able to find pounds as weight. A pound is similar to 1 lbs?)

So A = 4.170 lbs (please confirm)

Side wall maximum weight as quoted on the KUMHO tyres is 1984 lbs multiplied
by 4 = 7.936 lbs
So B = 7.936 lbs

B into A = 1,903
Therefore C = 1,903

Side wall maximum pressure for the KUMHO tyres is 44 psi.
Therefore D = 44

C into D = (44/1,903) = 23
Therefore suggested tyre pressure must be 23 psi (or 1.6 bars) for the
KUMHO tyres.

------------

If we apply the same formula for the heavier vehicle with the XZL Michelin
tyres the outcome should be

A = vehicle's weight = 2.500 kilos = 5.510 lbs (I presume a pound is the
same as lb)
B = sidewall maximum weight X 4 = 2205 lbs X 4 = 8.820 lbs

C = A/B = 5.510/2.205 = 2,498

D = sidewall maximum pressure = 65 psi

Suggested tyre pressure must be D/C = 65/2,498 = 26 psi (or 1.8 bars)

--------------------

This sounds a bit low on both occasions but I hope the example was useful.

Take care
Pantelis





Recommended factory tyres pressure, as already quoted, is 1.9 and 2.6 psi
(28 and 38 bars for those who prefer this system)





"Nigel Hewitt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Pantelis Giamarellos wrote:
>
> > Truck weight in lb's =A
> > Side wall max weight x 4 =B
> > B into A = C
> > Side wall max pressure =D
> > C into D = ideal psi.

>
> OK. I am a bear of very little brain but I'm not even sure I understand

the
> items let alone the concepts. Can somebody explain in words of one
> syllable what this means? An example, including where I get the numbers
> from, would be magic.
>
> nigelH
>
>



 
On or around Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:07:54 +0300, "Pantelis Giamarellos"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Unfortunately I have not noted from where I have copied it but whoever has
>posted it first is to be thanked.
>Works very nicely but will work even better if you do it on an per vehicle's
>axle basis. So you calculate the front axle's weight as A and multiply by 2
>(instead of 4) in order to calculate variant B.


noted that the rear tyre pressures on the minibus (with it's 4 tyres) are
way too high in the book. Running light, as I do, I can and do use 28.
Single ones would need about 40, but the book says 40-odd anyway, which is
only really valid at full load.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"The great masses of the people ... will more easily fall victims to
a great lie than to a small one" Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
from Mein Kampf, Ch 10
 
On or around Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:22:52 +0300, "Pantelis Giamarellos"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Factory suggested tyre pressure for ordinary specifications Discovery
>vehicles (200Tdi) is 1.9 psi for the front wheels and 2.6 psi for the rear
>wheels for a vehicle that weights around 2.000 kilos so let's take this an a
>basis for our example.
>
>My tyre fitter (who is also a good personal friend) has suggested I use 2.1
>psi (30 bars) and 2.8 psi (40 bars) respectively front and rear and this is
>what I have been using for the last 10 years of accumulated CT Discos
>ownership.


pedantic, I know, but you've got yer psi and bar on backwards.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Would to God that we might spend a single day really well!"
Thomas À Kempis (1380 - 1471) Imitation of Christ, I.xxiii.
 
Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:22:52 +0300, "Pantelis Giamarellos"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> Factory suggested tyre pressure for ordinary specifications Discovery
>> vehicles (200Tdi) is 1.9 psi for the front wheels and 2.6 psi for
>> the rear wheels for a vehicle that weights around 2.000 kilos so
>> let's take this an a basis for our example.
>>
>> My tyre fitter (who is also a good personal friend) has suggested I
>> use 2.1 psi (30 bars) and 2.8 psi (40 bars) respectively front and
>> rear and this is what I have been using for the last 10 years of
>> accumulated CT Discos ownership.

>
> pedantic, I know, but you've got yer psi and bar on backwards.


Mind you, if the tyres could take it, he could float all the way from Greece on those tyres at that psi!!

;~)

Nige

--
Subaru WRX
Landrover 110 County Station Wagon (Tyson)
WTB a clean RRC pref 3.9 or LSE 4.2

'"gimme the f*ckin' money"


 
You must be right.

What I use is the bigger numbers 'cause I tend to remember them more easily
(30/40)

Take care
Pantelis

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:22:52 +0300, "Pantelis Giamarellos"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >Factory suggested tyre pressure for ordinary specifications Discovery
> >vehicles (200Tdi) is 1.9 psi for the front wheels and 2.6 psi for the

rear
> >wheels for a vehicle that weights around 2.000 kilos so let's take this

an a
> >basis for our example.
> >
> >My tyre fitter (who is also a good personal friend) has suggested I use

2.1
> >psi (30 bars) and 2.8 psi (40 bars) respectively front and rear and this

is
> >what I have been using for the last 10 years of accumulated CT Discos
> >ownership.

>
> pedantic, I know, but you've got yer psi and bar on backwards.
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> "Would to God that we might spend a single day really well!"
> Thomas À Kempis (1380 - 1471) Imitation of Christ, I.xxiii.



 
LOL !!!!

Take care
Pantelis

"Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Austin Shackles wrote:
> > On or around Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:22:52 +0300, "Pantelis Giamarellos"
> > <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> >
> >> Factory suggested tyre pressure for ordinary specifications Discovery
> >> vehicles (200Tdi) is 1.9 psi for the front wheels and 2.6 psi for
> >> the rear wheels for a vehicle that weights around 2.000 kilos so
> >> let's take this an a basis for our example.
> >>
> >> My tyre fitter (who is also a good personal friend) has suggested I
> >> use 2.1 psi (30 bars) and 2.8 psi (40 bars) respectively front and
> >> rear and this is what I have been using for the last 10 years of
> >> accumulated CT Discos ownership.

> >
> > pedantic, I know, but you've got yer psi and bar on backwards.

>
> Mind you, if the tyres could take it, he could float all the way from

Greece on those tyres at that psi!!
>
> ;~)
>
> Nige
>
> --
> Subaru WRX
> Landrover 110 County Station Wagon (Tyson)
> WTB a clean RRC pref 3.9 or LSE 4.2
>
> '"gimme the f*ckin' money"
>
>



 
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