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Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming new
LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in London -
she and the Land Rover looked *great*! It seems kind of different from
the other models in the Land Rover lineup - kind of like a more compact
Range Rover Sport, I think. Seems like it will come with all kinds of
neat features, I am especially interested in finding out more about
this Terrain Response feature I read about in a blog. I read it's
supposed to be available around Spring 07, I think? What do you guys
think of it?

 
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:41:29 +0100, helena <[email protected]>
wrote:

> ...
> I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in London


URL?

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Land Rover - 110 V8
Discovery - V8
 
helena wrote:
> Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming
> new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in
> London - she and the Land Rover looked *great*! It seems kind of
> different from the other models in the Land Rover lineup - kind of
> like a more compact Range Rover Sport, I think. Seems like it will
> come with all kinds of neat features, I am especially interested in
> finding out more about this Terrain Response feature I read about
> in a blog. I read it's supposed to be available around Spring 07, I
> think? What do you guys think of it?


It looks, to me, like a steaming pile of horse****! What a watse of time & effort really. I'm sure it
will sell well enough ffs.


 
On 2006-07-10, helena <[email protected]> wrote:

> I am especially interested in finding out more about this Terrain
> Response feature I read about in a blog.


Why are you interested in this? If you want to off-road a vehicle,
then you need a lot more than just electronics, you need decent tyres
and decent ground clearance at least, both of which you won't get on a
vehicle like the freelander.

You can't tackle mud and rocky ground with a computer, you need the
right metal first and foremost and a road-going 4x4 just doesn't have
that. An intelligent traction control system can help once you've got
the right metal, but you need the metal first.

If you want to go off-road then try a vehicle designed for it, which
sadly land rover don't do any more other than the Defender, the
current other model line-up just isn't up to it, no matter how many
computers they put in them. They're too low to the ground, too long,
or too heavy.

People say that you'd be surprised what a freelander can do off-road,
that's not true though if you've done off-roading in a more capable
machine. I've seen them off-road and they're not impressive.

If you want to buy one then buy one, but don't worry about the terrain
response feature, it's largely irrelevant. It can't make it into a
good off-roader.

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On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:02:21 +0100, Ian Rawlings <[email protected]>
wrote:

> On 2006-07-10, helena <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I am especially interested in finding out more about this Terrain
>> Response feature I read about in a blog.


> ...
> If you want to buy one then buy one, but don't worry about the terrain
> response feature, it's largely irrelevant. It can't make it into a
> good off-roader.


Don't hold back mate - say what you really think.

--
William Tasso

Land Rover - 110 V8
Discovery - V8
 

"helena" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming new
> LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in London -
> she and the Land Rover looked *great*! It seems kind of different from
> the other models in the Land Rover lineup - kind of like a more compact
> Range Rover Sport, I think. Seems like it will come with all kinds of
> neat features, I am especially interested in finding out more about
> this Terrain Response feature I read about in a blog. I read it's
> supposed to be available around Spring 07, I think? What do you guys
> think of it?


Its quite different from the rest of the range as its the replacement for
the Freelander and a also little larger there is a full report in LRO July
edition or some info at the website
http://www.lro.com/nav?page=lroi.news.story&resource=5031659
NB this link is Land Rover's release info supply your own (large) pinch of
salt. Personally I'm quite impressed it should free up a lot of Disco's as
the footballers WAG's change over round these parts.
Derek


 
"Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> helena wrote:
> > Have you guys seen some of the stuff (pics, etc) about the upcoming
> > new LR2? I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in
> > London - she and the Land Rover looked *great*! It seems kind of
> > different from the other models in the Land Rover lineup - kind of
> > like a more compact Range Rover Sport, I think. Seems like it will
> > come with all kinds of neat features, I am especially interested in
> > finding out more about this Terrain Response feature I read about
> > in a blog. I read it's supposed to be available around Spring 07, I
> > think? What do you guys think of it?

