Series tyres / rims, tubeless or not?

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Austin Shackles wrote:

> Whoever made the comment about tubeless tyres is also right up to a point -
> tubeless tyres have a sealing bit around the edge of the bead, and some have
> internal ridges which can wear through the tube. Mind, I've seen 'em marked
> "tubeless" and then "on tube-type rim, use inner tube".

With plenty of talc there isn't normally a problem with wearing holes in
the inner tube - pretty much all light truck tyres are the tubeless type
nowdays but anything with split rims has to run them with a tube and
punctures don't seem any more frequent.

--
EMB
 
On or around Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:15:30 +1200, EMB <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> bummer about the partner. Don't overdo the scotch, you'll regret it in the
>> morning :)
>
>Thanks Austin. And I didn't overdo it - I was just unwinding at the end
>of what had been a fairly arduous day. This morning the sun is shining,
>there isn't a cloud in the sky and winter appears to have left us at
>least for a while.

yer tempting me. This country and especially the PtB are getting
increasingly naff.

Mind, I've no doubt EnnZed has PtB as well..
--
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"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"
George Orwell (1903 - 1950) Animal Farm
 
On or around Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:18:30 +1200, EMB <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>> Tubeless rims also normally have a ridge around the inside,
>> where the tyre bead seats, I think this is supposed to make the tyre
>> unseating slightly less likely, in the event of a deflation. Chances are,
>> it doesn't work.
>
>It works resonabley well - yess they fall of if driven totally flat, but
> without the ridge they fall off when the pressure gets much below
>about 15psi (voice of experience here - I had a play with some tubeless
>205R16's on a set of SWB rims a while back just to see what would happen).

chap in the filling station ran his toy 4x4 obliquely into their
2-brick-high retaining wall around the flower bed alongside the road, in the
course of misjudging his parking. Neatly demounted his tubeless front tyre,
with a loud fwushh noise. I was most restrained, I didn't laugh a bit until
I'd pulled away and he couldn't see me.

I've seen it done on a kerbstone on the pavement by a little car once, too.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"
George Orwell (1903 - 1950) Animal Farm
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

> yer tempting me. This country and especially the PtB are getting
> increasingly naff.
>
> Mind, I've no doubt EnnZed has PtB as well..

Election on the 17th Sept so they're all telling lies and making
promises that they won't keep as quickly as they can. The incumbent
Labour crowd have just launched a vote buying policy whereby people with
kids earning anything up to about twice the average income will pay naff
all tax. Unfortunately we earn far too much and only have one child so
there's no change for us - but the alternatives to vote for will cut
taxes right back and bring in a scadload of user pays charges. So I'm
understandably a bit disenchanted with the PtB both at present and the
potential future ones.

IMO it's still a pretty good place to live, and whilst I'm bleating
about petrol costing $1.40 (about 55p) a litre I'm still glad I'm not
paying UK prices. My dad's currently holidaying somewhere near you and
from what he's said the cost of living in the UK is a lot higher than it
is here. Come for a visit if you want - there'll always be somewhere
for you to stay.


--
EMB
 
Hi,
I run the old s1 disco steel wheels on my S3 SWB with 235 All
Terrains, and have had no problems. I prefer these wheels and tyres as
I can use them on a number of vehicles and they work well on road and
off road.

For off road work where tyres need to be run at lower pressures, there
is a body of thought that says that tubless are better. Tubed tyres,
at lower pressures have "heat generated" punctures or blow outs. For
desert work I always carry a spare tyre or 2 as it is relatively easy
to replace a tubeless tyre.

Being a modern wheel, it is much thicker and I have therefore fitted
the extension wheel studs from Zeus Engineering (Exeter). This gives
an extra 12 mm of length and increases the options re available wheels
that can be used on the Series vehicles.

If you have an early series vehicle check if you have the non metric
studs (9/16 ") as oppossed to the later 16 mm studs.

