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I'm thinking of selling my landy (SIII LWB FFR 24V, W Reg, ragtop, snorkel)
and am wondering on the best method of selling it. Have people found it
better to advertise in the landy mags or has anyone had any luck on ebay?

Any ideas how much it might be worth? (recent MOT/Service, low milage,
flakey paint in places, rust on rear bumper dent, otherwise a good runner)

see here for a piccy (hey, how was I supposed to know there was a big dip
the other side!) -

http://www.discount-aromatherapy.co.uk/oops1.jpg (this is with the roof on,
but sides folded up)


 
Ouch that looks painful.
cyberwraith


"anon4186" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm thinking of selling my landy (SIII LWB FFR 24V, W Reg, ragtop,
> snorkel)
> and am wondering on the best method of selling it. Have people found it
> better to advertise in the landy mags or has anyone had any luck on ebay?
>
> Any ideas how much it might be worth? (recent MOT/Service, low milage,
> flakey paint in places, rust on rear bumper dent, otherwise a good runner)
>
> see here for a piccy (hey, how was I supposed to know there was a big dip
> the other side!) -
>
> http://www.discount-aromatherapy.co.uk/oops1.jpg (this is with the roof
> on,
> but sides folded up)
>
>


 

"anon4186" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm thinking of selling my landy (SIII LWB FFR 24V, W Reg, ragtop,
snorkel)
> and am wondering on the best method of selling it. Have people
found it
> better to advertise in the landy mags or has anyone had any luck on
ebay?
>
> Any ideas how much it might be worth? (recent MOT/Service, low
milage,
> flakey paint in places, rust on rear bumper dent, otherwise a good
runner)
>
> see here for a piccy (hey, how was I supposed to know there was a
big dip
> the other side!) -
>
> http://www.discount-aromatherapy.co.uk/oops1.jpg (this is with the
roof on,
> but sides folded up)
>
>

Does the buyer have to recover it from that hump <GGG>

AWEM


 
> >see here for a piccy (hey, how was I supposed to know there was a big dip
> >the other side!) -
>
> "look before you leap" springs to mind......
>

8)

Well this T junction (at the top of a very steep hill) was one of the main
ways in to the course, and I'd seen lots of other people go up there. I had
actually been up there once before, but because of the SIII's supertanker
sized turning circle when I got over the peak and turned left I 'turned'
into the enbankment, so I had to reverse a bit, forward a bit, reverse a bit
in order to get onto the road that made the 'top' peice of the 'T'. 2nd
time round I thought I'd skip the faffing about so I tried to cut left
accross the corner at the top - but as you an see the corner had a dip
behind it...

and in case you're wondering the only way to get off was to be pulled
backwards down the very steep hill - eeek!


 
On 2005-01-03, anon4186 <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm thinking of selling my landy (SIII LWB FFR 24V, W Reg, ragtop,
> snorkel) and am wondering on the best method of selling it. Have
> people found it better to advertise in the landy mags or has anyone
> had any luck on ebay?

My only experience of selling cars on ebay (I've done lots of non-car
stuff) was pretty rotten. I tried to sell an old E-reg Audi 90
Quattro with a reserve of 500 quid to sell it fast, at the time they
were selling for between 800 and 1000 quid.

I got scammers sending me the usual mail, and the others were just
people sending useful messages like "I HAD ONE OF THOSE CAR'S IT WAS
JUS LIKE YOU'RES" or people saying "You've put a lot of pictures up
but didn't take a picture of <insert random bit of car>, what's wrong
with it?".

I sold it to a friend of a friend in the end for over 1000 quid after
spending some extra cash on it for some repairs, I made a profit of
about 700 quid I think.

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
 
In article <[email protected]>,
"anon4186" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm thinking of selling my landy (SIII LWB FFR 24V, W Reg, ragtop, snorkel)
> and am wondering on the best method of selling it. Have people found it
> better to advertise in the landy mags or has anyone had any luck on ebay?

I've done both in the past. eBay is a good way of getting your message
out to a lot of people in a short amount of time. At the same time,
there are lots of online 4x4 forums worth using, and also of course the
magazines.

The mags tend to work well if you're after an ambitious price, but it
takes so long to get the advert in press.

If you're selling online be careful of the variety of scams that are out
there. Don't sell to anybody who you have any doubts about. Don't
assume that a banker's draft is a 100% reliable form of payment (they
are sometimes stolen and can be revoked up to several weeks after
they've cleared in your account). If the buyer tries to set up any kind
of odd deal (the classic being getting somebody to send you a cheque for
more than the vehicle's worth, and then asking you to forward them the
balance) then run very quickly in the opposite direction.

A good test is to imagine your buyer has just totally fleeced you; are
you thinking "I *knew* there was something a bit odd about that!"

