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Kieran Turner

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• Feb 15, 2005

• #1

Oh well.

That's all I can say. Not having a garage or driveway just now, I've put the
Disco in to a garage for a full service. I was expecting an extra bill for
replacing the clutch cylinders, but thought everything else was in
reasonable order - especially the little things like brakes... it's just
passed an MoT!

I'm very glad to have found a garage I trust, and I have no argument about
this stuff being needed. But I wasn't expecting:
- new rear brake discs
- new lift pump
- fix leaking vacuum pump
- sort seals on output shafts
- sort seals on hubs

Yipes. Better to have everything done, of course... but I'm embarassed I
hadn't even been expecting these things.

So, just for fun... here's my question for the group; what's the most
alarming and unexpected thing anybody's ever had to fix or have fixed, that
you didn't notice yourself?

K

 

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Raoul Donschachner

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• Feb 15, 2005

• #2

Kieran Turner <[email protected]> wrote:

> So, just for fun... here's my question for the group; what's the most
> alarming and unexpected thing anybody's ever had to fix or have fixed, that
> you didn't notice yourself?

I sometimes bought a Range 3.9 and had to invest nearly 8k EUR to have
it in a reasonable condition.

Since then I expect the unexpected

Raoul
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Erik-Jan Geniets

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• Feb 15, 2005

• #3

"Mr.Nice." wrote:

> www.4x4info.info

Hi Mark,
Didn't notice this site before, a lot of good info.
Can you tell me if there is a real difference between the 200 and 300
TDI engine or is it just an upgrade. All the specs look the same to me.
Kind regards,
Erik-Jan.


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Andrew Renshaw

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• Feb 15, 2005

• #4

The 200TDI is brilliant - never had any problems with the engine whatsoever.

A

P.S. Worst thing ever - didn't happen to me but a motorist I helped, here
goes.

Natwich near Crewe, U.K. 5:30 p.m. dark winters night, Volkswagen Golf
driven by a gorgeous Brunette who was a solicitor, a woman.

I stopped and asked what was wrong:-

"The engine has just stopped and wont turn over" She replied.

I turned the key nothing. All the lights worked though. I checked the
coolant - no problem, oil cap - no problem, checked the dipstick - NO OIL. I
said there was no oil. She agreed , she said:-

"Yeah two weeks ago I banged the sump on a friends driveway and damaged the
bolt in the sump and so managed to get it off and was going to show it to
the garage at the next service in a weeks time and ask then to put a new one
on."

I gulped and said, "Did no oil come out?"

"Oh yes, but I let it run onto the grass on my driveway."

I said "the engine was sezed and probably dead, how long had she run it", I
aksed,

"For two weeks, every day", she replied. All credit to the Golf it survived
for two weeks. I offered her a lift home and felt very sad for her.

A


"Mr.Nice." <markvarleyphoto@*nospam*softhome.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:56:05 +0100, Erik-Jan Geniets
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Mr.Nice." wrote:
>>
>>> www.4x4info.info
>>
>>Hi Mark,
>>Didn't notice this site before, a lot of good info.
>>Can you tell me if there is a real difference between the 200 and 300
>>TDI engine or is it just an upgrade. All the specs look the same to me.
>>Kind regards,
>>Erik-Jan.
>
> I've only just uploaded that site a week or so ago, I need to set down
> and write a load of articles and such to beef it out a bit and then
> I'll launch it properly.
>
> As I understand it the 300 tdi is supposed to be a more refined
> 200tdi, however the power figures are the same and most folk I know
> don't rate one above the other.
>
>
> Regards.
> Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
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Hirsty's

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• Feb 15, 2005

• #5

> I gulped and said, "Did no oil come out?"
>
> "Oh yes, but I let it run onto the grass on my driveway."
>
> I said "the engine was sezed and probably dead, how long had she run it",
I
> aksed,
>
> "For two weeks, every day", she replied. All credit to the Golf it
survived
> for two weeks. I offered her a lift home and felt very sad for her.

>

Reminds me of a nurse I knew in Chester ( trainee midwife actually ), Fiat
500, decided it was low on oil so filled it to brim ( the filler cap part )
and screwed back the cap. Wondered why it packed soon after ??

Never did find out if she was any good at deliveries !!

 

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Erik-Jan Geniets

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• Feb 15, 2005

• #6

"Mr.Nice." wrote:

>
> As I understand it the 300 tdi is supposed to be a more refined
> 200tdi, however the power figures are the same and most folk I know
> don't rate one above the other.

