Slightly OT - Buying a trailer for my Discovery

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Hi all,

I'm about to start looking for 4 wheeled trailer that will be able to
carry a vehicle up to a 110 size/weight.

It'll be towed by my 300tdi Discovery.

What should I be looking for when I find one?
Do they have a 'VIN' plate/paperwork on them - How will I know it's not
been nicked if not?
Does anyone know of any dealers local to East Herts?

Sorry if these questions seem a little obvious - I've never bought one
before and can't find anything who has..

Thanks
Gavin

 
Hi Gavin,

What is the weight of the 110 ?

You will then need to know is the gross train weight ( thats the total of
the towing vehicle, the trailer, and the load) I cannot remember what the
disco is.

I would poss look for a three axle trailer !

Dont normally have paperwork unless its a Ifor Williams then theres are
regestered

The only other thing are you using it for commercial purposes ? if so you
will need a tachograph !

Steve.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm about to start looking for 4 wheeled trailer that will be able to
> carry a vehicle up to a 110 size/weight.
>
> It'll be towed by my 300tdi Discovery.
>
> What should I be looking for when I find one?
> Do they have a 'VIN' plate/paperwork on them - How will I know it's not
> been nicked if not?
> Does anyone know of any dealers local to East Herts?
>
> Sorry if these questions seem a little obvious - I've never bought one
> before and can't find anything who has..
>
> Thanks
> Gavin
>



 
[email protected] came up with the following;:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm about to start looking for 4 wheeled trailer that will be able to
> carry a vehicle up to a 110 size/weight.
>
> It'll be towed by my 300tdi Discovery.
>
> What should I be looking for when I find one?
> Do they have a 'VIN' plate/paperwork on them - How will I know it's not
> been nicked if not?
> Does anyone know of any dealers local to East Herts?
>
> Sorry if these questions seem a little obvious - I've never bought one
> before and can't find anything who has..


Can't help directly, but beware of buying a 'converted' caravan chassis,
especially a new looking one. A mate of mine found out, the hard way, that
caravan chassis are not really up to carrying another vehicle unless
substantially, and correctly, beefed up.

Look for an Ifor Williams, they can be registered, I dunno if any others
are.

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!

 
so [email protected] was, like...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm about to start looking for 4 wheeled trailer that will be able to
> carry a vehicle up to a 110 size/weight.
>
> It'll be towed by my 300tdi Discovery.
>
> What should I be looking for when I find one?
> Do they have a 'VIN' plate/paperwork on them - How will I know it's
> not been nicked if not?
> Does anyone know of any dealers local to East Herts?
>
> Sorry if these questions seem a little obvious - I've never bought one
> before and can't find anything who has..
>
> Thanks
> Gavin


Don't know if this is any help, but I have a Brian James A-series twin-axle,
which carries a 110 easily. I think the load limit on mine is 2500kg. The
trailer itself is about 500kg, so it's all well within a LR's towing limits.
Well made, easy to use, good quality kit. AFAIK, they don't have a VIN as
such, but they are plated with max loads etc. Only problem is that with
twin axles it needs to ride level, and my towhitch was too high, so I had to
get an adjustable hitch bracket. Got it nearly new for a grand on eBay -
money well spent, and I would buy the same again. They are also really
helpful on the phone.

The only way you will know that it's not nicked is to buy new. Otherwise,
the usual precautions apply.

http://www.brianjames-europe.com/uk/default.html - although it seems the
A-series has been updated with a new range.

HTH

--
Rich
==============================
Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)


 
In news:[email protected],
[email protected] <[email protected]> blithered:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm about to start looking for 4 wheeled trailer that will be able to
> carry a vehicle up to a 110 size/weight.
>
> It'll be towed by my 300tdi Discovery.
>
> What should I be looking for when I find one?
> Do they have a 'VIN' plate/paperwork on them - How will I know it's
> not been nicked if not?
> Does anyone know of any dealers local to East Herts?
>
> Sorry if these questions seem a little obvious - I've never bought one
> before and can't find anything who has..
>
> Thanks
> Gavin


You could do worse than look on ebay. Specify car transporter under category cars
othervehicles trailers.

