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Tom Woods

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The other day, as i was driving the mobile sauna that is my 101, I was
thinking how nice it would be to have a sunroof.

It looks like there may be space in the cab roof to fit 2 of those
pop-up glass sunroofs (like 50% of cars around in the 80's seems to
have had). I havent had a proper measure up yet, but i'm sure i can
fit atleast one in there!

Can anybody tell me anywhere where you can buy pop up sunroofs
designed for vehicles with flat rooves? Preferably cheap ones too! :)

Ive had a bit of a google, but havent yet found much, and am waiting
to hear back from what i did find..
 
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:56:44 +0100, Tom Woods <[email protected]>
wrote:

>The other day, as i was driving the mobile sauna that is my 101, I was
>thinking how nice it would be to have a sunroof.
>
>It looks like there may be space in the cab roof to fit 2 of those
>pop-up glass sunroofs (like 50% of cars around in the 80's seems to
>have had). I havent had a proper measure up yet, but i'm sure i can
>fit atleast one in there!
>
>Can anybody tell me anywhere where you can buy pop up sunroofs
>designed for vehicles with flat rooves? Preferably cheap ones too! :)
>

Is it an ambi? If so, remove the roof hatch in the rear, open the
windows between front and rear, and you should get a good airflow in
through the window.

Alex
 
In <[email protected]> Tom Woods wrote:
> The other day, as i was driving the mobile sauna that is my 101, I was
> thinking how nice it would be to have a sunroof.
>
> It looks like there may be space in the cab roof to fit 2 of those
> pop-up glass sunroofs (like 50% of cars around in the 80's seems to
> have had). I havent had a proper measure up yet, but i'm sure i can
> fit atleast one in there!
>
> Can anybody tell me anywhere where you can buy pop up sunroofs
> designed for vehicles with flat rooves? Preferably cheap ones too! :)
>
> Ive had a bit of a google, but havent yet found much, and am waiting
> to hear back from what i did find..

You could always buy a Land Rover one....

The military sun roof I fitted to mine cost about 80 quid, brand new,
genuine part. It comes complete with everything you need to fit it and
is pre-painted in NATO green.

The difference betweeen the military sunroof and the civillian one (
apart from nearly 200 quid) is that the tilt up panel (which you can
also remove completely) is metal rather than glass.

I can dig out the part number if you're interested or contact
Maddison4x4 and ask for the same sunroof that Dave White bought off them
earlier this year as they'll have it on the computer. I don't think it's
listed in the normal parts catalogues.

cheers

Dave W.
http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/
 
On or around Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:56:44 +0100, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>The other day, as i was driving the mobile sauna that is my 101, I was
>thinking how nice it would be to have a sunroof.
>
>It looks like there may be space in the cab roof to fit 2 of those
>pop-up glass sunroofs (like 50% of cars around in the 80's seems to
>have had). I havent had a proper measure up yet, but i'm sure i can
>fit atleast one in there!

rob 'em from 200-type discos, but the sods leak.

 
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:56:44 +0100, Tom Woods <[email protected]>
wrote:

>The other day, as i was driving the mobile sauna that is my 101, I was
>thinking how nice it would be to have a sunroof.
>
>It looks like there may be space in the cab roof to fit 2 of those
>pop-up glass sunroofs (like 50% of cars around in the 80's seems to
>have had). I havent had a proper measure up yet, but i'm sure i can
>fit atleast one in there!
>
>Can anybody tell me anywhere where you can buy pop up sunroofs
>designed for vehicles with flat rooves? Preferably cheap ones too! :)
>
>Ive had a bit of a google, but havent yet found much, and am waiting
>to hear back from what i did find..

I had exactly this thought a while back (which came to nowt as usual)
but I think you need a Webasto catalogue from memory.


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"Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The other day, as i was driving the mobile sauna that is my 101, I was
> thinking how nice it would be to have a sunroof.
>
> It looks like there may be space in the cab roof to fit 2 of those
> pop-up glass sunroofs (like 50% of cars around in the 80's seems to
> have had). I havent had a proper measure up yet, but i'm sure i can
> fit atleast one in there!
>
> Can anybody tell me anywhere where you can buy pop up sunroofs
> designed for vehicles with flat rooves? Preferably cheap ones too! :)
>
> Ive had a bit of a google, but havent yet found much, and am waiting
> to hear back from what i did find..

You need a Heki Rooflight.... Much better than a glass sunroof as you can
use it to access a tent fitted over your escape hatch. Should stop at least
one leak then ;-)

anyway your wondering what the heck a heki is... well here you go... can be
opened fully up, half opened or on vent... comes with fly screen and blind
which roll into each side so if it's real hot and you want some shade you
can roll out half the blind and half the fly screen as they clip together.

Many caravans come with them factory fitted now.

http://www.dometic.com/templates/Product,674,1342.aspx

Lee D

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& other such tinkerings.
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:37:22 GMT, Alex <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Is it an ambi? If so, remove the roof hatch in the rear, open the
>windows between front and rear, and you should get a good airflow in
>through the window.