Cheers

Phillip


On 17 Aug 2005 16:15:22 -0700, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I wouldn't recommend using Wolf rims on a series, I believe you would
>find that the studs aren't long enough to even pull flush to the wheel
>nut. My experiance anyway with Wolf rims on a late 80's 110. New
>studs are rather steep at around ten pounds each....
>
>Regards
>
>William MacLeod

 
On or around Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:00:12 +1000, Phillip Simpson
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>For off road work where tyres need to be run at lower pressures, there
>is a body of thought that says that tubless are better. Tubed tyres,
>at lower pressures have "heat generated" punctures or blow outs. For
>desert work I always carry a spare tyre or 2 as it is relatively easy
>to replace a tubeless tyre.

only if you have a compressor, IME. or did you mean "tubed"? Tubeless ones
are sometimes a bastard to get off the bead and often won't go back on
without a good air supply, sometimes require the valve core removed to get
extra airflow.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"My centre is giving way, my right is in retreat; situation excellent.
I shall attack. - Marshal Foch (1851 - 1929)
 
On or around Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:05:08 +1200, EMB <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> yer tempting me. This country and especially the PtB are getting
>> increasingly naff.
>>
>> Mind, I've no doubt EnnZed has PtB as well..
>
>Election on the 17th Sept so they're all telling lies and making
>promises that they won't keep as quickly as they can. The incumbent
>Labour crowd have just launched a vote buying policy whereby people with
>kids earning anything up to about twice the average income will pay naff
>all tax.

Our lot keep doing that sort of thing, too - of course, if you're like me,
single and no kids, there's sod-all on offer.

>IMO it's still a pretty good place to live, and whilst I'm bleating
>about petrol costing $1.40 (about 55p) a litre I'm still glad I'm not
>paying UK prices. My dad's currently holidaying somewhere near you and
>from what he's said the cost of living in the UK is a lot higher than it
>is here. Come for a visit if you want - there'll always be somewhere
>for you to stay.

hehe. small matter of finding the fare... I don't think you can still work
your passage on a tramp steamer...
--
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Confidence: Before important work meetings, boost your confidence by
reading a few pages from "The Tibetan Book of the Dead"
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:05:08 +1200, EMB <[email protected]>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Austin Shackles wrote:
>>
>>> yer tempting me. This country and especially the PtB are getting
>>> increasingly naff.
>>>
>>> Mind, I've no doubt EnnZed has PtB as well..
>>
>>Election on the 17th Sept so they're all telling lies and making
>>promises that they won't keep as quickly as they can. The incumbent
>>Labour crowd have just launched a vote buying policy whereby people with
>>kids earning anything up to about twice the average income will pay naff
>>all tax.
>
> Our lot keep doing that sort of thing, too - of course, if you're like me,
> single and no kids, there's sod-all on offer.
>
>>IMO it's still a pretty good place to live, and whilst I'm bleating
>>about petrol costing $1.40 (about 55p) a litre I'm still glad I'm not
>>paying UK prices. My dad's currently holidaying somewhere near you and
>>from what he's said the cost of living in the UK is a lot higher than it
>>is here. Come for a visit if you want - there'll always be somewhere
>>for you to stay.
>
> hehe. small matter of finding the fare... I don't think you can still
> work your passage on a tramp steamer...

Actually, I think if you have the right skills you can - I believe such
berths are always available for qualified medical practitioners! Possibly
marine radio operators as well.
JD
 
In message <[email protected]>
JD <[email protected]> wrote:

> Austin Shackles wrote:
>
> > On or around Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:05:08 +1200, EMB <[email protected]>
> > enlightened us thusly:
> >
> >>Austin Shackles wrote:
> >>
> >>> yer tempting me. This country and especially the PtB are getting
> >>> increasingly naff.
> >>>
> >>> Mind, I've no doubt EnnZed has PtB as well..
> >>
> >>Election on the 17th Sept so they're all telling lies and making
> >>promises that they won't keep as quickly as they can. The incumbent
> >>Labour crowd have just launched a vote buying policy whereby people with
> >>kids earning anything up to about twice the average income will pay naff
> >>all tax.
> >
> > Our lot keep doing that sort of thing, too - of course, if you're like me,
> > single and no kids, there's sod-all on offer.
> >
> >>IMO it's still a pretty good place to live, and whilst I'm bleating
> >>about petrol costing $1.40 (about 55p) a litre I'm still glad I'm not
> >>paying UK prices. My dad's currently holidaying somewhere near you and
> >>from what he's said the cost of living in the UK is a lot higher than it
> >>is here. Come for a visit if you want - there'll always be somewhere
> >>for you to stay.
> >
> > hehe. small matter of finding the fare... I don't think you can still
> > work your passage on a tramp steamer...
>
> Actually, I think if you have the right skills you can - I believe such
> berths are always available for qualified medical practitioners! Possibly
> marine radio operators as well.
> JD

There was an item on breakfast TV saying that Austrailia is looking
for 20,000 skilled immigrants.