>
> It looks, to me, like a steaming pile of horse****! What a watse of time

& effort really. I'm sure it
> will sell well enough ffs.
>


Looks like a Honda CRV to me, which you don't have to wait until 2007 to
have and is already tried and tested. Probably comes with a free horse too.
;-)

Steve


 
On 2006-07-11, Steve <[email protected]> wrote:

> Looks like a Honda CRV to me, which you don't have to wait until 2007 to
> have and is already tried and tested. Probably comes with a free horse too.
> ;-)


http://www.landroverusa.com/us/en/Vehicles/LR2/overview.htm

"Demo" video available, showing it parked in front of lots of nice
scenery, then driving along flat ground through more scenery.
Impressive off-roading whizz-bang computer thingy in action ;-)

Well there's money in pretending I suppose, not so much money to be
made in doing it for real, being as really doing things seems to be
out of fashion in favour of pretending to do things.

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"Ian Rawlings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2006-07-11, Steve <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Looks like a Honda CRV to me, which you don't have to wait until 2007 to
> > have and is already tried and tested. Probably comes with a free horse

too.
> > ;-)

>
> http://www.landroverusa.com/us/en/Vehicles/LR2/overview.htm
>
> "Demo" video available, showing it parked in front of lots of nice
> scenery, then driving along flat ground through more scenery.
> Impressive off-roading whizz-bang computer thingy in action ;-)
>
> Well there's money in pretending I suppose, not so much money to be
> made in doing it for real, being as really doing things seems to be
> out of fashion in favour of pretending to do things.
>


Indeed. We get to see it ..... errr ..... drive in a straight line along a
flat road. I smell Nige's horse!

Steve


 
Steve wrote:
> "Ian Rawlings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 2006-07-11, Steve <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like a Honda CRV to me, which you don't have to wait until
>>> 2007 to have and is already tried and tested. Probably comes with
>>> a free horse too. ;-)

>>
>> http://www.landroverusa.com/us/en/Vehicles/LR2/overview.htm
>>
>> "Demo" video available, showing it parked in front of lots of nice
>> scenery, then driving along flat ground through more scenery.
>> Impressive off-roading whizz-bang computer thingy in action ;-)
>>
>> Well there's money in pretending I suppose, not so much money to be
>> made in doing it for real, being as really doing things seems to be
>> out of fashion in favour of pretending to do things.
>>

>
> Indeed. We get to see it ..... errr ..... drive in a straight line
> along a flat road. I smell Nige's horse!
>
> Steve



And 'off road' at the sea-side.
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her doing it."

If the answer is offensive maybe the question was inappropriate

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On 2006-07-11, GbH <[email protected]> wrote:

> And 'off road' at the sea-side.


Did you see the way it tackled those pebbles! Amazing.

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William Tasso wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:41:29 +0100, helena <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > ...
> > I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in London

>
> URL?
>
> --
> William Tasso
>
> Land Rover - 110 V8
> Discovery - V8


Here's one - let me see if I can find the URL where I saw a group of
them.
http://www.allcarnews.com/inline.php?NewsID=574&ImageID=1

I think Maria looks *beautiful* - and I think she'll be an excellent
spokeswoman for Land Rover - she's very "it girl" when it comes to
tennis right now (she did very well at Wimbledon, too!) - and...I think
she seems to match up with the car well. I could totally see her
driving one, I actually think she drives one herself anyway, actually?
I also especially love how her dress matches the car. ;) I'll have to
check out the LR2 in person when I can. I wonder if they can match one
to *my* dress? :)

 

Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2006-07-10, helena <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I am especially interested in finding out more about this Terrain
> > Response feature I read about in a blog.

>
> Why are you interested in this? If you want to off-road a vehicle,
> then you need a lot more than just electronics, you need decent tyres
> and decent ground clearance at least, both of which you won't get on a
> vehicle like the freelander.
>
> You can't tackle mud and rocky ground with a computer, you need the
> right metal first and foremost and a road-going 4x4 just doesn't have
> that. An intelligent traction control system can help once you've got
> the right metal, but you need the metal first.
>
> If you want to go off-road then try a vehicle designed for it, which
> sadly land rover don't do any more other than the Defender, the
> current other model line-up just isn't up to it, no matter how many
> computers they put in them. They're too low to the ground, too long,
> or too heavy.
>
> People say that you'd be surprised what a freelander can do off-road,
> that's not true though if you've done off-roading in a more capable
> machine. I've seen them off-road and they're not impressive.
>
> If you want to buy one then buy one, but don't worry about the terrain
> response feature, it's largely irrelevant. It can't make it into a
> good off-roader.
>
> --
> Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!