Ive removed the center bulkhead, and usually take out the hatch too.
still gets too hot in there!


 
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 10:32:01 +0000 (UTC), Dave White
<[email protected]> wrote:

>You could always buy a Land Rover one....
>
>The military sun roof I fitted to mine cost about 80 quid, brand new,
>genuine part. It comes complete with everything you need to fit it and
>is pre-painted in NATO green.

I didnt know that landrover made proper sunroofs!. I will definately
have a look for one.

What sort of roof are they? Just the simple lift up/hinged glass type?


 
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 19:10:20 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On or around Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:56:44 +0100, Tom Woods
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>The other day, as i was driving the mobile sauna that is my 101, I was
>>thinking how nice it would be to have a sunroof.
>>
>>It looks like there may be space in the cab roof to fit 2 of those
>>pop-up glass sunroofs (like 50% of cars around in the 80's seems to
>>have had). I havent had a proper measure up yet, but i'm sure i can
>>fit atleast one in there!
>
>rob 'em from 200-type discos, but the sods leak.

Does the disco have a flat roof?. I have considered robbing off
another vehicle, but am assuming that most dont have flat rooves, so
i'll have fun making one seal in a 101..
 
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:28:46 +0100, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I had exactly this thought a while back (which came to nowt as usual)
>but I think you need a Webasto catalogue from memory.

Have found their website, and they make em!. no prices on it though.
will try and find a dealer.
 
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:29:01 GMT, "Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote:

>You need a Heki Rooflight.... Much better than a glass sunroof as you can
>use it to access a tent fitted over your escape hatch. Should stop at least
>one leak then ;-)

I was considering getting a tent and cutting a big hole in the bottom
so that i could enter it through the roof hatch! :)

>anyway your wondering what the heck a heki is... well here you go... can be
>opened fully up, half opened or on vent... comes with fly screen and blind
>which roll into each side so if it's real hot and you want some shade you
>can roll out half the blind and half the fly screen as they clip together.
>
>Many caravans come with them factory fitted now.
>
>http://www.dometic.com/templates/Product,674,1342.aspx

They look expensive!. nice though!
>
>Lee D

 
"Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> I was considering getting a tent and cutting a big hole in the bottom
> so that i could enter it through the roof hatch! :)

Yep... only downside is the loss of floorspace.

>
>>anyway your wondering what the heck a heki is... well here you go... can
>>be
>>opened fully up, half opened or on vent... comes with fly screen and blind
>>which roll into each side so if it's real hot and you want some shade you
>>can roll out half the blind and half the fly screen as they clip together.
>>
>>Many caravans come with them factory fitted now.
>>
>>http://www.dometic.com/templates/Product,674,1342.aspx
>
> They look expensive!. nice though!

Aye... check any roof before fitting to make sure it's flat... or it will
leak very soon after fitting if not immediately.. Even the Disco roof has a
cure. Unless you get a roof where the glass can be removed I don't think
it's going to make that much difference to the circulation. What ever you
fit will be pretty permenant unless you rivet a new pannel on so give it
some serious thought before getting the tin opener out.

>>
>>Lee D
>


 
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:38:11 GMT, "Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote:

>>>Many caravans come with them factory fitted now.
>>>
>>>http://www.dometic.com/templates/Product,674,1342.aspx
>>
>> They look expensive!. nice though!
>
>Aye... check any roof before fitting to make sure it's flat... or it will
>leak very soon after fitting if not immediately.. Even the Disco roof has a
>cure. Unless you get a roof where the glass can be removed I don't think
>it's going to make that much difference to the circulation. What ever you
>fit will be pretty permenant unless you rivet a new pannel on so give it
>some serious thought before getting the tin opener out.

I dont know. The lift up sunroof in the hardop for my landy made a lot
of difference (it wouldnt remove as i had a roof rack over it!)

I think a sunroof, just lifted at the back sort of sucks the air out
of the vehicle somewhat and makes it cooler.

I would prefer one that comes all the way out though.
 
On or around Sun, 12 Sep 2004 23:03:28 +0100, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 19:10:20 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On or around Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:56:44 +0100, Tom Woods
>><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>The other day, as i was driving the mobile sauna that is my 101, I was
>>>thinking how nice it would be to have a sunroof.
>>>
>>>It looks like there may be space in the cab roof to fit 2 of those
>>>pop-up glass sunroofs (like 50% of cars around in the 80's seems to
>>>have had). I havent had a proper measure up yet, but i'm sure i can
>>>fit atleast one in there!
>>
>>rob 'em from 200-type discos, but the sods leak.
>
>Does the disco have a flat roof?. I have considered robbing off
>another vehicle, but am assuming that most dont have flat rooves, so
>i'll have fun making one seal in a 101..

fecker doesn't seal anyway. but yer right, 's not completely flat. I could
if I remember lay a straightedge across the glass and see if it it or isn't.

I'd have thought that the rear roof on the disco was pretty flat though.
 
