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Hi all.
just wanting some advise. well its just stupid I should infact face facts.

long story short I have been building my ser 3 for well over a year started
out as a simple repair job to put back on the road and have a bit of fun
in!!!!!!! Ahh

Here we go we have all heard this one before!
And on it went, it was a minger!

Took me 3 months to rebuild the chassis.
The engine seemed Ok thou!!!!!

well 12+ months on and the engine is stuffed it smokes like a train.

I'm feeling rather sad about it all and have spent a couple of grand on the
rebuild and no the
engine needs doing to. I have run out of money!!

Any ideas for a quick fix to maybe get an mot?

anyway thanks for reading my sad tale.

Austin.





 
On or around Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:16:19 -0000, "Austin."
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Hi all.
>just wanting some advise. well its just stupid I should infact face facts.

hello. this should get nicely confusing...


what colour smoke, and under what conditions?
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Something there is that doesn't love a wall."
Robert Frost (1874-1963)
 
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:16:19 -0000, "Austin." <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Hi all.
>just wanting some advise. well its just stupid I should infact face facts.
>
>long story short I have been building my ser 3 for well over a year started
>out as a simple repair job to put back on the road and have a bit of fun
>in!!!!!!! Ahh
>
>Here we go we have all heard this one before!
>And on it went, it was a minger!
>
>Took me 3 months to rebuild the chassis.
>The engine seemed Ok thou!!!!!
>
>well 12+ months on and the engine is stuffed it smokes like a train.
>
>I'm feeling rather sad about it all and have spent a couple of grand on the
>rebuild and no the
>engine needs doing to. I have run out of money!!
>

I know where you are, my IIa that i rebuilt last year, well, 2004
acually, (engine seemed fine......) is showing signs of trouble,
particuraly valve trouble. And i've got no money for a new head
either, let alone the new dizzy that i think it's going to need as
well.

Alex
 
blue smoke under idle and load.


That done it hasn't it? tell me had it.


"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:16:19 -0000, "Austin."
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Hi all.
>>just wanting some advise. well its just stupid I should infact face facts.
>
> hello. this should get nicely confusing...
>
>
> what colour smoke, and under what conditions?
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> "Something there is that doesn't love a wall."
> Robert Frost (1874-1963)


 
I don't we like our old tubs so much do you?
It costs us a fortune.
I haven't even driven mine yet. don't know what to expect.

never mind keep plodding on.......


Austin.

"Alex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:16:19 -0000, "Austin." <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
> I know where you are, my IIa that i rebuilt last year, well, 2004
> acually, (engine seemed fine......) is showing signs of trouble,
> particuraly valve trouble. And i've got no money for a new head
> either, let alone the new dizzy that i think it's going to need as
> well.
>
> Alex


 
If it were me the first thing to do would be get the engine running as best
as you can, ie. set the timing and adjust the carburator, then cover the
radiator front with some cooking foil and run the engine at mid revs and see
what smoke is there when it gets good and warm.
May just be stuck piston rings which may free up once it becomes warm.
At least that won't cost much.
Next would be to pull the head off and have a look.
Depending on what you find, it may be simpler to get a servisable lump and
replace it, the last time I needed one cost 30 quid.
Because they produce little in the way of horse power they are not over
stressed so you have a better than average chance of getting a servisable
unit for peanuts.


 
Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:16:19 -0000, "Austin."
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Hi all.
>>just wanting some advise. well its just stupid I should infact face facts.
>
> hello. this should get nicely confusing...

I think it will. I think Austin The Interloper should be renamed
British Leyland or summat when posting here to save the confusion. :)


--
EMB
 
On or around Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:55:39 -0000, "mham" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>blue smoke under idle and load.
>
>
>That done it hasn't it? tell me had it.
>

well... could be sticky rings. I'm assuming it's a diesel, BTW. Could be
worn bores or dodgy valve guides, as well.

It could be running slightly rich, I suppose.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Festina Lente" (Hasten slowly) Suetonius (c.70-c.140) Augustus, 25
 
> If it were me the first thing to do would be get the engine running as
best
> as you can, ie. set the timing and adjust the carburator,

Ah, is it petrol then Austin or diesel?
TonyB


 
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:16:19 -0000, "Austin." <[email protected]>
wrote:

>well 12+ months on and the engine is stuffed it smokes like a train.
>
>I'm feeling rather sad about it all and have spent a couple of grand on the
>rebuild and no the
>engine needs doing to. I have run out of money!!

It doesnt cost that much to rebuild a landrover engine if you do it
yourself.

>Any ideas for a quick fix to maybe get an mot?

If its old and only has a visual test then perhaps take it for an MOT
on a day when its very thick fog :)


 
Its diesel.
I will try and get it red hot and see what happens.


"TonyB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> If it were me the first thing to do would be get the engine running as
> best
>> as you can, ie. set the timing and adjust the carburator,
>
> Ah, is it petrol then Austin or diesel?
> TonyB
>
>



 
How old does it have to be for a visual test only then?

mines an 83..

Austin.
"Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:16:19 -0000, "Austin." <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>well 12+ months on and the engine is stuffed it smokes like a train.
>>
>>I'm feeling rather sad about it all and have spent a couple of grand on
>>the
>>rebuild and no the
>>engine needs doing to. I have run out of money!!
>
> It doesnt cost that much to rebuild a landrover engine if you do it
> yourself.
>
>>Any ideas for a quick fix to maybe get an mot?
>
> If its old and only has a visual test then perhaps take it for an MOT
> on a day when its very thick fog :)
>
>



 
On or around Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:19:10 -0000, "Austin"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>How old does it have to be for a visual test only then?
>
>mines an 83..