Good luck,
David
 
> If you're selling online be careful of the variety of scams that are out
> there. Don't sell to anybody who you have any doubts about. Don't
> assume that a banker's draft is a 100% reliable form of payment (they
> are sometimes stolen and can be revoked up to several weeks after
> they've cleared in your account). If the buyer tries to set up any kind
>

So is there a reliable way of payment without asking for cash? How about
Bank Transfer?


 
anon4186 composed the following;:
> I'm thinking of selling my landy (SIII LWB FFR 24V, W Reg, ragtop,
> snorkel) and am wondering on the best method of selling it. Have people
> found it better to advertise in the landy mags or has anyone had any luck
> on ebay?
>
> Any ideas how much it might be worth? (recent MOT/Service, low milage,
> flakey paint in places, rust on rear bumper dent, otherwise a good runner)
>
> see here for a piccy (hey, how was I supposed to know there was a big dip
> the other side!) -
>
> http://www.discount-aromatherapy.co.uk/oops1.jpg (this is with the roof
> on, but sides folded up)

We sold our S3 for £986, when we reckoned it was worth about £600 tops.

Make it plain that people are allowed and indeed encouraged to come and view
it before auction end, we had three people come and look, but the winning
bidder didn't. We had a low start and lowish reserve £100 start £450 reserve
and it hit reserve the first day. Then nothing for six days, then on the
last day about eight different bidders pushed it up.

When the guy who won it came to pick it up he wanted to haggle and kick
tyres etc etc .. But I wouldn't have it, and pointed out what an auction and
his bids meant. Besides, he'd driven in another S3 from London to
Nottingham with a twin axle trailer on tow, so I guessed he was serious
about it anyway .. ;) In the end he was happy and left good feedback.

If someone offers a deal that looks 'too good to be true' then it is ... ;)

--
Paul ...
http://www.4x4prejudice.org/index.php
(8(!) Homer Rules ... ;)
"A tosser is a tosser, no matter what mode of transport they're using."

 
In article <[email protected]>,
"anon4186" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > If you're selling online be careful of the variety of scams that are out
> > there. Don't sell to anybody who you have any doubts about. Don't
> > assume that a banker's draft is a 100% reliable form of payment (they
> > are sometimes stolen and can be revoked up to several weeks after
> > they've cleared in your account). If the buyer tries to set up any kind
> >
>
> So is there a reliable way of payment without asking for cash? How about
> Bank Transfer?

To be honest, I don't know. I'd have though Bank Transfer was reliable,
but best check with your bank.

When I sold my Disco I checked with Lloyds Bank to find out what was
safe. They assured me that a banker's draft was irrevocable and
entirely safe. Which is absolute rubbish. When I pointed out they were
talking rubbish, they didn't know what to say - they were just repeating
back some page of a training manual somewhere, and the fact that the
truth conflicted with what they were saying caused them total confusion.

If the bank doesn't know better, who does?
 
In news:david.french-5A2CA2.14221205012005@no-dns-yet-212-23-3-119.zen.co.uk,
David French <[email protected]> blithered:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "anon4186" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> If you're selling online be careful of the variety of scams that
>>> are out there. Don't sell to anybody who you have any doubts
>>> about. Don't assume that a banker's draft is a 100% reliable form
>>> of payment (they are sometimes stolen and can be revoked up to
>>> several weeks after they've cleared in your account). If the buyer
>>> tries to set up any kind
>>>
>>
>> So is there a reliable way of payment without asking for cash? How
>> about Bank Transfer?
>
> To be honest, I don't know. I'd have though Bank Transfer was
> reliable, but best check with your bank.
>
> When I sold my Disco I checked with Lloyds Bank to find out what was
> safe. They assured me that a banker's draft was irrevocable and
> entirely safe. Which is absolute rubbish. When I pointed out they
> were talking rubbish, they didn't know what to say - they were just
> repeating back some page of a training manual somewhere, and the fact
> that the truth conflicted with what they were saying caused them
> total confusion.
>
> If the bank doesn't know better, who does?

Someone who has been burned!!!




--
The enemy of my enemy is my fiend?

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!


 
> So is there a reliable way of payment without asking for cash? How about
> Bank Transfer?
>


A bank transfer is safe, but you are asking an awful lot of the buyer if you
expect them to pay in this manner.

They would need to pay a minimum three days in advance for the funds to show
and be clear in your account, so your asking someone you've never met to
make an irreversible transfer to your account and you'll hand over the car
in three days once it's clear.

This is an enormous risk for the purchaser.

You'd be very unlucky to get a bent bankers draught, but if you did, it's
tough titty sunshine (however your motor insurance might pay out on the loss
as it would be treated as theft - police would have to be informed, you
would have had to have taken reasonable precautions etc)....A point of
interest here is your bank treat a draught the same as an ordinary cheque,
it still takes 3 or 4 days to clear in your account (10 in some Building
Societies) and that's even if you bank at the same issuing bank....its a
racket!

So the only way is to take payment in cash, make sure Queenie is where she
should be on all the notes and hand over the keys. Its the safest way.