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:54:20 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>>rob 'em from 200-type discos, but the sods leak.
>>
>>Does the disco have a flat roof?. I have considered robbing off
>>another vehicle, but am assuming that most dont have flat rooves, so
>>i'll have fun making one seal in a 101..
>
>fecker doesn't seal anyway. but yer right, 's not completely flat. I could
>if I remember lay a straightedge across the glass and see if it it or isn't.
>
>I'd have thought that the rear roof on the disco was pretty flat though.

What does the sunroof on the disco look like?. is it just a glass
slift up/removable one, but larger?
I need to go find some discos to look at!
 
On or around Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:09:42 +0100, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:54:20 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>>rob 'em from 200-type discos, but the sods leak.
>>>
>>>Does the disco have a flat roof?. I have considered robbing off
>>>another vehicle, but am assuming that most dont have flat rooves, so
>>>i'll have fun making one seal in a 101..
>>
>>fecker doesn't seal anyway. but yer right, 's not completely flat. I could
>>if I remember lay a straightedge across the glass and see if it it or isn't.
>>
>>I'd have thought that the rear roof on the disco was pretty flat though.
>
>What does the sunroof on the disco look like?. is it just a glass
>slift up/removable one, but larger?
>I need to go find some discos to look at!

early (200-type) discos have a glass panel lift/remove affair in the front
and a lift-but-not-remove in the back. Screws down on to a rubber alleged
seal with a big knob at the back edge.


 
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 10:32:01 +0000 (UTC), Dave White
<[email protected]> wrote:

>The military sun roof I fitted to mine cost about 80 quid, brand new,
>genuine part. It comes complete with everything you need to fit it and
>is pre-painted in NATO green.

How do these work Dave?

I'd like one with full, forward or rear elevations. Forward to act as
a scoop (similar to the vent Neil Lawson* has in his Radio Bodied 101)
to force air in and down on me whilst driving, full for 'parked up'
ventilation, and rear for light ventilation.

Does that make sense??? :)

I like the idea of metal as it's more secure and I'm not arsed about
looking up whilst trying to avoid suicidal white-van-tosser-man...


* Neil was at Peterborough and reckons the forward opening vents were
better than his aircon unit - which does kind of make sense.


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> I think a sunroof, just lifted at the back sort of sucks the air out
> of the vehicle somewhat and makes it cooler.
>
> I would prefer one that comes all the way out though.

Tom

2 other solutions -

Roger Hill-cottingham has adapted his windows in the door so he can slide
the front section as well and that is very good at drawing air out of the
cab

Or

checkout neil lawsons truck on www.enableafrica.net i think, he has made 2
hatches which open at the front to force air into the cab

Rich


 
In <[email protected]> Mother wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 10:32:01 +0000 (UTC), Dave White
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>The military sun roof I fitted to mine cost about 80 quid, brand new,
>>genuine part. It comes complete with everything you need to fit it and
>>is pre-painted in NATO green.
>
> How do these work Dave?

They are exactly the same as the glass ones, just have an aluminium
panel instead of a glass one. The front is hinged and the back has a
handle that you use to tilt the back up. If you unclip the handle you
can lift the panel even further up and the hinges at the front then
dislocate so you can remove the panel completely.


> I'd like one with full, forward or rear elevations. Forward to act as
> a scoop (similar to the vent Neil Lawson* has in his Radio Bodied 101)
> to force air in and down on me whilst driving, full for 'parked up'
> ventilation, and rear for light ventilation.
>
> Does that make sense??? :)

Sounds a bit like a caravan air vent... I've not seen anything like that
fitted to a vehicle though.

The best vents I've ever used were from a Series Safari Roof. They are
quite small and we used to have one over the drivers seat and one over
the navigators seat when we were doing hill rallies. They are only about
5 inches wide and 10 inches long (from memory). I suppose you could
mount two of them side by side - one facing each way.

I'm pretty sure I've got some in the shed somewhere if you want to see
some pictures. They'll fit into any flat roof panel. I suppose you COULD
mount one into a metal sunroof panel to achieve all the options you want...

> I like the idea of metal as it's more secure and I'm not arsed about
> looking up whilst trying to avoid suicidal white-van-tosser-man...

Glass sunroofs also make the car hotter if it's parked in the sun. They
also have a nasty habit of shattering when you roll your vehicle onto
it's roof (although I guess that's less likely to be a problem with
Grumble :)) which is why MSA regs don't allow glass sun roofs for speed
events.

cheers

Dave W.
http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/
 
In <[email protected]> Tom Woods wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 10:32:01 +0000 (UTC), Dave White
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>You could always buy a Land Rover one....
>>
>>The military sun roof I fitted to mine cost about 80 quid, brand new,
>>genuine part. It comes complete with everything you need to fit it and
>>is pre-painted in NATO green.
>
> I didnt know that landrover made proper sunroofs!. I will definately
> have a look for one.
>
> What sort of roof are they? Just the simple lift up/hinged glass type?

There are a number of different glass ones fitted to Defenders but they
are all the same size and are all simple hinged types. The glass ones
cost over 200 quid IIRC, the military style metal one is identical in
every other way to a glass one and costs 80 quid (ish).

cheers

Dave W.
http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/
 
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