1970-summat, I think... hangon, it's online somewhere.

http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual/contents.htm

here's the bit for older compression ignition engines -

testing procedure:

A. Vehicles first used before 1 August 1979

Where possible check that:
.. there is sufficient oil in the engine
.. the oil pressure Is not too low
.. there is no abnormal engine noise
.. the governor has not been tampered
with
.. the engine is at normal operating temperature

(see Information column)

Raise the engine speed to around 2500 rpm, or half the maximum engine speed
if this is lower
Hold this speed steady for 30 seconds to ensure that the inlet and exhaust
system is fully purged

Allow the engine to return to idle and the emissions to stabilise

1. Assess the smoke emitted from the
tailpipe

2. Rapidly increase the engine speed to around 2500rpm or half the maximum
engine speed if this is lower and assess the smoke emitted from the tailpipe
during acceleration

Reasons for rejection (fail):

A. Vehicles first used before 1 August 1979

1. The exhaust emits dense blue or clearly visible black smoke for a period
of 5 seconds at idle

2. The exhaust emits dense blue or clearly visible black smoke during
acceleration which would obscure the view of other road users

Note: The criterion is density and not volume of smoke. The description
'dense smoke' includes smoke or vapour which largely obscures vision

Older vehicles, particularly pre-1960, sometimes emit unavoidable smoke due
to their design. Such smoke is not a reason for rejection
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"If you cannot mould yourself as you would wish, how can you expect
other people to be entirely to your liking?"
Thomas À Kempis (1380 - 1471) Imitation of Christ, I.xvi.
 
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:19:10 -0000, "Austin" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>How old does it have to be for a visual test only then?
>
>mines an 83..

Like mr Shakles says (There are too many Austins in this thread!),
yours is too new for that.

I doubt you'd get it through with it creating blue smoke anyway. Grey
smoke maybe (if an engine has sat for a long time that often clears up
after you drive it a bit)

 
On or around Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:31:23 +0000, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:19:10 -0000, "Austin" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>How old does it have to be for a visual test only then?
>>
>>mines an 83..
>
>Like mr Shakles says (There are too many Austins in this thread!),
>yours is too new for that.
>
>I doubt you'd get it through with it creating blue smoke anyway. Grey
>smoke maybe (if an engine has sat for a long time that often clears up
>after you drive it a bit)

depends... if it passes the smoke test, the blue smoke mustn't be so dense
as to block the view of the bloke behind.

if it doesn't pass the smoke test you may have problems - you might be able
to get a letter saying that it smoked when new, or somesuch. Not sure that
they actually changed anything post-79 in the way of fuel system or air
cleaners or any such.

There are options to avoid testing things that wouldn't have passed when
new, at least for petrol engines.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"My centre is giving way, my right is in retreat; situation excellent.
I shall attack. - Marshal Foch (1851 - 1929)
 
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:19:54 +0000, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On or around Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:31:23 +0000, Tom Woods
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:19:10 -0000, "Austin" <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>How old does it have to be for a visual test only then?
>>>
>>>mines an 83..
>>
>>Like mr Shakles says (There are too many Austins in this thread!),
>>yours is too new for that.
>>
>>I doubt you'd get it through with it creating blue smoke anyway. Grey
>>smoke maybe (if an engine has sat for a long time that often clears up
>>after you drive it a bit)
>
>depends... if it passes the smoke test, the blue smoke mustn't be so dense
>as to block the view of the bloke behind.

When i first got my 2A MOT'd it was smoking a lot (grey smoke) - but
my engine had sat for a couple of years.

The MOT tester said it was probably smoking too much - but when told
that the engine had sat for a few years and there was only so much
driving round the garden i could do in it to try and get the injector
cleaner through he admitted that there wasnt much i could do and
passed it. It did clear up after a bit of proper driving on the road.

Blue smoke implies that something really is properly wrong inside the
engine and it needs atleast partially stripping to fix it. Its
unlikely to get any better on its own unlike grey smoke which can
clear up with some driving.

>if it doesn't pass the smoke test you may have problems - you might be able
>to get a letter saying that it smoked when new, or somesuch. Not sure that
>they actually changed anything post-79 in the way of fuel system or air
>cleaners or any such.

Barring really old stuff (pre landrover) and 2 stroke's is there
anything that should have smoked much when it was new?


 
My dad used to have a series 2a a long time ago. Blue smoke all the time. Stripped head off and found that someone in the REME had not fitted any valve stem seals. The carefully prepared replacement head, valves etc was fitted. We de-coked it too BTW. It was the bollox after that! Got another 15 years out of it.

Still have the old 2a, but it is 'resting' at the moment.
 
On or around Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:18:01 +0000, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:19:54 +0000, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>The MOT tester said it was probably smoking too much - but when told
>that the engine had sat for a few years and there was only so much
>driving round the garden i could do in it to try and get the injector
>cleaner through he admitted that there wasnt much i could do and
>passed it. It did clear up after a bit of proper driving on the road.

You can dump injector cleaner into the fuel filter housing...

>>if it doesn't pass the smoke test you may have problems - you might be able
>>to get a letter saying that it smoked when new, or somesuch. Not sure that
>>they actually changed anything post-79 in the way of fuel system or air
>>cleaners or any such.
>
>Barring really old stuff (pre landrover) and 2 stroke's is there
>anything that should have smoked much when it was new?

well, the comment is really aimed at the things that don't pass the later
emissions tests due to being an earlier design. As indeed is the 2.25D land
rover, as sold until early 110s in about 1984.

Blue smoke from a 2.25D is very common - rather depends how much.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Something there is that doesn't love a wall."
Robert Frost (1874-1963)
 
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