I've sold two cars on ebay took a draught from one (off a guy that had a
huge list of positive feedbacks and 100% rated) but had a new buyer with
zero rating buy my second, I would only accept cash on collection from the
second guy, not even Paypal as that's not worth the cyberspace air it's
written in....

An associated point on Paypal, I only use this for low value items, anything
high value (over the paypal threshold of £250 (or £500 if buyer protection
is offered) I collect in person and pay cash.

As a seller I won't accept payments for high value items with Paypal, it can
be very easily defrauded. A new buyer can open a paypal account with any
credit card, make a purchase on that card via paypal and receive the goods.

Once they receive their credit card bill, they call the card company and
tell them they didn't authorise the transaction and the good were never
delivered to them. This is called a charge back. The first you know about it
is when your paypal account/bank account where the money was transferred out
to is debited immediately for the whole transaction whilst an investigation
is undertaken.

It is now your duty of proof to show that it was a valid transaction with
the card holder and that the goods were delivered to the cardholder, that
you made sure the person to whom the goods were being sent was the card
holder etc etc.......you don't stand a hope basically.

Paypal are toothless in these matters, they are not a bank they are agents
and that's it, they just make sure that they don't lose a penny, it's you or
the buyer.......and more often than not it's the seller that gets shafted.

Think sensibly, apply a little common sense and you won't get screwed.

Alan.




 

>You'd be very unlucky to get a bent bankers draught, but if you did, it's
>tough titty sunshine (however your motor insurance might pay out on the loss
>as it would be treated as theft - police would have to be informed, you
>would have had to have taken reasonable precautions etc)

A motor insurance company will NOT pay out in these circumstances as
it is fraud, not theft. You willingly handed over title to the
purchaser, thus any responsibilty the insurance company has is
relinquished.

Incidentally, another one where they won't pay out is if you leave
your car at the side of the road, or on a petrol forecourt with the
keys in it. Leaving the keys in it automatically means you haven't
taken the necessary precautions and thus invalidates your cover.

Alex


 
Amoungst my many sins I was a motor insurance underwriter for a large
insurance company for 9 years.

At the time I worked there (early to mid 90's) there were a huge number of
forged bankers draught claims, it was absolutely rife.

The insurer paid out in the case of forged bankers draughts if they were
very good forgeries for the correct amount and all resonable precautions had
been taken.

I wasn't speculating, I was stating fact from my experience in this industry
and having personally seen some of the claims processed and paid. Of course
I wouldn't be surprised if the insurers had written clauses in that no
longer make it possible to claim in this way.

Your second statement is correct.

Alan M.

"Alex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>>You'd be very unlucky to get a bent bankers draught, but if you did, it's
>>tough titty sunshine (however your motor insurance might pay out on the
>>loss
>>as it would be treated as theft - police would have to be informed, you
>>would have had to have taken reasonable precautions etc)
>
> A motor insurance company will NOT pay out in these circumstances as
> it is fraud, not theft. You willingly handed over title to the
> purchaser, thus any responsibilty the insurance company has is
> relinquished.
>
> Incidentally, another one where they won't pay out is if you leave
> your car at the side of the road, or on a petrol forecourt with the
> keys in it. Leaving the keys in it automatically means you haven't
> taken the necessary precautions and thus invalidates your cover.
>
> Alex
>
>


 
I should have added that at the time the police classed this as theft by
deception and not fraud, unless you are privvy to law and know different I
asssume this is the offence remains the same.

Alan M


 
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:32:43 +0000 (UTC), "Alan Mudd"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I should have added that at the time the police classed this as theft by
>deception and not fraud, unless you are privvy to law and know different I
>asssume this is the offence remains the same.
>

All I know is I've heard cases of it happen locally, and insurance
companies have flatly refused to pay out. Perhaps the terms and
conditions are different these days, or insurance companies have had
enough of the scams and are refusing to pay out using a clause in the
polity, rather than taking a more lenient view and coughing up

Alex
 
In message <[email protected]>, Alex
<[email protected]> writes
>
>>You'd be very unlucky to get a bent bankers draught, but if you did, it's
>>tough titty sunshine (however your motor insurance might pay out on the loss
>>as it would be treated as theft - police would have to be informed, you
>>would have had to have taken reasonable precautions etc)
>
>A motor insurance company will NOT pay out in these circumstances as
>it is fraud, not theft. You willingly handed over title to the
>purchaser, thus any responsibilty the insurance company has is
>relinquished.
>
>Incidentally, another one where they won't pay out is if you leave
>your car at the side of the road, or on a petrol forecourt with the
>keys in it. Leaving the keys in it automatically means you haven't
>taken the necessary precautions and thus invalidates your cover.
>
>Alex
>
>
Or outside on the drive, warming up in the winter or with the air con
running to cool down in the summer. Apparently this has become another
popular source of easily stealable vehicles - keys in the ignition,
engine running, just get in and drive off.
--
hugh
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