Haven't seen those yet. So what I mean is are they alike or is it a
completely new developped engine with the same specs.
Is it hard to distinguish one from the other...
Kind regards,
Erik-Jan.

 

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Hirsty's

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• Feb 15, 2005

• #7

> >
> > As I understand it the 300 tdi is supposed to be a more refined
> > 200tdi, however the power figures are the same and most folk I know
> > don't rate one above the other.
>
> Haven't seen those yet. So what I mean is are they alike or is it a
> completely new developped engine with the same specs.
> Is it hard to distinguish one from the other...
> Kind regards,
> Erik-Jan.

300 is simply an upgraded 200, some people reckon the 300 relates to the
output but this is not true. Basic engine based on an old Leyland design
which also found its way into London Taxis and as such is well tried and
tested.
Not sure of visible difference but apparently they can be told apart by the
look of the top of the engine ???

 

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Tim Hobbs

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• Feb 16, 2005

• #8

>So, just for fun... here's my question for the group; what's the most
>alarming and unexpected thing anybody's ever had to fix or have fixed, that
>you didn't notice yourself?
>
> K
>

I put the Series 2 into a local specialist for a new rear crossmember.
A day's work, no dramas....

Two weeks, two grand and a lot of searching for a bulkhead later I had
a complete rebuild on galvanised chassis.

The immortal diagnosis was... "If it were an 'orse I'd shoot it"


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steve

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• Feb 16, 2005

• #9

Mr.Nice. wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:52:15 GMT, "Hirsty's" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>>As I understand it the 300 tdi is supposed to be a more refined
>>>>200tdi, however the power figures are the same and most folk I know
>>>>don't rate one above the other.
>>>
>>>Haven't seen those yet. So what I mean is are they alike or is it a
>>>completely new developped engine with the same specs.
>>>Is it hard to distinguish one from the other...
>>>Kind regards,
>>>Erik-Jan.
>>
>>300 is simply an upgraded 200, some people reckon the 300 relates to the
>>output but this is not true. Basic engine based on an old Leyland design
>>which also found its way into London Taxis and as such is well tried and
>>tested.
>>Not sure of visible difference but apparently they can be told apart by the
>>look of the top of the engine ???
>>
>>
>
>
> The 300 tdi has a big black rubber thingy sitting atop the engine,
> however this can be removed and can be fitted to a 200tdi so it's not
> conclusive identity. I think some of the ancilleries are in different
> places, I don't have the details but soneone here will.
>
>
> Regards.
> Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
hi folks, as I understand it the 200tdi uses an assortment of different
drive belts for power steering,alternator etc whereas the 300tdi has one
belt for the lot....200tdi uses old style v belts and pulleys, 300tdi
uses multi grooved pulleys and belt....
hope this is of use, cheers, Steve

 

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Paul - xxx

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• Feb 16, 2005

• #10

steve composed the following;:

> hi folks, as I understand it the 200tdi uses an assortment of different
> drive belts for power steering,alternator etc whereas the 300tdi has one
> belt for the lot....200tdi uses old style v belts and pulleys, 300tdi
> uses multi grooved pulleys and belt....
> hope this is of use, cheers, Steve

wotesed ... The serpentine belt is the most reliable method of telling
them apart, I am reliably informed.

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beamendsltd

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• Feb 16, 2005

• #11

In message <[email protected]>
Mr.Nice. <markvarleyphoto@*nospam*softhome.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:52:15 GMT, "Hirsty's" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >> >
> >> > As I understand it the 300 tdi is supposed to be a more refined
> >> > 200tdi, however the power figures are the same and most folk I know
> >> > don't rate one above the other.
> >>
> >> Haven't seen those yet. So what I mean is are they alike or is it a
> >> completely new developped engine with the same specs.
> >> Is it hard to distinguish one from the other...
> >> Kind regards,
> >> Erik-Jan.
> >
> >300 is simply an upgraded 200, some people reckon the 300 relates to the
> >output but this is not true. Basic engine based on an old Leyland design
> >which also found its way into London Taxis and as such is well tried and
> >tested.
> >Not sure of visible difference but apparently they can be told apart by the
> >look of the top of the engine ???
> >
> >
>
> The 300 tdi has a big black rubber thingy sitting atop the engine,
> however this can be removed and can be fitted to a 200tdi so it's not
> conclusive identity. I think some of the ancilleries are in different
> places, I don't have the details but soneone here will.
>
>
> Regards.
> Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)

The 300Tdi has a completely different timing case and manifolds.
When it was launched journalists claimed a 10% power and torque
increase (though LR never did, as far as I remember).