You'll probably get VWs but you can refine the search to exclude them.


--
"He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt her doing it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!



 

"Richard Brookman" wrote >>
>
> Don't know if this is any help, but I have a Brian James A-series
> twin-axle, which carries a 110 easily. I think the load limit on mine is
> 2500kg. The trailer itself is about 500kg, so it's all well within a LR's
> towing limits. Well made, easy to use, good quality kit. AFAIK, they
> don't have a VIN as such, but they are plated with max loads etc. Only
> problem is that with twin axles it needs to ride level, and my towhitch
> was too high, so I had to get an adjustable hitch bracket. Got it nearly
> new for a grand on eBay - money well spent, and I would buy the same
> again. They are also really helpful on the phone.
>
> The only way you will know that it's not nicked is to buy new. Otherwise,
> the usual precautions apply.
>
> http://www.brianjames-europe.com/uk/default.html - although it seems the
> A-series has been updated with a new range.
>

Richards comments about the towing hitch height is important, I was recently
given a trailer but it's for a low car hitch not a 90 so it would ride at a
crazy angle and tip everything out the back. Got to pass it onto someone
else, shame.

--
Regards
Bob
1974 S111 SWB 2.25 petrol Hardtop (For Sale)
1987 90 2.5 petrol Hardtop


 

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm about to start looking for 4 wheeled trailer that will be able to
> carry a vehicle up to a 110 size/weight.
>
> It'll be towed by my 300tdi Discovery.
>
> What should I be looking for when I find one?


Don't buy anything "home-made" or converted from a caravan chassis - it
won't be up to the job.

Be wary of trailers with rubber suspension (indespension, Avonride,
etc). The engineering of these suspensions is crude, and once they
start failing the wheel alignment goes to pot and they wear tyres out
very quickly. Ifor Williams used to use multi-leaf springs, and now use
parabolics. My next trailer will be an Ifor Williams.

Wheel bearings have a hard life, and often seem minimally-specified.
Taper rollers are usually wrongly adjusted, inadequately maintained, and
can fail spectacularly and rapidly. Brake parts are ludicrously
expensive, even simple bits like shoes. If a trailer has been neglected
(most have), the hitch can be badly worn, both the coupling head and the
shaft.

Car transporter trailers usually need to use proper, commercial tyres,
not a few odd 155x13s that weren't quite good enough for the Escort.
Learn about load ratings (the "94" or whatever bit in the tyre size) and
use at least a high enough rating for the load you're imposing. A
disadvantage of the "wheels-under" layout is that tyre sizes tend to be
a bit odd, and may be relatively hard to find and expensive, but if
trailer storage is a problem, they are a bit narrower than the "wheels
outboard" type, which are usually 7'6" wide.

Tiltbed trailers are easy to load, but as you're towing with a Disco,
watch out for where the tilt mechanism (or other gubbins such as the
winch) sits in relation to the Disco rear door. I imagine it's quite
frustrating to have to unhitch the trailer if you need to load anything
sizeable into the Disco. That's an advantage of Rangeys.

I find the low sides on my Bateson tiltbed give me a bit more confidence
in the security of the load, particularly when I'm carrying something
close to maximum width, but they can call for a bit more ingenuity if
you're using the trailer for more general purposes.

Make sure there are enough strap hooks for securing the load (the
Bateson is poor for this) and always secure the load's wheels or axles,
never to anything above the suspension.

> Do they have a 'VIN' plate/paperwork on them - How will I know it's
> not
> been nicked if not?


All trailers should have a maker's plate with an id and maximum weight
details, but there's no equivalent of a V5. If it's not got a plate,
it's probably nicked. Since this is supposed to be so common, it's
worth thinking about your own security precautions.

> Does anyone know of any dealers local to East Herts?
>

Nope, sorry. Try Yellow pages, and perhaps consider an ex-hire one.

Last thought - make sure you're OK with the laws on towing - max speeds,
lighting, and so on.