I still think the Terrain response feature is pretty nifty and
innovative, and the thing is, I'd never really offroad that hardcore
with one anyway - and iirc, I think the Terrain Response will actually
adjust the chassis, etc, depending on what you're on - I feel like that
would help a lot. And, I just think that's neat. I think the
brilliance, from a marketing perspective, of the LR2 is that it is
meant appeal to people beyond a, shall we say, offroading base. I think
the LR2 is going to be one of those vehicles that would get people to
buy the Land Rover brand who might necessarily never have found one
appealing before - people who lieve in cities or urban areas who want
an SUV that can do actual SUV type things if they need or want it to,
but still works in an urban enviroment. I especially like all the extra
high tech features of it (keyless entry, Bluetooth, sat nav with a DVD
quality screen, etc) too. I think it will do very well. I'd like to
check one out myself, definitely, when they are out.

 
helena wrote:

|| I especially like all the extra high tech features of it (keyless
|| entry, etc) too.

Let's hope they get it better than Nissan did. I worked with a lady who had
a Micra, one of the newer ones that look like a squashed frog. She was in
the habit of checking the doors were locked before she left the car. So
she's get out and walk away, and <thunk> the doors would lock. She'd go
back towards the car to check, and <thunk> they would unlock again. She
could never be 100% sure the car was locked. It *should* have been, but...

It would drive me utterly mad. That one feature alone would stop me buying
the vehicle. As for Terrain Response (tm), if all it does is to reassure
city drivers that they *could* drive over ruts and mud if they wanted (oh,
and sand, mustn't forget sand), then why not just install a really shiny
tough looking knob on the transmission tunnel, label it Terrain Response
(tm) and leave it at that. It would save Land Rover thousands, and who
would ever know?

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On 2006-07-11, helena <[email protected]> wrote:

> I still think the Terrain response feature is pretty nifty and
> innovative, and the thing is, I'd never really offroad that hardcore
> with one anyway


What I was trying to say is that the terrain response won't make much
of a difference, it would be like trying to make a car go faster by
attaching a small propeller to the back and cranking it by hand.

> - and iirc, I think the Terrain Response will actually
> adjust the chassis, etc, depending on what you're on


The "chassis" won't be adjusted by anything other than the rocks that
whack it, you don't adjust chassis, all it can do is possibly raise
the suspension and put brakes on when a wheel starts spinning. That
helps a little but it won't make it a good off-roader.

> And, I just think that's neat.


That's the selling point, it's "neat", if almost entirely useless.
It's a gimmick, and that seems to sell to some people.

> I think the brilliance, from a marketing perspective, of the LR2 is
> that it is meant appeal to people beyond a, shall we say, offroading
> base.


OK, if you want the electronics then go for it, but don't worry about
the off-roading gimmicks, it's not an off-roader at all so just
concentrate on the other stuff that you're likely to use.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:27:25 +0100, helena <[email protected]>
wrote:

> William Tasso wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:41:29 +0100, helena <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > ...
>> > I saw some pictures of Maria Sharapova unveiling it in London

>>
>> URL?

>
> Here's one - let me see if I can find the URL where I saw a group of
> them.
> http://www.allcarnews.com/inline.php?NewsID=574&ImageID=1


I'd like to see how it performs after spending all day on the rough stuff
and rolling around in the mud.

> I think Maria looks *beautiful* - and I think she'll be an excellent
> spokeswoman for Land Rover - she's very "it girl" when it comes to
> tennis right now (she did very well at Wimbledon, too!) - ...


oh f'chris'sake, give it it a rest woman - this gushing marketing drivel
is making me sick.

> I wonder if they can match one
> to *my* dress? :)


URL?