They also had an item about prison over-crowding.


And they did it with straight faces........ ;-)

Richard
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Hi Austin,
for most of the people I travel with, a compressor is standard
equipment on their vehicles so not such a problem. On a serious trip
we always have a bead breaker or similar.

To address problems of capacity when refitting tubeless tyres there
are a number of various bush techniques that can be used. These range
from using over inflated spare tyre through to onboard air reservoirs
built into rock sliders etc etc.

Cheers

Phillip


On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:16:08 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On or around Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:00:12 +1000, Phillip Simpson
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>For off road work where tyres need to be run at lower pressures, there
>>is a body of thought that says that tubless are better. Tubed tyres,
>>at lower pressures have "heat generated" punctures or blow outs. For
>>desert work I always carry a spare tyre or 2 as it is relatively easy
>>to replace a tubeless tyre.
>
>only if you have a compressor, IME. or did you mean "tubed"? Tubeless ones
>are sometimes a bastard to get off the bead and often won't go back on
>without a good air supply, sometimes require the valve core removed to get
>extra airflow.

 
In message <[email protected]>
Phillip Simpson <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Austin,
> for most of the people I travel with, a compressor is standard
> equipment on their vehicles so not such a problem. On a serious trip
> we always have a bead breaker or similar.
>
> To address problems of capacity when refitting tubeless tyres there
> are a number of various bush techniques that can be used. These range
> from using over inflated spare tyre through to onboard air reservoirs
> built into rock sliders etc etc.
>
> Cheers
>
> Phillip
>

or, for the totally derranged, lighter fuel......... (don't try this
one at home kids).

Richard

>
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:16:08 +0100, Austin Shackles
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On or around Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:00:12 +1000, Phillip Simpson
> ><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> >
> >>For off road work where tyres need to be run at lower pressures, there
> >>is a body of thought that says that tubless are better. Tubed tyres,
> >>at lower pressures have "heat generated" punctures or blow outs. For
> >>desert work I always carry a spare tyre or 2 as it is relatively easy
> >>to replace a tubeless tyre.
> >
> >only if you have a compressor, IME. or did you mean "tubed"? Tubeless ones
> >are sometimes a bastard to get off the bead and often won't go back on
> >without a good air supply, sometimes require the valve core removed to get
> >extra airflow.
>

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so ChelseaTractor was, like...
> ...if Wolf rims dont fit the Series 3 studs, any suggestions for cheap
> / used tubeless rims?

Before you dismiss the idea, I have silver modulars on my S2a with standard
S2 studs, and the nuts don't quite come flush with the studs - the studs
ideally would need to be about ¼" longer. However, I have run like this for
about a year now, and I regularly check the wheel tightness, and they seem
to be staying on OK.

--
Rich
==============================
Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)


 
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:16:08 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Tubeless ones
>are sometimes a bastard to get off the bead and often won't go back on
>without a good air supply, sometimes require the valve core removed to get
>extra airflow.

They can be difficult to reseat the bead, a ratchet strap round the
tread normally spreads it enough to make a seal, otherwise use the
icelandic technique with butane :).

AJH

 
beamendsltd wrote:

> In message <[email protected]>
> JD <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Austin Shackles wrote:
>>
>> > On or around Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:05:08 +1200, EMB <[email protected]>
>> > enlightened us thusly:
>> >
>> >>Austin Shackles wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> yer tempting me. This country and especially the PtB are getting
>> >>> increasingly naff.
>> >>>
>> >>> Mind, I've no doubt EnnZed has PtB as well..
>> >>
>> >>Election on the 17th Sept so they're all telling lies and making
>> >>promises that they won't keep as quickly as they can. The incumbent
>> >>Labour crowd have just launched a vote buying policy whereby people
>> >>with kids earning anything up to about twice the average income will
>> >>pay naff all tax.
>> >
>> > Our lot keep doing that sort of thing, too - of course, if you're like
>> > me, single and no kids, there's sod-all on offer.
>> >
>> >>IMO it's still a pretty good place to live, and whilst I'm bleating
>> >>about petrol costing $1.40 (about 55p) a litre I'm still glad I'm not
>> >>paying UK prices. My dad's currently holidaying somewhere near you and
>> >>from what he's said the cost of living in the UK is a lot higher than
>> >>it
>> >>is here. Come for a visit if you want - there'll always be somewhere
>> >>for you to stay.
>> >
>> > hehe. small matter of finding the fare... I don't think you can still
>> > work your passage on a tramp steamer...
>>
>> Actually, I think if you have the right skills you can - I believe such
>> berths are always available for qualified medical practitioners! Possibly
>> marine radio operators as well.
>> JD
>
> There was an item on breakfast TV saying that Austrailia is looking
> for 20,000 skilled immigrants.
>
> They also had an item about prison over-crowding.
>
>
> And they did it with straight faces........ ;-)
>
> Richard