--
Kevin Poole
**Use current month and year to reply (e.g. [email protected])***
Car Transport by Tiltbed Trailer - based near Derby

 
In message <[email protected]>
"RADIOTWO" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Gavin,
>
> What is the weight of the 110 ?
>
> You will then need to know is the gross train weight ( thats the total of
> the towing vehicle, the trailer, and the load) I cannot remember what the
> disco is.
>
> I would poss look for a three axle trailer !
>
> Dont normally have paperwork unless its a Ifor Williams then theres are
> regestered
>
> The only other thing are you using it for commercial purposes ? if so you
> will need a tachograph !
>


That depends on how you use it. It you were (for example) taking a
mini-digger to a site, using it for your work, and then taking it
back to base/next job then no tacho is required. If you drop the
digger off then go somewhere else and return later to pick it up
then you do need a tacho.
What happens if you privately own the trailer and move things around
for yourself is anybodys guess. The above info came from (I think)
the FSB news letter - and the gist of the article was the whole
area (unless you are a plant-hire firm or something) is completely
clouded, foggy and has poor visibility. You don't (apparently) need
a tacho for a horse trailer as it's assumed you are moving your
own horse(s), and you don't need one to take cattle to market, but
you may need one if you are moving hay/straw/haylege etc.

The best bet is to get a written statement from someone official
regarding your use for your trailer and hope that will put off
the men from the Ministry when they stop you.

Richard

> Steve.
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm about to start looking for 4 wheeled trailer that will be able to
> > carry a vehicle up to a 110 size/weight.
> >
> > It'll be towed by my 300tdi Discovery.
> >
> > What should I be looking for when I find one?
> > Do they have a 'VIN' plate/paperwork on them - How will I know it's not
> > been nicked if not?
> > Does anyone know of any dealers local to East Herts?
> >
> > Sorry if these questions seem a little obvious - I've never bought one
> > before and can't find anything who has..
> >
> > Thanks
> > Gavin
> >

>
>


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On or around 19 May 2005 06:39:10 -0700, [email protected]
enlightened us thusly:

>Hi all,
>
>I'm about to start looking for 4 wheeled trailer that will be able to
>carry a vehicle up to a 110 size/weight.
>
>It'll be towed by my 300tdi Discovery.
>
>What should I be looking for when I find one?
>Do they have a 'VIN' plate/paperwork on them - How will I know it's not
>been nicked if not?
>Does anyone know of any dealers local to East Herts?


I've noticed that my big trailer (which will carry a disco or 110) is
noticeably less stable behind the disco than it was behind the 110. I
reckon it's to do with the relationship between overhang and wheelbase - the
disco is longer overhang and shorter wheelbase.

Once I set up the new vehicle (hopefully be collecting it tomorrow) to tow
it, I can report what it's like behind that...

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"
George Orwell (1903 - 1950) Animal Farm
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around 19 May 2005 06:39:10 -0700, [email protected]
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I'm about to start looking for 4 wheeled trailer that will be able to
>>carry a vehicle up to a 110 size/weight.
>>
>>It'll be towed by my 300tdi Discovery.
>>
>>What should I be looking for when I find one?
>>Do they have a 'VIN' plate/paperwork on them - How will I know it's not
>>been nicked if not?
>>Does anyone know of any dealers local to East Herts?

>
> I've noticed that my big trailer (which will carry a disco or 110) is
> noticeably less stable behind the disco than it was behind the 110. I
> reckon it's to do with the relationship between overhang and wheelbase -
> the disco is longer overhang and shorter wheelbase.
>
> Once I set up the new vehicle (hopefully be collecting it tomorrow) to tow
> it, I can report what it's like behind that...
>


New Vehicle? What dod you get in the end?