The timing case changes were to accomodate the serpantine belt system,
then considered a Good Thing. The manifold changes were to reduce
the puff of black smoke on start-up (partially successful), and
more importantly, to get better top-end power. This was acheived,
and LR won a Queens Award For Tecnological Acheivement for
producing a diesel engine which maintained it's low speed torque
while gaining top end power (probably where the 10% figure above
came from).

Apart from those changes, the fundamental design was the same
as the 2.25 diesel from 1958(ish) - which just goes to show
hoe good that design was in its day.

The Td5 still uses some components present in the original
engine!

So if you need to ID a 200/300Tdi engine look for the serpantine
belt!

Richard


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/\\/ / & E

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• Feb 21, 2005

• #12

"Andrew Renshaw" <andrew.hart.i hate [email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The 200TDI is brilliant - never had any problems with the engine
> whatsoever.
>
> A
>
> P.S. Worst thing ever - didn't happen to me but a motorist I helped, here
> goes.
>
> Natwich near Crewe, U.K. 5:30 p.m. dark winters night, Volkswagen Golf
> driven by a gorgeous Brunette who was a solicitor, a woman.
>
> I stopped and asked what was wrong:-
>
> "The engine has just stopped and wont turn over" She replied.
>
> I turned the key nothing. All the lights worked though. I checked the
> coolant - no problem, oil cap - no problem, checked the dipstick - NO OIL.
> I said there was no oil. She agreed , she said:-
>
> "Yeah two weeks ago I banged the sump on a friends driveway and damaged
> the bolt in the sump and so managed to get it off and was going to show it
> to the garage at the next service in a weeks time and ask then to put a
> new one on."
>
> I gulped and said, "Did no oil come out?"
>
> "Oh yes, but I let it run onto the grass on my driveway."
>
> I said "the engine was sezed and probably dead, how long had she run it",
> I aksed,
>
> "For two weeks, every day", she replied. All credit to the Golf it
> survived for two weeks. I offered her a lift home and felt very sad for
> her.
>
> A

I once did a run to Oxford & back in a my Mk2 Golf Gti 16v & unknown to me
the oil pressure switch was ****ing oil all under the car. I checked oil at
home to find none at all. I had driven 270 miles with no oil & it was fine!
I'll bet that car never rusts underneath, it was plastered with oil
!

Nige

 

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Peter R.

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• Feb 21, 2005

• #13

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:59:51 -0000, "/\\/ / & E"
<nigel.ince****[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Andrew Renshaw" <andrew.hart.i hate [email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> The 200TDI is brilliant - never had any problems with the engine
>> whatsoever.
>>
>> A
>>
>> P.S. Worst thing ever - didn't happen to me but a motorist I helped, here
>> goes.
>>
>> Natwich near Crewe, U.K. 5:30 p.m. dark winters night, Volkswagen Golf
>> driven by a gorgeous Brunette who was a solicitor, a woman.
>>
>> I stopped and asked what was wrong:-
>>
>> "The engine has just stopped and wont turn over" She replied.
>>
>> I turned the key nothing. All the lights worked though. I checked the
>> coolant - no problem, oil cap - no problem, checked the dipstick - NO OIL.
>> I said there was no oil. She agreed , she said:-
>>
>> "Yeah two weeks ago I banged the sump on a friends driveway and damaged
>> the bolt in the sump and so managed to get it off and was going to show it
>> to the garage at the next service in a weeks time and ask then to put a
>> new one on."
>>
>> I gulped and said, "Did no oil come out?"
>>
>> "Oh yes, but I let it run onto the grass on my driveway."
>>
>> I said "the engine was sezed and probably dead, how long had she run it",
>> I aksed,
>>
>> "For two weeks, every day", she replied. All credit to the Golf it
>> survived for two weeks. I offered her a lift home and felt very sad for
>> her.
>>
>> A
>
>I once did a run to Oxford & back in a my Mk2 Golf Gti 16v & unknown to me
>the oil pressure switch was ****ing oil all under the car. I checked oil at
>home to find none at all. I had driven 270 miles with no oil & it was fine!
>I'll bet that car never rusts underneath, it was plastered with oil
>!
>
>Nige
>

Maybe she could sue herself for not being a blonde.

Peter R.