Like many places Australia has for a generation run an interest rate regime
that discourages long term planning, particularly by business, and now they
are finding that savings made by not doing any training or hiring new
graduates are coming home to roost as the 'baby boomers' start to retire.
JD
 
JD wrote:
>
> Like many places Australia has for a generation run an interest rate regime
> that discourages long term planning, particularly by business, and now they
> are finding that savings made by not doing any training or hiring new
> graduates are coming home to roost as the 'baby boomers' start to retire.

And the same is happening on the NZ side of the Tasman too.


--
EMB
 
In message <[email protected]>, EMB <[email protected]> writes



>Based on my experience on what appear to be Wolf rims (not readily
>available here but I have a set that arrived on a vehicle) - If the
>correct inner tube is used (with a TR15 valve) the grommet thing it not
>needed - it is only used to adapt TR13 valves to the 5/8" hole used in
>these rims.
>

Very true EMB

The gommet thing "feral" is only need to convert TR13 Valve stems

Also of interest that standard Defender steel rims are now coming out
of the factory in a welded construction so that they can run tubeless.

All the recent tyre upgrades I have done for my local Main Agent have
come on tubeless steel rims. Which is good news for the series boys.

Although on my Defenders I run tubes as am fed up with the tyres coming
off the rims in deep gullies.

--
Marc Draper

www.mdeng.co.uk
 
On or around Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:33:37 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>or, for the totally derranged

.... AKA Icelanders ...

>, lighter fuel......... (don't try this
>one at home kids).
>
>Richard
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
 
On or around Sat, 20 Aug 2005 06:44:18 +1000, JD <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Like many places Australia has for a generation run an interest rate regime
>that discourages long term planning, particularly by business, and now they
>are finding that savings made by not doing any training or hiring new
>graduates are coming home to roost as the 'baby boomers' start to retire.
>JD

seems a lot like this country, to me.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Pereant qui ante nos nostra dixerunt"
(confound the men who have made our remarks before us.)
Aelius Donatus (4th Cent.) [St. Jerome, Commentary on Ecclesiastes]
 
On or around Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:50:51 +1200, EMB <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>JD wrote:
>>
>> Like many places Australia has for a generation run an interest rate regime
>> that discourages long term planning, particularly by business, and now they
>> are finding that savings made by not doing any training or hiring new
>> graduates are coming home to roost as the 'baby boomers' start to retire.
>
>And the same is happening on the NZ side of the Tasman too.

trouble is, they declaim that there are no skilled people, yet are only
interested in hiring people with paper qualifications *and* several years
experience.

I could, for example, do pretty much any classical mechanicing and I could
soon learn the modern electronic stuff given the opportunity. But no bugger
would employ me, 'cos I've not got the bits of paper.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Pereant qui ante nos nostra dixerunt"
(confound the men who have made our remarks before us.)
Aelius Donatus (4th Cent.) [St. Jerome, Commentary on Ecclesiastes]
 

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On or around Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:50:51 +1200, EMB <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>JD wrote:
>>
>> Like many places Australia has for a generation run an interest rate
>> regime
>> that discourages long term planning, particularly by business, and now
>> they
>> are finding that savings made by not doing any training or hiring new
>> graduates are coming home to roost as the 'baby boomers' start to retire.
>
>And the same is happening on the NZ side of the Tasman too.

trouble is, they declaim that there are no skilled people, yet are only
interested in hiring people with paper qualifications *and* several years
experience.

I could, for example, do pretty much any classical mechanicing and I could
soon learn the modern electronic stuff given the opportunity. But no bugger
would employ me, 'cos I've not got the bits of paper.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Pereant qui ante nos nostra dixerunt"
(confound the men who have made our remarks before us.)
Aelius Donatus (4th Cent.) [St. Jerome, Commentary on Ecclesiastes]



Well, I've got lots of bits of paper (trade & academic), lots of experience,
but at 57 & a widow no one wants to employ me as "you will want to retire
soon". How's that going to pay my bills??

Karen - aka one of the un-counted unemployed in Oz.


 
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