P.
--
1992 200 TDI Disco - heavily modified
1982 V8 Range Rover - heavily corroded
2000 Rover 75 - heavily driven
1993 Lexus LS400 - just plain heavy on fuel
 
In message <[email protected]>
[email protected] wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm about to start looking for 4 wheeled trailer that will be able to
> carry a vehicle up to a 110 size/weight.
>
> It'll be towed by my 300tdi Discovery.
>
> What should I be looking for when I find one?
> Do they have a 'VIN' plate/paperwork on them - How will I know it's not
> been nicked if not?
> Does anyone know of any dealers local to East Herts?
>
> Sorry if these questions seem a little obvious - I've never bought one
> before and can't find anything who has..
>
> Thanks
> Gavin
>


Ifor Williams do a three-axle trailer that will take a 110 - they
are perfect for the job. Their dealers do s/h ones as well.
Large trailers are much sort after - if someone offers you a good
one cheap then be suspicious, *very* suspicious.

Richard
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On or around Fri, 20 May 2005 12:37:02 +0100, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> On or around 19 May 2005 06:39:10 -0700, [email protected]
>> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>I'm about to start looking for 4 wheeled trailer that will be able to
>>>carry a vehicle up to a 110 size/weight.
>>>
>>>It'll be towed by my 300tdi Discovery.
>>>
>>>What should I be looking for when I find one?
>>>Do they have a 'VIN' plate/paperwork on them - How will I know it's not
>>>been nicked if not?
>>>Does anyone know of any dealers local to East Herts?

>>
>> I've noticed that my big trailer (which will carry a disco or 110) is
>> noticeably less stable behind the disco than it was behind the 110. I
>> reckon it's to do with the relationship between overhang and wheelbase -
>> the disco is longer overhang and shorter wheelbase.
>>
>> Once I set up the new vehicle (hopefully be collecting it tomorrow) to tow
>> it, I can report what it's like behind that...
>>

>
>New Vehicle? What dod you get in the end?


13-seater LDV convoy - transit diesel engine and box, twin rear wheel, short
wheelbase (compared with the 17 seater, that is). S reg, 44K miles from
new, direct from the MOD.

the only things against it were I might, one day, maybe want more than 13
seats, and it's not a turbo engine. However... there's always the
possibility of fitting a 2.9 V6 and gassing it. Or even gassing the 2.5
NAD.

the transit Di is quite a grunty engine anyway, though - "proper" diesel
with rafts of low-end torque.


--
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"You praise the firm restraint with which they write -_
I'm with you there, of course: They use the snaffle and the bit
alright, but where's the bloody horse? - Roy Campbell (1902-1957)
 
On Fri, 20 May 2005 08:06:02 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> The only other thing are you using it for commercial purposes ? if so you
>> will need a tachograph !
>>

>
>That depends on how you use it. It you were (for example) taking a
>mini-digger to a site, using it for your work, and then taking it
>back to base/next job then no tacho is required. If you drop the
>digger off then go somewhere else and return later to pick it up
>then you do need a tacho.


Is this under the bit about carrying tools necessary for work? I've
never really been sure about this when towing my small tractor.

>What happens if you privately own the trailer and move things around
>for yourself is anybodys guess. The above info came from (I think)
>the FSB news letter - and the gist of the article was the whole


FSB?

>area (unless you are a plant-hire firm or something) is completely
>clouded, foggy and has poor visibility. You don't (apparently) need
>a tacho for a horse trailer as it's assumed you are moving your
>own horse(s),


Yes private use is exempt from operator's license or tacho.

>and you don't need one to take cattle to market, but


I think this is because transporting animals is outside the driving
hours legislation.

>you may need one if you are moving hay/straw/haylege etc.


Tacho but not operators licence if you are the occupier of the land
the crop is going to or from AIUI. Mind this is open to interpretation
as a big user of Fastracs has just found out.

AJH
 
In message <[email protected]>
[email protected] wrote:

> On Fri, 20 May 2005 08:06:02 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> The only other thing are you using it for commercial purposes ? if so you
> >> will need a tachograph !
> >>

> >
> >That depends on how you use it. It you were (for example) taking a
> >mini-digger to a site, using it for your work, and then taking it
> >back to base/next job then no tacho is required. If you drop the
> >digger off then go somewhere else and return later to pick it up
> >then you do need a tacho.