--
William Tasso

Land Rover - 110 V8
Discovery - V8
 
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:58:16 +0100, Ian Rawlings <[email protected]>
wrote:

> On 2006-07-11, helena <[email protected]> wrote:


>> ...
>> And, I just think that's neat.

>
> That's the selling point, it's "neat", if almost entirely useless.
> It's a gimmick, and that seems to sell to some people.


I think you just described the 924 of off-roaders.

blow-wave with your rinse ma'am?

--
William Tasso

Land Rover - 110 V8
Discovery - V8
 
In message <[email protected]>
"helena" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Ian Rawlings wrote:
> > On 2006-07-10, helena <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > I am especially interested in finding out more about this Terrain
> > > Response feature I read about in a blog.

> >
> > Why are you interested in this? If you want to off-road a vehicle,
> > then you need a lot more than just electronics, you need decent tyres
> > and decent ground clearance at least, both of which you won't get on a
> > vehicle like the freelander.
> >
> > You can't tackle mud and rocky ground with a computer, you need the
> > right metal first and foremost and a road-going 4x4 just doesn't have
> > that. An intelligent traction control system can help once you've got
> > the right metal, but you need the metal first.
> >
> > If you want to go off-road then try a vehicle designed for it, which
> > sadly land rover don't do any more other than the Defender, the
> > current other model line-up just isn't up to it, no matter how many
> > computers they put in them. They're too low to the ground, too long,
> > or too heavy.
> >
> > People say that you'd be surprised what a freelander can do off-road,
> > that's not true though if you've done off-roading in a more capable
> > machine. I've seen them off-road and they're not impressive.
> >
> > If you want to buy one then buy one, but don't worry about the terrain
> > response feature, it's largely irrelevant. It can't make it into a
> > good off-roader.
> >
> > --
> > Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

>
> I still think the Terrain response feature is pretty nifty and
> innovative, and the thing is, I'd never really offroad that hardcore
> with one anyway - and iirc, I think the Terrain Response will actually
> adjust the chassis, etc, depending on what you're on - I feel like that
> would help a lot. And, I just think that's neat. I think the
> brilliance, from a marketing perspective, of the LR2 is that it is
> meant appeal to people beyond a, shall we say, offroading base. I think
> the LR2 is going to be one of those vehicles that would get people to
> buy the Land Rover brand who might necessarily never have found one
> appealing before - people who lieve in cities or urban areas who want
> an SUV that can do actual SUV type things if they need or want it to,
> but still works in an urban enviroment. I especially like all the extra
> high tech features of it (keyless entry, Bluetooth, sat nav with a DVD
> quality screen, etc) too. I think it will do very well. I'd like to
> check one out myself, definitely, when they are out.
>


In other words, as someone said about the original Freelander,
"it's a Land Rover for people who don't want a Land Rover".

Richard
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helena wrote:
> I still think the Terrain response feature is pretty nifty and
> innovative, and the thing is, I'd never really offroad that hardcore
> with one anyway - and iirc, I think the Terrain Response will actually
> adjust the chassis, etc, depending on what you're on - I feel like that
> would help a lot. And, I just think that's neat. I think the
> brilliance, from a marketing perspective, of the LR2 is that it is
> meant appeal to people beyond a, shall we say, offroading base. I think
> the LR2 is going to be one of those vehicles that would get people to
> buy the Land Rover brand who might necessarily never have found one
> appealing before - people who lieve in cities or urban areas who want
> an SUV that can do actual SUV type things if they need or want it to,
> but still works in an urban enviroment. I especially like all the extra
> high tech features of it (keyless entry, Bluetooth, sat nav with a DVD
> quality screen, etc) too. I think it will do very well. I'd like to
> check one out myself, definitely, when they are out.


Is this a wind-up? This reads more like a viral marketing campaign
that a sensible post. Oh, Helena is in marketing - hence the
incontinent stream of steaming verbage above.

You're talking to the wrong people luv. It's a bit like trying to sell
Yamahas to Harley fans.

 
helena wrote:

> ................. people who lieve in cities or urban areas who want
> an SUV that can do actual SUV type things


What is an SUV? Is it an acronym that we want to use here?
 
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