>
> Is this under the bit about carrying tools necessary for work? I've
> never really been sure about this when towing my small tractor.
>
> >What happens if you privately own the trailer and move things around
> >for yourself is anybodys guess. The above info came from (I think)
> >the FSB news letter - and the gist of the article was the whole

>
> FSB?


Federation Of Small Businesses - a must in my book for small businesses
with free legal cover, monthly updates on the latest raft of daft
legislation etc etc. A very useful tool when having a dispute with
the Inland Revenue, large firms etc etc.
>
> >area (unless you are a plant-hire firm or something) is completely
> >clouded, foggy and has poor visibility. You don't (apparently) need
> >a tacho for a horse trailer as it's assumed you are moving your
> >own horse(s),

>
> Yes private use is exempt from operator's license or tacho.
>
> >and you don't need one to take cattle to market, but

>
> I think this is because transporting animals is outside the driving
> hours legislation.
>
> >you may need one if you are moving hay/straw/haylege etc.

>
> Tacho but not operators licence if you are the occupier of the land
> the crop is going to or from AIUI. Mind this is open to interpretation
> as a big user of Fastracs has just found out.
>
> AJH


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In message <739966e4d%[email protected]>, beamendsltd
<[email protected]> writes



>Ifor Williams do a three-axle trailer that will take a 110 - they
>are perfect for the job.


The tri axle Ifor is a tad over engineered for a 110. It was built for
farmers and machinery dealers who seriously overload their trailers on a
regular basis.

I use the CT166 which is a 2 axle 3,500kg tiltbed. It is excellent.


Really would recommend.

Be very wary of any second hand trailer.

A friend of mine recently sold his 17 year old Ifor on ebay listing it
needing work...and it needed brakes, tyres, floor etc. He got 200 quid
less than he paid for it 17 years ago.

If you can run to it get e new one.

--
Marc Draper
 

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 20 May 2005 08:06:02 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Yes private use is exempt from operator's license or tacho.
>
>>and you don't need one to take cattle to market, but

>
> I think this is because transporting animals is outside the driving
> hours legislation.


It is because agriculture is exempt but a haulage contractor that hires for
reward is not exempt even when carrying livestock.


>
>>you may need one if you are moving hay/straw/haylege etc.

>
> Tacho but not operators licence if you are the occupier of the land
> the crop is going to or from AIUI. Mind this is open to interpretation
> as a big user of Fastracs has just found out.
>
>


No tacho, operators license or plating/testing is needed by the farmer
transporting hay etc. as agriculture is exempt. However if the stuff is
moved from one business to another by a third party then that third party is
deemed to be doing the job for reward and is not exempt.
A private householder can shift anything for his own use up to the vehicle
towing limit while being exempt in the same way as agriculture.

Huw


 

"Marc Draper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In message <739966e4d%[email protected]>, beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> writes
>
>
>
>>Ifor Williams do a three-axle trailer that will take a 110 - they
>>are perfect for the job.

>
> The tri axle Ifor is a tad over engineered for a 110. It was built for
> farmers and machinery dealers who seriously overload their trailers on a
> regular basis.
>


I regularly tow both a twin and a triple 16ft Ifor Williams. The twin tows
better at higher load weights and I would never bother or go to the expense
of purchasing another triple.

Huw


 
On Sat, 21 May 2005 21:52:49 +0100, "Huw"
<hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...


>> I think this is because transporting animals is outside the driving
>> hours legislation.

>
>It is because agriculture is exempt but a haulage contractor that hires for
>reward is not exempt even when carrying livestock.


No, whilst agricultural use is exempt under EU legislation, ratified
by HMG, the community driver's hours and recording equipment exempts
*all* carrying of animal waste or carcasses unfit for human
consumption and all carriage of animals from farm to local market or
onward to slaughterhouse.

I was interested in the bit about moving machines for non agricultural
uses. Which may come under UK legislation for drivers hours (keeping
of records) regs.

AJH
 
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